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[Hero_of_the_Day]

If Bruce actually fix the autopilot for The Bat 6 months ago why did he have to go along with it? Can't he stay back?

You do know he didn't stay in it, and lived, right?

 

[echoshifting]

Victory has defeated you.

That's a sweet one liner.

My favorite line, gave me chills

 

[Sanjuro]

Completely unharmed? And I'm not just criticizing the realism of the crash but also how its handled. It was jarring to go from a hooray type moment for Gordon, which I thought was laughable, to a very serious death of a villain based on the same event.

I would imagine whiplash or cracked rib would be the worst case scenario for him.

 

[HIGH DEF JEFF]

When the "new" Batman smell wears off I expect to see a lot of people back away from their praise. Ill give Nolan the same credit I always give him..hes a good idea man. But execution is everything and this movie is such a mess. Hes great at making people not think about what is actually going on because his plot, his story is sandwhiched between money shots and lines that sound cool (born in the shadows is an example).

 

[watershed]

I would imagine whiplash or cracked rib would be the worst case scenario for him.

From that truck crash? I don't buy it for a second. I think there would be blunt force impact damage and maybe cuts from the hard metal. Again, my issue is not just the realism of the scene.

 

[SlowRevolution]

Reading through this thread and



I agree with this, his voice in the prologue sounded much better. It was so loud in the final version that it sounded ridiculous.

I like to think that was Nolan giving the middle finger to everyone who complained about the prologue voice.

 

[Mr. Fix]

Why was Bane losing his shit when Bruce began punching his mask? It was very unlike his character to begin swinging the way he was.

Seeing Bane lose his shit was awesome. Reminded me of Hardy's role in the Warrior.

 

[RedSwirl]

Favorite part of the movie was probably Bane's first fight with Bruce. Didn't think they'd call back to the comic with that one.

 

[DMczaf]

"Light it up" is going to make for an awesome gif for when someone returns from a ban.

It'll probably be for Sculli.

 

[Sanjuro]

From that truck crash? I don't buy it for a second. I think there would be blunt force impact damage and maybe cuts from the hard metal. Again, my issue is not just the realism of the scene.

Seemed pretty standard to and most viewers.

 

[HIGH DEF JEFF]

He wanted people to think he was dead

But if Talia hadnt have flooded that basement thing they would have brought it there. So this idea that his plan was to die a legend doesnt work.

 

[The Chef]

That last nod between Bruce and Alfred was chilling. I was seriously choking back tears. No words are necessary between them. So amazing.

Also, I think I missed what Bane said when they remove the reactor core. He says by his calculations it will blow in 5 months or so. But then Talia is going to detonate it minutes before it actually is going to explode on its own which I found puzzling.
My question is, why the need for the long bomb timer as opposed to them just detonating it right away? Did I miss the reason for that?

 

[L1NETT]

Is there an overall Gaf consensus? Or too early too tell..

Also the end....I am guessing Blake becomes Batman?

So a new one in 2014 with Neil Patrick Harris as the Riddler? Edit:

To make it seem that batman died

Spot on Sir. Spot on.

 

[Defuser]

You do know he didn't stay in it, and lived, right?

I meant is why can't he just set the autopliot in the beginning and chill with Gordon and Catwoman on the ground while The Bat fly away with the bomb but instead he activated it near the end and bail out into the open sea?

 

[watershed]

Seemed pretty standard to and most viewers.

I have no idea how "most viewers" felt about the scene but I was and am only posting my opinion not theirs. It was one of many poorly executed moments in the film.

 

[Gila]

I meant is why can't he just set the autopliot in the beginning and chill with Gordon and Catwoman on the ground while The Bat fly away with the bomb but instead he activated it near the end and bail out into the open sea?

To make it seem that batman died

 

[Sanjuro]

I have no idea how "most viewers" felt about the scene but I was and am only posting my opinion not theirs. It was one of many poorly executed moments in the film.

...and I'm responding why your opinion on this specific topic seems odd.

 

[Mononofu]

I don't see how Bruce getting back into Gotham is bothering people. The guy is after all trained by the league of shadows and not to mention he is the goddamn Batman which he uses darkness and stealth to his advantage. Getting into Gotham should be no problem for Bruce, doesn't really need a additional scene for it.

The film needed to show one transition scene between the prison and Gotham to give the audience a general idea of space and time. Bruce literally pops in and out of two places.

 

[Tekniqs]

that was one of the parts that was like whaaa? cause i think he got out of that pit when it was like "!2 hours left" then all of a sudden, he happenned to find dat cat woman. if I got out that pit and it was 12 hours left, I would have been like "Fuck, I guess gotham is just done." but then again, I am not the GOD DAMN BATMAN

i thought he still had 20 some odd days when he got out of the pit

 

[Grakl]

i thought he still had 20 some odd days when he got out of the pit

Something like that, yeah.

 

[The Chef]

I meant is why can't he just set the autopliot in the beginning and chill with Gordon and Catwoman on the ground while The Bat fly away with the bomb but instead he activated it near the end and bail out into the open sea?

Batman sets auto pilot, bails out right there. He and Catwoman watch it fly off into the sunset. Zoom in on their hands slowly reach for each other. Batman bring Catwoman to his yearning lips as the bomb detonates. Que U2 closing credits.

The point is, the world needed to think he was dead.

 

[JimiNutz]

talia's death was horribly acted, it was so bad that part of me thought she was trying to fake her death

She was!
Blake is going to take the mantle of Batman in the next one (set 10 years in the future) and Damien is going to be Robin! lol

 

[Vyer]

The film needed to show one transition scene between the prison and Gotham to give the audience a general idea of space and time. Bruce literally pops in and out of two places.

meh, I didn't think it needed it at all. Bruce having ways into Gotham should be a given.

Moving from Bruce jumping out the window in the hospital to holding Gordon's hand mid conversation was much more jarring for me.

 

[Defuser]

To make it seem that batman died

But they were gonna bring the bomb to Lucius but Talia prevented it, it doesn't make sense within that few seconds Batman just plans to "die"

 

[Blader]

Thinking about it, everyone assumed that Bane was going to be some "dark reflection" of Bruce, the kind of person he would have become if he had stayed with the League of Shadows. But instead, Talia ended up filling that role. Both corporate magnates, both adopting one persona to hide another, both driven by the deaths of their parents, etc.

Kinda interesting to think about.

 

[watershed]

...and I'm responding why your opinion on this specific topic seems odd.

Because its at odds with how you think most people felt about the scene?

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

I meant is why can't he just set the autopliot in the beginning and chill with Gordon and Catwoman on the ground while The Bat fly away with the bomb but instead he activated it near the end and bail out into the open sea?

How do you know when he activated it and when he bailed out? I don't think I'd go out to sea in the batsuit. I bet it's a bitch to swim in. And he had to be at least six miles away not to be vaporized.

Because its at odds with how you think most people felt about the scene?

Yeah, it's a pretty valid complaint. But, don't you see her abdomen bleeding as if she has been impaled by something? Unless I made that up. Just bad luck on her part.

 

[Blader]

And I have to repeat this, they really fucked up Bane's voice during the prologue. It was SO obviously done through ADR. I really do not like bloggers for their constant complaining for month after month right now. Nolan should have stuck with his guns there.

Fucking this. Easily the worst part of the entire movie. The new line readings were so horrible.

 

[Ape Gone Insane]

But they were gonna bring the bomb to Lucius but Talia prevented it, it doesn't make sense within that few seconds Batman just plans to "die"

It's not the first time Batman has made a quick U-turn decision that has huge long term consequences, see: Dent.

 

[Gray Man]

But they were gonna bring the bomb to Lucius but Talia prevented it, it doesn't make sense within that few seconds, Batman just decides to pretend to die.

My thought process was he wasn't going to trust the damned auto pilot to save the city from a 4 megaton nuclear blast.

Would you?

It just so happened he was able to survive, I thought it was a nice touch to the film to wrap it all up.

Also whats with the "Batman Died" comments? Isn't that way off? Part of this trilogy's theme was the importance of an ideal, you can't kill an idea, that idea is Batman, and they made it clear that Batman will live on. Bruce Wayne is the one who more or less died in this situation. A few of his only friends may know that he COULD still be alive, for all intensive purposes, he is dead.

Bruce Wayne dies, but you can never kill the Batman.

 

[Gila]

But they were gonna bring the bomb to Lucius but Talia prevented it, it doesn't make sense within that few seconds Batman just plans to "die"

That's the point, it was a perfect opportunity then to "destroy" batman. If it wasn't here, he would of done it another way - or he just would probably retired the suit for good. Of course then, Bruce would of had to live too and there would of been a whole different outcome.

What I'm saying is, it just all worked out

e/ What I mean by "Batman Dead" is just Bruce's Batman. It was an everlasting symbol, he set it up so that Blake could take over. Maybe the exact same one Bruce did, maybe nightwing, or whoever the fuck. But Bruce's batman is specifically gone. And another shall RISE

e2/ also what Gray Man said, he simply wanted to save the city then. And he made a choice, he had no time to think what if I do this? He had to save the city.

 

[Gray Man]

Fucking this. Easily the worst part of the entire movie. The new line readings were so horrible.

Can anyone give me an idea of what his voice sounded like originally?

 

[Carbonox]

What a lovely lovely voice.

 

[Sanjuro]

Because its at odds with how you think most people felt about the scene?

No, not really.

 

[watershed]

No, not really.

Right...this has been a very fruitful back and forth.

 

[Blader]

Gotham in Begins was a regular city. The narrows was the only thing that looks like the comics.

I'm glad someone else said this. I didn't realize it until my rewatch the other night, but outside of the narrows, Begins Gotham looks exactly like TDK Gotham.

 

[JB1981]

Agreed. Bane is a warrior, he should have been bested by Batman in hand to hand combat and not blown away by out-of-nowhere Catwoman on a Batpod inside a building no one saw or heard coming.

He was bested by him, Talia saved him

 

[RyanardoDaVinci]

"Light it up" is going to make for an awesome gif for when someone returns from a ban.

It'll probably be for Sculli.

Why would it be for Sculli? It doesn't form a burning image of James Cameron!

How do you know when he activated it and when he bailed out? I don't think I'd go out to sea in the batsuit. I bet it's a bitch to swim in. And he had to be at least six miles away not to be vaporized.

I thought Bats bailed out when he fired the missiles at the building for no apparent reason and made a huge cloud of black smoke, perfect time to eject undetected.

But I can't remember if there were cuts to him in the Batwing after that...

 

[micster]

But I can't remember if there were cuts to him in the Batwing after that...

Yeah, we see him in the cockpit just before the blast.

 

[watershed]

I thought Bats bailed out when he fired the missiles at the building for no apparent reason and made a huge could of black smoke, perfect time to eject undetected.

But I can't remember if there were cuts to him in the Batwing after that...

There were a few close ups of his face as he took the bomb past the river. He must have bailed over the water and swam for dear life.

 

[DMczaf]

Why would it be for Sculli? It doesn't form a burning image of James Cameron!

We photoshop the burning bat into a burning C.



C is for Catwoman.

 

[Sanjuro]

Right...this has been a very fruitful back and forth.

I believe it has been the opposite, but that is just my opinion.

 

[Solo]

Alright BAT GAF.

Bane vs Joker.

Both are given a week of prep time and know about each other.

Better performance, or who would win? Because Ledger and Bane are the answers.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

i thought he still had 20 some odd days when he got out of the pit

wait what? is this true? can someone confirm, I could have sworn he had like 12 hours left.

 

[Fletcher]

When the "new" Batman smell wears off I expect to see a lot of people back away from their praise. Ill give Nolan the same credit I always give him..hes a good idea man. But execution is everything and this movie is such a mess. Hes great at making people not think about what is actually going on because his plot, his story is sandwhiched between money shots and lines that sound cool (born in the shadows is an example).

.

 

[Messypandas]

wait what? is this true? can someone confirm, I could have sworn he had like 12 hours left.

there was 23 days left when he climbed out

 

[Mononofu]

meh, I didn't think it needed it at all. Bruce having ways into Gotham should be a given.

Moving from Bruce jumping out the window in the hospital to holding Gordon's hand mid conversation was much more jarring for me.

It's not a huge deal but that type of thing should be a part of good film making 101.

Bruce's return would been more epic with if we are given a visual marker to latch on to. No sense of space and time passage is only expained through dialog.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

there was 23 days left when he climbed out

damn, I gotta watch this again!

 

[Sanjuro]

Better performance, or who would win? Because Ledger and Bane are the answers.

Joker would just trap Bane on the ferry.

Joker wins both.

 

[Magnus]

I'll take an exaggerated, loud - but comprehensible - Bane voice over the mumbly nonsense in the original prologue. Sorry guys; not being able to understand what a character is saying doesn't add mystique or monstrosity to the villain; it just becomes an exercise in frustration for the viewer.

I loved how inhuman and unearthly Bane sounded booming from the center channel (which was the old plan anyway, right? They just cranked the volume a bit)