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say again? Bruce, Grayson and Jean-Paul Valley. which one is best?
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say again? Bruce, Grayson and Jean-Paul Valley. which one is best?
TheKaeptain
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MOTHERFUCKING DICK GRAYSON!
Razgriz-Specter
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He wasn't really Batman though, just pretending to be.
Now Terry on the other hand...
TheKaeptain
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He was fucking Batman. He put the suit because he thought Bruce was dead. Dick accepted the job he was knew he was trained for.
TheKaeptain
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NullPointer
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That was a pretty nasty fall at the end there. Not enough to keep him from running from dogs mind you but adrenaline and ancient ninja training will do that.
That he didn't get checked out for 8 years?
I'm pretty sure it was just a plot point for him to be "down" at the beginning of the movie, so that they get a whole series of scenes for him to "get back into the swing of things"
talisayNon
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seriously, fucking GAF.
I believe the movie was trying to be realistic.
He broke his leg and Dent broke his neck.
NullPointer
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Seeing how he didn't seem to leave his mansion during that time, yeah. Although I'd imagine Alfred would have pestered him about it to no end. But at the end of the day it seems to have had no real significance other than as a prop to show him as out of the game.
And the more I think about the trilogy the more I think that the people of Gotham would be safer if they never listened to Gordon's advice. Having just rewatched the Dark Knight and seen Rises tonight:
* TDK: We should ferry those prisoners out because whatever devious plan the Joker has in mind, it probably has something to do with those prisoners!
* TDK: Catches Joker in trap ambush. Minutes later: Damn it! Joker wanted to be captured!
* TDKR: Send every last cop in town into the sewers! For serious! Now!
I'm sure there are more, but what would the bad guys of Gotham do without him?
I absolutely adored The Dark Knight and wish I loved the finale here... but no. There was just too much bad shit for me to ignore, being pretty much most of what happened after the charges fired.
And after not having it looked at for 8 years it's instantly cured by wearing a knee brace.
TheKaeptain
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Really? You couldn't see that it was something made by Fox?
Yeah but it made electric-y noises so it's technologically advanced.
talisayNon
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seriously. guy makes my head hurt.
also guy that's complaining about blake being able to find batman's identity. i mean that's pretty much troll-lol-lol worthy complaints right there.
Boss Doggie
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I'm always confused - was it Blake or Drake?
Anyway really solid film. I actually like this more than TDK.
Anyway really solid film. I actually like this more than TDK.
I TOLD YOU TO PUT THE TOILET SEAT DOWN FOR MIRANDA!
WHERE ISH SSSHEEEEEEEE!@#$%^&*(*
Ad Infinitum
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One thing that slightly disappointed me was the shot of Bane breaking Batman's back. Might not be remembering it correctly but I thought there wasn't much ceremony to it and it was a bit of an anti climax to the fight scene.
"Light it up"
there was a lot of things that movie didn't recognize as grandiose. It just wanted to end.
No more cornball than the rest of the series. As such, it was fitting.
The ACTUAL flashbacks to BB and TDK should be excised. The NEW stuff (Rhas and young Rhas and Talia/Bane stuff) should be there.
Its the HEY GUYS, REMEMBER THIS SCENE FROM THE PREVIOUS MOVIE? stuff that didn't need to be there. The Rhas/Talia/Bane stuff did need to be there.
Phoenician_Viking
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I liked this movie a lot. Not as much as TDK. I still think that Bane is such a shitty villain.
Sorcerer
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I think they were going for a "damn, that did just happen moment?".
Those unfamilar with Knightfall probably were really shocked, while those who were wondering is Bane gonna do it?
It worked for both situations.
They could have telegraphed it with a cheesy slow mo and special music, but I am glad they just made it just a natural end of the fight.
How did they make Bane look so big in the movie? Was it camera tricks or something?
I thought he was too much like Joker, except with a worse motivation. Actually, it was never clear during the movie what his motivation was, except at the end when you discover it's to avenge his girlfriend's dad's wish or something.
I thought he was too much like Joker, except with a worse motivation. Actually, it was never clear during the movie what his motivation was, except at the end when you discover it's to avenge his girlfriend's dad's wish or something.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Exactly.
Based on TDK, which released in the exact same slot 4 years ago, first week of December.
I don't see how that's relevant. In TDK saga, that pretty much applies. I don't see how anyone could argue that unless they are arguing for blake, who I already explained why he doesn't measure up.
In the comics...well, I'll admit that I haven't read THAT much of Morrison's Batman, but I have read some and I've read a good deal of his other work. My general policy when it comes to his stuff is to assume it sucks until proven otherwise. I hate the majority of his stuff while liking minor ideas that he has, so given that he was the writer of most of Dick's time as Batman, I can't help but be skeptical when you make that claim.
Boss Doggie
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Yeah Talia could have some a bit more build up (although one could argue that R'as never appears without his daughter) so I guess it should have been hinted earlier on. Also wasn't her scar shown when she and Bruce were making out?
NullPointer
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Yep, in a very random shot.
beyond_death
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Indeed. I really didnt expect that to happen, just thought Bane would beat the crap out of Batman that would be it. So glad they added that little nugget at the end. I didnt think it ended too abruptly, I just sat there fangasming.
Boss Doggie
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In a way, I'm sort of confused on why Alfred suddenly becomes against Batman. Wasn't he pushing the Batman idea last movie?
The way he did it in TDKR was hilariously nonchalant.
Tell Batman that he will break him... Walks up to him, beats the shit out of him some more, picks him up and then breaks him.
The way he broke Batman's back in Knightfall was more of spur of a moment thing.
I think after Rachel died and hiding what she really wanted to tell Bruce... He was just tired of it.
It needed to be there because TDK was so much more successful than BB. While it didn't need to be there for everyone who saw both the first two films a lot of people didn't.
FlutterPuffs
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As much as I loved the movie, I would hate it if Bruce stopped being Batman just after the whole Dent incident.
In my head Batman and Joker had a few more battles, but it gets harder on Batman; seeing as even the police is much more aggressive to capture him this time around. He stops being Batman after the Dent Act, and slowly stops showing up as Bruce Wayne as he realises the Dent Act just went after the mobs, not the corrupt rich assholes in Gotham.
He was always against the Batman idea, but he helped Bruce Wayne out because he was a bro.
Bruce Wayne in TDKR was a shadow of a man he was in BB though, so I guess he knew Bruce either had to quit, or die on the job.
In my head Batman and Joker had a few more battles, but it gets harder on Batman; seeing as even the police is much more aggressive to capture him this time around. He stops being Batman after the Dent Act, and slowly stops showing up as Bruce Wayne as he realises the Dent Act just went after the mobs, not the corrupt rich assholes in Gotham.
He was always against the Batman idea, but he helped Bruce Wayne out because he was a bro.
Bruce Wayne in TDKR was a shadow of a man he was in BB though, so I guess he knew Bruce either had to quit, or die on the job.
It became increasingly clear to him that Bruce had no interest in keeping himself alive.
He was encouraging that he finish the job he started, as he saw it as a way for him to deal with his parents death. If he gave in then, Gotham would just be destroyed, his life ruined, and he'd fall into despair.
But even after Gotham was saved, he fell into despair anyway. With Rachel gone, he abandoned all social activity, and with the city cleaned up, there was no need for Batman anymore. Thus, he lost any semblance of purpose.
But then Bane came around and Alfred realized that Bruce was going to keep doing this until he was killed. There was no end where he felt he did his duty and then found a wife to enjoy life with if he continued. So that's why he was pleading him to just forget about it.
All he wanted was for Bruce to live his life.
I think the movie would have been legitimately different if Heath Ledger was still alive. I don't necessarily think they planned out the 3rd movie while writing the 2nd, but Joker or his influence would have been felt more if he had been alive. I mean, where was he, exactly, when the prison break happened? I guess he was sent to a different, federal prison or something, deemed too dangerous to gotham. It's not unreasonable, but the real reason he wasn't there was because of real life reasons.
I wonder how he and Bane would have interacted
Full circle! Bruce Wayne, leader of the Al Ghul genocide!
Sorcerer
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Alfred wants what is best for Bruce. I think Alfred in BB accepts the idea of Batman because it gives Bruce focus and meaning in his life.
Then later on Alfred sees that Bruce cannot seperate himself from Batman and thus becomes a hermit for 8 years. But feels that becoming Batman will destroy Bruce.
Its a complex situation for Alfred in this trilogy dealing with Bruces pain. He swore to protect Bruce, but there is no middle ground where Bruce can be happy.
His one hope may have been Rachel, he was ready to call it in for her , but that chance was taken away from him.
I find the revelation that he banged Talia and later killed her disturbing.
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