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demosthenes
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This isn't Resident Evil 4.
Mockingbird
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Hahaha, it's not from RE4. It's what Kevin Smith thought they were saying at first during the early trailers.
You take the original idea: mythical ancient prison with a hole to freedom that no one can climb except for one child, and that's Bane.
It sets up a really great backstory to the character.
Then throughout the movie they change that to show that he got in the hole because he's the mercenary's kid, and that mercenary is Ras. They show him climb out. But it's a she! (well that doesn't matter)
Do you not see how much lamer that is? We don't need to know those things except for the loose connection to Ras that was also completely unnecessary for the film. These mysteries (how did he get in the hole? who is this child? doesn't matter), are much greater when they're not explained and shown in detail. They add to the film and to the character.
demosthenes
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We know all we need to know.
He was a prisoner in the pit.
At some point Talia was born, he came to care for her.
Helped her escape.
For that he was punished by others in the pit.
Experimented on.
He was rescued by Talia and her dad
Ra's excommunicated him because he thought he was a monster.
Talia and Bane plotted to take down Gotham sometime after her dad died.
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-Pyromaniac-
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we don't know that though do we? We don't know if he was truly there since he was a kid. He could be plenty older than Talia. He was a grown man when she was a child there. He could have been a child there too.
demosthenes
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It's Resident Evil 5!
:lol:lol:lol
Possibly he was? We don't know his backstory. How was he in the prison to begin with? We don't know and it's not the most important thing to really know? Is it?
They didn't say she was the only one born in the pit. Just that a child born in the pit escaped.
True, but did Bane ever claim that he was the one that escaped? I felt like he did when he wand batman were fighting, but I might be confusing things.
Yeah. That was around the same time they mentioned the last sighting of him. Eh, it's a little confusing to me. I thought that was the whole point of the Dark Knights ending... he couldn't continue to protect the city knowing full well that they would hate him.
quickwhips
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Watched the movie tonight. This was no Dark Knight by any means. Cool scene was batman getting beat by bane. Lame scene was bane getting shot....wtf. Batman couldn't beat bane. The movie felt weak probably my least favorite out of the 3. I still like batman begins the most but I think some of my favorite scenes are in Dark Knight because of Heath Ledger. Avengers was a way more fun movie than The Dark Knight Rises. Also there was way to much bull to be OK with in the DKR. The truck not killing Gordon. The bomb being dragged across the ground with no explosion or it not blowing up when the truck dove off. It was a fun watch but it will be forgettable and I think maybe my hype was high from reading neogaf threads for so long.
-Pyromaniac-
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well most people here seem to have loved it so neogaf reading doesn't affect everyone!
it was definitely off...i actually did the "jaguarsfanWTF.gif" to it and my date was like "it wasn't that bad" haha!
just watched another movie and realized, Denzel does death scenes REALLY well...maybe he can coach some of these guys
Should have known it wasn't him, when he said "I didn't see the light until I was a man"
Personally, I just took it figuratively...
Like Bane was born in darkness.. he became who he was in the Pit...
Guess more like a rebirth
demosthenes
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Oh, forgot about that until now, good catch!
No, I liked it. I dig the fact that we don't know much about Bane. Even though Talia was the one who escaped, we learned pretty much all we needed to know about Bane during those scenes. He was a monster and constant reminder of his wife's death, but to Talia he was a friend and guardian. The only shred of humanity and weakness he had was connected to her.
So no, I don't think it's lame that he wasn't Ra's son or that he escaped from the prison. Because it wouldn't have made sense anyway, he didn't have the same drive that Bruce and Talia had.
The bomb is a nuclear weapon not some stick of TNT. The two don't behave the same.
after failed climb out the pit
"i'll try again tomorrow"
"THERE IS NO TOMORROW, ROCK!"
Ninja Scooter
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We have no idea what their ages were, but you have to figure Bane was probably in his late 30s at the most, so he had to have been a "child" (probably early teens?) when he was protecting Talia in the pit anyway. Even if he wasn't born there hew as pretty young.
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amazing that this is like the 2nd time this has been brought up exacty the same way.
Not knocking you, just saying, brilliant,
I don't mean that I don't like that they changed who escaped - I don't like explaining the idea period. We know someone was in that pit as a child (him or Talia) and they were the only ones that climbed out. Explaining and showing the escape doesn't add anything to the film, it detracts from what was a very cool backstory
thecouncil
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remember when talia was going to detonate the bomb but it didnt work?
and the bomb was at 11 minutes til detonation.
then talia leaves, bane says some stuff, catwoman shows up and talks to bruce, talia goes and gets in a truck, batman shows up in The Bat...
and the bomb was at 10 minutes.
then talia drives down the street a bit...
and the bomb was at 5 minutes.
anyway, i think time wasnt adding up right in that section.
and the bomb was at 11 minutes til detonation.
then talia leaves, bane says some stuff, catwoman shows up and talks to bruce, talia goes and gets in a truck, batman shows up in The Bat...
and the bomb was at 10 minutes.
then talia drives down the street a bit...
and the bomb was at 5 minutes.
anyway, i think time wasnt adding up right in that section.
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I still don't get it. How does seeing Talia escape make things worse? That whole thing actually made me sympathize with the 2 a bit
Just about to say this. You could drop that thing off a building onto the ground and it wouldn't explode.
IIRC, the only confirmation about Bane's age range from Nolan is that "he's much older than he looks."
I'm willing to bet that he was in his mid-late forties.
thecouncil
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yeah, also when they said he was beat up so bad that he needed the mask for the pain... and that kid didnt get beat up at all.
-Pyromaniac-
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well when you're caring for someone in a shithole for so long, you obviously develop a special relationship.
She did say she loved him.
You see Tom Hardy's face when Talia climbs. So, just assume he's post adolescent to early adult. Say around 20 years old, when Talia escapes. Talia current day, is hard to tell. Late 20's to early 30's, though Marion is a little older. That could put Bane pushing 50.
ThatCrazyGuy
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I take it as Bane is older, maybe 40s? Like when he tells Bruce he is fighting like a young man. Only old people say that, haha.
Cause Catwoman blew him away with the Batpod cannons.
as a friend, betcha Bane felt that.
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But that wouldn't fit with the entire arc being tied to Tom Hardy's other film where he played a character with the exact same story as Talia.
That's funny, as soon as I heard she was cast I thought she HAD to be playing Talia.
Alligatorjandro
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Even thought I knew Talia was there it didnt click with me that she was the child
Um ok that was after he was fucking STABBED and before that he kicked his fucking ass and busted up his mask
:lol :lol :lol
I still don't get it. How does seeing Talia escape make things worse? That whole thing actually made me sympathize with the 2 a bit
It just leaves a loose end with Bane's backstory. He mentions that he didn't see the light until he was a man, but he wasn't the one born in the prison... they don't mention two pregnant women being thrown in there. There is also the fact that Bruce being able to take that leap just like the child meant something. That he was ready to fight him for real this time. But the reveal kind of nulls that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGWPDHrUWko&t=6m45s
This is the first thing I thought of during that sequence lol
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Poor Bane got friendzoned. I was expecting Talia to say "Goodbye, my love" but NOOOOO! She had to say friend. Bane and Batman should have teamed up against her at that point.
He did not have Bane's permission.
Also, I agree with the person who said Talia was miscast and just plain mishandled. I think they should have kept the romance between Batman and Catwoman and made Talia more of an incidental character(so she flew under the radar, and the twist was actually a twist). I knew from the beginning she was the antagonist. Also, the actress that played her just did not fit. Really, that is the person that climbed out of the pit??? Just didn't fit for me.
And was being tied up around the neck while the blade is still in his side. But he had won against Bane, but was defeated by Talia.
The man didn't know all of the legend, and he didn't say "the only child born in the prison." He just said that a child born in the prison, was the only one to make the climb and escape.
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