But he is going to be the new Batman, that's certainly what's implied.
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But he is going to be the new Batman, that's certainly what's implied.
Catwoman beginning of the movie: *Has nothing but self interest at heart, betrays batman to Bane*
Catwoman at the end of the movie: *Is a hero that risks her life for the city, saves Batman from Bane*
Yeah, she could have just been written out of the movie.
Seriously, posts like these make me wonder how many people actually watched the film.
I agree with the bolded part, Batman has always looked better as a loner. That said I completely disagree with the rest of your post. I thought Hathaway did a great job and she was well written, myself and the couple I was with thought she was a high point of the film. Im not sure what character development you needed to see, the character is pretty straight forward. Not to mention the movie was already creeping up on 3 hours long.
Uh no it isn't. Missed the part where the lady said she she liked the name Robin?
Phoenician_Viking
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That´s what i thought, but then the lady called him Robin at the end of the movie.
That's because that's his name. His name is literally Robin John Blake. He just doesn't like to use it for some reason, apparently.
SpeedingUptoStop
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Doesn't Bane's true backstory enrich some of this for you? All those times Bane brings up Ra's Al Guhl's destiny come off less brain washy and more like he's either trying to make the man proud or he feels almost guilty for having to parade this purpose with an idol who didn't respect him.
It's a nice parallel to Gordon having to parade around Harvey's name after what Harvey did to him. Real nice.
It's a nice parallel to Gordon having to parade around Harvey's name after what Harvey did to him. Real nice.
Inferno313
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It's just a little joke as well as showing that while he's not Dick Garyson or Tim Drake, he's the spiritual Robin of the trilogy. The young man Bruce takes under his wing to eventually succeed him.
Escape Goat
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Would you use your real name if it were Robin?
Lifejumper
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Bane looked fucking huge in the sewer scene with Gordon. Dat Tom Hardy
I would also like to mention that Gary Oldman is the best casting for a comic book movie ever... I mean he looks exactly the same as his comic book version.
I would also like to mention that Gary Oldman is the best casting for a comic book movie ever... I mean he looks exactly the same as his comic book version.
For real.
PhoncipleBone
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The fact that Bruce still trusted her in the end is the most offensive part.
JJJ would like a word with you.
one thing that popped into my head last night as i was reliving the movie in my head, the connection to BB is far more emphasized than TDK, which makes TDK kinda stand out from the trilogy in a bad way.
I know it was done out of respect, but a few lines referencing what happened, besides the Dent Act and Batmans fall from grace, would've been nice. where's joker? does he still haunt Batman?
also, its been mentioned in this thread, but i think an appearance by joker, helping batman defeat Bane, or at least standing up to bane and "make his plan turn on itself" would've been awesome. or maybe a few henchmen wearing clownsmasks helping gordon with the trucks would've been cool.
i also kinda wished they stayed with the original story, bane being exiled from the los, and talia going after him to stop him, usibg the wayne enterprises as ameans to an end. make Batman choose between the lesser of two evils, or at least value the los for whatthey are, not a purey evil society, but something else entirely.
I know it was done out of respect, but a few lines referencing what happened, besides the Dent Act and Batmans fall from grace, would've been nice. where's joker? does he still haunt Batman?
also, its been mentioned in this thread, but i think an appearance by joker, helping batman defeat Bane, or at least standing up to bane and "make his plan turn on itself" would've been awesome. or maybe a few henchmen wearing clownsmasks helping gordon with the trucks would've been cool.
i also kinda wished they stayed with the original story, bane being exiled from the los, and talia going after him to stop him, usibg the wayne enterprises as ameans to an end. make Batman choose between the lesser of two evils, or at least value the los for whatthey are, not a purey evil society, but something else entirely.
He could tell she was a decent person? Hell when he came back, he had just witnessed her save a kid on the street.
I think your interpretation works..but it might be unintentional on the part of the Nolans. If it is meant to be there though, then it's just another brilliant parallel that gets lost in the edit.
The entire film is about Gotham's false peace rotting under the weight of a lie. Bruce is still reeling from Rachel's death. Gordon's been reduced to a depressive cynic after letting Batman take the fall. It's a direct continuation from TDK's ending. The main thrust of its plot is way more dependent on TDK than BB.
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The movie sets up in the beginning that having Batman's true symbolism be tainted is what poisons the city in small ways. The end of the film brings it back to being a great figure who anybody can be. Bruce left while he was still alive, with a woman he can love, the city in good hands with Gordon and Blake, and Lucius & Alfred sitting on a pretty penny. Ain't much left for him to do, man,
As I said in an earlier post, I see Bane as more like Talia's Alfred, though I guess he does spill over to Gordon too. Since he gets her all of Batman's tech, he can be looked upon as a Lucius as well. Basically, Bane is analogous to all the people who are in Bruce's life rather than Bruce himself, which I think is pretty meaningful given that Bruce's arc in this story is about reconnecting to others so that he can end this long train of self loathing.
Talia is Bruce's true foil in this movie, and I guess a reflection of what he will end up as if he abandons it all for his parents dream, like Talia did for her father. It's really poignant when you think about it.
What was the alternative? He would gain nothing by not trusting her. At best, he was taking a chance on her doing something good. If it did, she'll pull his ass out of the fire. If not, well, how is he any worse off than he would be otherwise?
Also, Bruce is an idealist. He believes in people, to a very extreme extent.
Why not? Everyone would think "Of course Robin is not his real name. What kind of idiot would use his real name as an alias?"
It's the perfect disguise.
I actually did it in real life. It's making me think people did need the fucking flashbacks
Jason's Ultimatum
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I laughed seeing all the acne covered in makeup.
PhoncipleBone
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Inferno313
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Huh, I actually thought the bumps on his arms/back were intentional, to look like side effects from the painkillers/chemicals from the mask? Maybe I was giving them too much credit lol.
GodfatherX
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right nobody would ever ask to see the body of a still millionaire, sure its just as easy as a butler calling the coroner saying "he's dead and there isnt a body" with nothing else then legally enacting the will
the people of gotham had zero idea that bruce was ever in danger. The people of Gotham saw Batman sacrifice his life and save the city from a nuke. Those same people think Wayne is held up in his room in Wayne Manor. Nobody beyond Alfred, Blake, Gordon and Selena even know he was ever even close to danger
Escape Goat
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Bane was fed steroids along with anesthesia.
by original, i mean what they were steering at in the beginning. Bane being exiled for being too extreme, but instead of talia being an enemy, she's an ally that comes with a cost.
i don't know if nolan ever written it likethis.
Messypandas
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To be fair he wanted to find Bane anyway so she just benefited from two deals. She probably thought Bane didn't stand a chance and she looked visibly distraught when Bats was getting his ass handed to him
PhoncipleBone
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But more live villains than the Burton films had.
That is one thing I did appreciate about the Nolan films. They dont kill off all the bad guys. At least they can come back, and not in every film like X-Men. Bringing the villain back as a major part every time cheapens them in the long run.
Trusting her before the breaking was fine. It was putting even more trust into her when he returned to the city that was bad. It's not like he gave her the keys to his motorcycle before he got his back broken.
I figured, but did they say he was given steroids in the movie (?), all I heard was painkillers. If they did I must have missed it.
Superimposer
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I don't think it was going in that direction at any point. Would have been pretty cool though
planar1280
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Does this loophole burn you on the inside?
The city was in utter chaos for 6 months that Bruce could have been killed and done god knows what with in any of that time, Gordon's the commissioner who can pull strings, and the only people who have a remote personal connection to bruce are Lucius and Alfred, who will vouch to seeing his body.
It's hardly unthinkable that people would think that his body was just lost in the chaos. I'm guessing there are lots of people who've went missing during Bane's reign.
Sir Hamish
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Saw the film last night. Really enjoyed it. It was a really great end to a really fantastic trilogy. I wouldn't say it was better than TDK, I felt there was a lot that could have been done better, but it was easily as good as Begins.
My major gripes with the film were that the first hour or so felt incredibly disjointed. It's hard to describe why, it just didn't flow well, I felt it jumped around a lot.
My other major issue was Bane. His death sucked. It was awful, and a complete waste of an opportunity to give him a meaningful send off. We all knew Batman wouldn't kill Bane himself, that's not his thing. So unless they wanted to have him arrested someone else was going to need to do it. It should have been the police.
Catwoman didn't really deserve to kill Bane. The police did. The police represent the ordinary men and women of Gotham. They've spent 5 months trapped under ground whilst a dictator lords over their friends and family. They have no way of knowing if their loved ones have survived. But the minute Batman frees them from their underground prison they follow him headfirst in an assault on Bane's superior forces, sacrificing their lives to give Batman a shot to get at Bane. If anyone deserved to 'depose' Bane it was them. Instead of having Selina blast him away have the police enter, demand he drop his shotgun, then gun him down when he turns it on them. He should have fallen victim to Batman's revolution the same way the wealthy citizens of Gotham fell victim to his own. Catwoman dispatching the 'dictator' Bane felt cheap and unearned. Catwoman didn't have a personal stake in the fate of Gotham City (she only came back to rescue Batman), the police did, so they should have brought down it's 'tyrant'. It would also be nice to see the police rescue Batman.
Catwoman could easily get her redemptive moment at the end when she turns up to aid Batman against the tumblers. They could have given her the same sort of explosive entrance they gave Batman in the TDK when he arrived on the Batpod to rescue Harvey Dent from the Joker.
My major gripes with the film were that the first hour or so felt incredibly disjointed. It's hard to describe why, it just didn't flow well, I felt it jumped around a lot.
My other major issue was Bane. His death sucked. It was awful, and a complete waste of an opportunity to give him a meaningful send off. We all knew Batman wouldn't kill Bane himself, that's not his thing. So unless they wanted to have him arrested someone else was going to need to do it. It should have been the police.
Catwoman didn't really deserve to kill Bane. The police did. The police represent the ordinary men and women of Gotham. They've spent 5 months trapped under ground whilst a dictator lords over their friends and family. They have no way of knowing if their loved ones have survived. But the minute Batman frees them from their underground prison they follow him headfirst in an assault on Bane's superior forces, sacrificing their lives to give Batman a shot to get at Bane. If anyone deserved to 'depose' Bane it was them. Instead of having Selina blast him away have the police enter, demand he drop his shotgun, then gun him down when he turns it on them. He should have fallen victim to Batman's revolution the same way the wealthy citizens of Gotham fell victim to his own. Catwoman dispatching the 'dictator' Bane felt cheap and unearned. Catwoman didn't have a personal stake in the fate of Gotham City (she only came back to rescue Batman), the police did, so they should have brought down it's 'tyrant'. It would also be nice to see the police rescue Batman.
Catwoman could easily get her redemptive moment at the end when she turns up to aid Batman against the tumblers. They could have given her the same sort of explosive entrance they gave Batman in the TDK when he arrived on the Batpod to rescue Harvey Dent from the Joker.
Escape Goat
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Haha, I don't think so. But I doubt don't an actor would take them for a role where size was a major characteristic of the part he was playing.
Blake has no League of Shadows training, he's a beat cop. The bat-suit and his cop training alone will get him killed pretty quickly.
Besides, this is Bruce fucking Wayne we're talking about. The next big emergency to threaten Gotham comes around, you really think he's still sitting in a cafe sipping espresso?
As was established in the Dark Knight, Bruce Wayne doesn't look at the news.
PhoncipleBone
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Messypandas
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what are you talking about? Plenty of people saw Bruce getting taken into the rich people gulag (before him and Lucius escape). People would naturally conclude he was exiled to the ice and died like many of the other rich cats. They might never find the bodies
PhoncipleBone
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And TDKR Batman is nowhere near the beast that BB Batman was.
Discotheque
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Yeah wtf. That would have been so sexy.
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Jake Tower
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Did anyone else start laughing when they saw Bruce's doctor was Lt. Dangle from Reno 911?
PhoncipleBone
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And if we use the same idea for the whole trilogy, the first half of the trilogy is better than the second.
It's like poetry... it rhymes.
Jason's Ultimatum
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And I had no idea Cotillard had some biggums. The scene where her and Bruce break inside Wayne Manor drenched in.........ahem rain made me go WOW.
EDIT-oh, WOW. Don't Google image her. She's got some dinner plate nips!
EDIT-oh, WOW. Don't Google image her. She's got some dinner plate nips!
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