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The Joker would've had a bigger role. The plot would've probably been very different
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That's the best explanation of his role I've seen. A lot of people are acting like he was the inequivalent of Bane in Batman & Robin or something.
to compound my disappointment with tdkr, when you think of it...tdkr bane is no better than b&r bane....sure nolan gave him some semi-intelligent and semi-inaudible lines but ...
both are just muscleman for the real female villains
bane need a convenient note to know the identity of batman and harvey
bane pussying out once he saw the bat sign
bane getting ass pounded by old batman with the power of pushups and chinups who was recovering from a broken back
bane balls shrinking when batman does his bat voice interrogation
bane does theface because he never got out of the pit
bane tearing like a puppy in front of talia
bane masterplan of letting gotham citizens tear themselves down in despair failed...because most of them just locked themselves in doors out from the cold... lulz
bane is also probably a depraved pedobear...
These complaints are mostly absurd.
CosmicGroinPull
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When Selina looked at Batman after they landed the Bat and said "When Bruce Wayne said he had a powerful friend he wasn't kidding..." there was lust in her eyes. *MEOW*
Uh, needed a note to know the identity of Batman and Harvey? That doesn't even make sense.
Coppertracks
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Saw it last night in imax and LOVED IT!
Hathway as Catwoman was awesome. She really knocked it out of the park. I wish we had seen more of her, or rather she had been in BB/TDK, although it's hard to imagine her character working in either of those.
Alfred had some tear inducing scenes with Wayne, although I disliked how he was absent for the 2nd half of the film. I was surprised he told him about burning the letter.
The reveal of Talia was very well executed. It came late enough in the film that I had discarded any snagging doubts that she was Talia by that point.
Bane was... good. And definitely had presence. He didn't match the Joker but he's certainly up there. Had a few moments where I couldn't understand him.
I liked how Oldman played Gordon as been tired and war weary. The moment where Batman tells him he's Wayne from the jacket scene caused man tears to form in my eyes.
The ending was FANTASTIC. I had goosebumps for the last hour. The audience clapped afterwards (which surprised me, as it is hardly ever done in British cinemas). The temptation to carry on the franchise with JGL is probably strong for WB but I don't really see how it could be done well. (Choice of villian: The Riddler of course if it were to be)
My main criticism would be that the writing/directing in general didn't seem quite as tight as TDK but it matches it overall IMO. And as 3rd parts of Superhero series go, it beats out any other competition easily (Spidey 3, X-Men 3). The (understandable) lack of a mention of the Joker was notable and a little off putting, given how every other villain appeared/was mentioned.
Not sure why people were complaining about Neeson's cameo. Wayne was in masses amounts of pain, underfed and mentally suffering as well. A hallucination is probably quite realistic to suffer from in that circumstance.
I thought Murphy's cameos as Crane were brilliant and hilarious "DEATH!... BY EXILE!"
Hathway as Catwoman was awesome. She really knocked it out of the park. I wish we had seen more of her, or rather she had been in BB/TDK, although it's hard to imagine her character working in either of those.
Alfred had some tear inducing scenes with Wayne, although I disliked how he was absent for the 2nd half of the film. I was surprised he told him about burning the letter.
The reveal of Talia was very well executed. It came late enough in the film that I had discarded any snagging doubts that she was Talia by that point.
Bane was... good. And definitely had presence. He didn't match the Joker but he's certainly up there. Had a few moments where I couldn't understand him.
I liked how Oldman played Gordon as been tired and war weary. The moment where Batman tells him he's Wayne from the jacket scene caused man tears to form in my eyes.
The ending was FANTASTIC. I had goosebumps for the last hour. The audience clapped afterwards (which surprised me, as it is hardly ever done in British cinemas). The temptation to carry on the franchise with JGL is probably strong for WB but I don't really see how it could be done well. (Choice of villian: The Riddler of course if it were to be)
My main criticism would be that the writing/directing in general didn't seem quite as tight as TDK but it matches it overall IMO. And as 3rd parts of Superhero series go, it beats out any other competition easily (Spidey 3, X-Men 3). The (understandable) lack of a mention of the Joker was notable and a little off putting, given how every other villain appeared/was mentioned.
Not sure why people were complaining about Neeson's cameo. Wayne was in masses amounts of pain, underfed and mentally suffering as well. A hallucination is probably quite realistic to suffer from in that circumstance.
I thought Murphy's cameos as Crane were brilliant and hilarious "DEATH!... BY EXILE!"
Messypandas
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Lol that was dumb. They should have played around with some more branching dialogue.
Bruce: Batman wanted me to ask you out
Selina: Well tell your friend it'll take more than to get in my pants
Bruce: He said you'd say that and that he thinks you should reconsider
Selina: Ask him if we can talk about it
Bruce: He said we we are talking about it... not sure what he meant by that
...nice way to put it
But that note didn't reveal to him that batman = bruce. Because Gordon didn't know at that point! He knew because Talia clearly knew since Bruce was her fathers protégée.
This is a complaint you two have that is something that never was part of the movie.
To be fair to Selina Kyle, she just beat up the same guy when she stole his stuff and he couldn't stop her at all. Everyone probably thinks Batman as some invincible creature, so she putting 2 and 2 together is probably not that straightforward at that point.
Plus on why people didn't just figure out Batman is Bruce Wayne when he reappears, that's because Batman disappearing and Bruce Wayne going into recluse was by a few years apart. Well that's half of the argument there at least. People of Gotham are still stupid.
Plus on why people didn't just figure out Batman is Bruce Wayne when he reappears, that's because Batman disappearing and Bruce Wayne going into recluse was by a few years apart. Well that's half of the argument there at least. People of Gotham are still stupid.
Yeah he definitely deserves prop for being so awesome with such a tiny role. Crane was superior to Bane :/
beelzebozo
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my complaint isn't the logic of the note. it's the image of this croaky voice character conveniently handing us the plot by reading us a piece of paper on television, and a piece of paper that so far as i can tell anyone in the city would have no reason to believe was actually written by jim gordon.
surely you can't have thought this was a powerful scene.
agree, completely. crane was actually pretty amusing in his little cameo.
First of all, the statement is completely wrong, you quoting a wrong statement doesn't help your argument.
Also, he was speaking to the prisoners to motivate them. Easy crowd to convince. Also, one could argue that Gordon had been shown on the press trying to read a prepared speech then shelving it into his coat. It doesn't take a leap of faith man.
TheChewyWaffles
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Saw it last night and I'd put this dreck squarely behind BB and TDK. It's meandering, in badly need of some editing to pair down the needless scenes, and basically feels like what would have happened to the third installment if Nolan had departed and Michael Bay took over. And what the royal fuck is up with the score??? So bombastic that I felt it was trying to create energy in the film where there was none.
Messypandas
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There really something to be said in the nature Batman revealed his identity to Gordon it's really stacking up to be my favourite moment in the film. From all their encounters, Bruce connected with one moment that revealed the profound humanity that Gordon displayed. Nolan really did justice to these characters without the need for gratutious sentimentality: "You proved to someone, by putting your coat around that the world hadn't really ended."
Yea totally agree
SonicMegaDrive
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Nah.
There's space between good(The Dark Knight) and bad(Transformers), I assure you. Lots of it.
Officerrob
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So in the past 50 posts we have someone saying TDKR Bane is no better than B&R Bane and another saying the film feels like it was directed by Michael Bay, GAF never disappoints.
soundscream
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She is wearing them at the table at the end.
Yup. Sleepy and making mistakes early in the morning here.
Oh, she was? Didn't notice that. Chalk one up for Bruce Wayne completely falling for her.
So...are we suppose to blame him or not?
I have a LOT of reservations about it, but I think the Star Wars OT analogy is probably the most fitting of any analogy that could be made to another trilogy. Now, it isn't a perfect analogy by any means. For starters, in Star Wars, 2 > 1 > 3 (fuck the prequels, 1 is ANH, 2 is ESB, 3 is ROTJ), and I don't feel Batman followed that path in quality.
But where I DO like the analogy is in directly comparing the films:
- BB is ANH. The original film. Contains all the charm, characters and development that makes us fall in love with the franchise. In retrospect after the other two films, it seems small in scope and ambition. But none of that stops it from being an absolute classic still considered by many the best in the series.
- TDK is ESB. Much grander in scope and delves into much darker thematic territory and pushes the characters to the brink. Features an ominous downer cliffhanger ending. Also considered by many to be the best in the series.
- TDKR is ROTJ. The victory lap that ties the trilogy together, redeems the heroes, and lets everyone ride off into the sunset. There are no Ewoks here, but one could say that the BB/TDK callbacks and some of the plot convolutions had a similar effect.
But where I DO like the analogy is in directly comparing the films:
- BB is ANH. The original film. Contains all the charm, characters and development that makes us fall in love with the franchise. In retrospect after the other two films, it seems small in scope and ambition. But none of that stops it from being an absolute classic still considered by many the best in the series.
- TDK is ESB. Much grander in scope and delves into much darker thematic territory and pushes the characters to the brink. Features an ominous downer cliffhanger ending. Also considered by many to be the best in the series.
- TDKR is ROTJ. The victory lap that ties the trilogy together, redeems the heroes, and lets everyone ride off into the sunset. There are no Ewoks here, but one could say that the BB/TDK callbacks and some of the plot convolutions had a similar effect.
TheChewyWaffles
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No, more like it was brash, obnoxious, bloated, and lacked any of the subtlety that Nolan's previous two entries into the series had.
who was that crook with the funny eyes who got "exiled" first, ircl he was the one who was doing the fingerprints deal with selina near the beggining
was he just a standard bad guy or was he meant to nod to "The Calculator" character? i remember him mentioning calculations in one scene and thinking it may have been a reference like the killer croc reference from the sewers
(still a batman semi noob)
was he just a standard bad guy or was he meant to nod to "The Calculator" character? i remember him mentioning calculations in one scene and thinking it may have been a reference like the killer croc reference from the sewers
(still a batman semi noob)
His name is Phillip or Peter Stryver. I think he's an original character, I forgot what he said his position was at Daggett's company.
This comparison is very apt and I agree 100%. It is also interesting to compare when Nolan is a self-admitted huge fan of Star Wars.
I get the impression Nolan was using his Batman trilogy to fulfill two childhood filmmaking wishes he always had, to make a James Bond movie and to do a Star Wars style trilogy (no kids he isn't going to ever direct a Bond movie). A real trilogy in the 70's/80's sense of Star Wars, Indiana Jones, BTTF..etc but especially Star Wars. A lot of the style and shall we say "cheese" of his films are heavily James Bondish in style more so than comic book like as is the case in the Marvel movies, and his three films has a very original series Star Wars trilogy vibe to it.
Could you imagine if it were to come out in a few years that Lucas was Nolan's secret advisor on these?
:lol
I wouldn't say so.
The Bay comparisons are not too far off base and it pains me to admit it. No way TDKR is Revenge of the fallen bad though.
Bruce left them for Robin in his will. Which is how Robin also knew Bruce was alive. Bruce obviously had planned his escape and amended his will very near to his departure to pass the torch to Robin and to turn Wayne Manor into a boys home.
Messypandas
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hope none of the orphans tinkle the ivories
How do you amend your will after your planned death?
He and Lucas do seem buddy-buddy at that Academy screening q&a of Star Wars a few years ago, as if they have talked to each other a number of times in the past.
Wouldn't really fit with Nolan's stances on 3D and CG usage though
Yep!
Er, what?
Bruce had planned to leave Gotham after defeating Bane. He amended his will to pass the torch to Blake. He defeated Bane and left Gotham as planned. To everyone else he had "died". His will is read and as he wished, Blake gets directions to the Batcave.
Batman died. Bruce could still do stuffs I guess? Maybe he planned to fake his death anyway and the bomb situation was just a good opportunity? Fuzzy logic anyhow.
Remember BATMAN died, it wasn't assumed Bruce died in that blast. Almost no one, especially his lawyers who'd distribute his willed items would think he died that moment. It was assumed he died in the chaos of Bane but it likely took a lot of time for people to figure that out. Other than the 5 who knew he was Bruce of course but they aren't the ones who'd have his will.
If he had time to fix up the bat signal and the like he likely had enough time to go around and get his things in order before disappearing with Kyle. Things were a complete mess after Bane. No one would notice him going in and changing his will.
He must have then amended his will before he got his back broke as there was no time to amend it when he got back. This then creates the issue of why would Wayne trust Blake that early on? I can understand after the events in the finale but before there is generally very little communication between the two before the backsnap except for two vitals scenes(the car ride and at Wayne Manor).
MoonsaultSlayer
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Going back and reading the front page. It's so sad seeing this kind of BS.
Welp mods you know what you must do.
He had time after the explosion. No one would be looking around for Wayne. No one really cared about Wayne at that point. The only people who would care about Wayne knew he was Batman and assumed he died so they wouldn't be looking around for him. To everyone else it would just be likely Wayne died in the Bane aftermath cause a lot of rich people did. The funeral/will scene likely wasn't till months after Batman "died" since Wayne would likely be classified as missing for a long while with everyone else while civilization got back in order. Especially since it was winter when Batman "died" while it wasn't when Blake found the bat cave. Clearly there was a large amount of time after Batman died to the will/funeral scene since it would take a long time for regular people, his lawyers, etc to figure out Wayne was one of the dead.
You gotta separate Wayne from Batman in all of this, because to everyone other than the handful of people Wayne wasn't Batman and could easily go and change his will after Batman died.
Bruce saw himself in Blake. When Blake (unsolicited, lolz) gave him has back story, he was Bruce. Dead parents, the seething rage that permeated through Bruce too. Bruce found a way to liberate himself through Batman and was going to let Blake to the same, which also had the effect of solidifying the notion of Batman being an everlasting symbol.
Like a wise man once told me - there's gotta be a Batman!
longdi
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right my bad, remembered wrongly! but i hate the convenient note part, too much convenience in tdkr. i also hated the cliche villain talks for long before pressing the detonator! and why was batman shooting at an atom bomb?!
also what was the point of bane pouring explosives and blowing up the undergrounds? in the trailers i thought was some plan to build an underground prison for the rich people or something....occupy gotham part was pretty underwhelming.
imo if nolan combined parts of bb and tdkr, get rid of the arm touting mech, bring back ninja LOS, more ras alghul, get rid of the nuclear bomb plot, get rid of Manhattan island, US president and army, bring back my dark gotham, the narrows.. get rid of jgl, stockbroker plot, keep crane, mafia, bane, catwoman and talia, now make that a two parter, could be a great comic hero movie we deserve!
SCULLIBUNDO
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The story was good, the execution of the story (ie: the script by Nolan bros) was what was flawed.
Between this and Salvation, I think it's time to try the jailbird Nolan brother out. Jonah losing his magic.
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