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Man they really neuter Bane after the Talia reveal, he feels totally unimportant right then.
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It doesn't say he had a limb for 8 years. For all we know, that may be a recent development.
it's not any more absurd than Harvey's face. And hes still took 3 months to get it back into shape.
You did note the archery stuff in the beginning, yes? He wasn't doing nothing, but he wasn't keeping himself in top condition either. It's not unbelievable that he could get back into it after several months.
Again with the anticlimactic complaint. What was he suppose to do, prepare fireworks as his background? Why would he broadly announce his presence like that? He was there to slap the shit out of Bane, not put on a show. And in this grand entrance, he made hundreds of cops look like utter fools by flying off in his batwing. I don't see how that's not grand.
He wasn't important the moment batman beat him down.
Razgriz-Specter
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cinder block was the brick support foundations of the mansion
CherryWoodFuton
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Hyperbole at its finest. You must not enjoy watching anything do you?
I hate how legitimate criticisms of movies have to be ruined by inserting "OMGZ WAT A SHIT MOVIE!!!!"
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Actually he seemed like a huge Nolan fanboy up until this film
triplestation
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I don't know... I liked the first reappearance. But yea the second one was weird. He kind of made them stand on thin ice while he made his triumphant return. Don't see why he didn't put the flare closer.
personally, I've yet to hear a weighty argument against this movie that would not also apply to the other 2 movies as well.
Messypandas
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You must hate this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX9FSZJu448
Guy was crippled for 15 years with neck and knee problems. Couldn't walk unassisted and crawled upstairs. Did yoga for 6 months and can now run marathons. What the fuck science? What do you mean the body is capable of extreme transformations on its own?
And your second point is moot. He slipped a disc which are treated through massage manipulation and exercise
SunhiLegend
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The scene when Batman first shows up was fucking amazing, I had goosebumps when the music kicked in.
same here .. my brother and i looked over at each other in the theater at the same time, nodding like "this shit is awesome"
Fanboys of anything are the most prone to overreactions of all kinds.
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Yea that line was pretty horrific. THATS your comeback?!
The worst one by far that made me laugh snort in the theater was the black slate explanation.
"The blank slate. The thing that you put your name into that does this thing I'm describing in great detail so the audience will understand it better even though this sounds super awkward and hilarious. THAT blank slate?!"
MaximumFlipFlop
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It was perfectly fine. Batman accidentally punched the mask and broke it. No one had ever beat Bane before, so how was anyone to know other than those Bane trusts that breaking the mask was going to get the job done?
parrotbeak
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When Bane killed the Wayne company guy that had taken over the board, I thought his scream was really weird. I thought Bane was just snapping his neck but the scream seemed way too long.
Messypandas
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well to be fair, Bane had just initiated marshall law
You'll just have to imagine the fire.
CherryWoodFuton
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Check my edit
I loved this movie (better than BB) but it isn't as good as TDK. I just find it funny that some posters completely shit on the movie because of its flaws (which there were plenty but it doesn't make it a crappy movie) and posting troll responses such as "SPIDERMENZ IS BETTER" "ALIEN 3 >>> THE DARK SHIT RISEZ"
triplestation
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I've said it before I think in the other thread. The previous two movies were about something. They had great themes and they explored those themes quite thoroughly, taking it's time. This movie is pretty much just a callback to the first and ends it in a very rushed, tedious and convoluted manner. It was a helluva drag. Sure it did have some cool scenes, all of which have to do with Bane. But they were limited, his character was severely underused.
Another thing I hated was the use of audio/music to bring up the spirit of the audience rather than performances or situations in the scenes. It was as bad as most modern horror flicks using loud audio to cheaply engage you.
I said that to.. I think Guzim... Loeb got a whole funeral march scene and everything.. the Mayor doesn't even get a news scroller confirming he died.
Raging Spaniard
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Yeah I soo hate that, come on now.
The problem isnt whether or not its feasible, its the way the movie presents it that makes it look like it just magically gets better. Massage manipulation? The guy was hanging from a rope and told to stay there till he feels better? yeah, OKAY
Yeah thats weird, why was the thin ice not so thin anymore? Nevermind that Batman has a bunch of stuff on, making him heavier.
Thats fine, its not a plot point its just visual stuff that goes with the character.
A scene of how he returns to Gotham or maybe play out the scene of his return a little longer would make a big difference, no need for fireworks and hyperbole.
Couldn't disagree with everything in this post more.
I think we're supposed to assume such a forced vertical position for his spine "sets" it back in place so he can begin to stand up straight/walk again.
This really bothered you ? Like you actually thought about this during the screening?
Discotheque
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Okay I'm beginning to think you just can't accept flaws for hyped films. First Prometheus and now this.
To be fair about the mayor scene though so much was happening in Gotham that I don't think people had time to grieve for him.
I just found it hilarious in comparison to Loeb's death & response in TDK.
The point is that these films were never as realistic as people make them to be anyway. Nitpicking about implausible medical details doesn't hold a lot of weight.
It's 'heightened reality' after all. Not real life.
Did you watch the movie? Almost every citizen was isolated and in hiding. It was suicide to go out unless you were a thug.
CherryWoodFuton
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I kinda like these discussions on how plausible it would be in real life to do shit like in the movies. Makes it drive home to me that movies doesn't equal to real life
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
And thats my entire point, a movie has to have narrative consistency. If it consistently presents itself as dark, mature and deep movie then dont half ass some parts that make it out as campy
Youre remembering it wrong, the VIP section on top of the stadium blows up.
Garrett 2U
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It was so close to being the perfect ending.
I think the movie would have been better off without Catwoman.
Even though it was an excellently portrayed character, she was a really unnecessary character to the plot.
The only part she was "necessary" was saving batman at the very end.
But I felt like Blake should have saved him... and then cut out that other unnecessary bus part at the end.
I imagine Bane's death happening as Blake coming and distracting him, then Batman finishing him off.
The other part where she had purpose was showing Batman where Bane lived...
But being the world's best detective, I think Batman could have figured that out himself.
The other issue I have is with Blake being "Robin".
I really wish that wasn't his name.
It was quite heavily implied that he would take the role of Batman throughout the movie.
But now with Bruce living and setting up a second Batcave, it is confusing.
Is Bruce going to come back as Batman? Is Blake going to be his side kick?
It would have been perfect if Blake wasn't "Robin", but did find the Batcave.
AND if Batman would have just "died" and the movie ended on Alfred smiling.
Oh and no Catwoman.
I think the movie would have been better off without Catwoman.
Even though it was an excellently portrayed character, she was a really unnecessary character to the plot.
The only part she was "necessary" was saving batman at the very end.
But I felt like Blake should have saved him... and then cut out that other unnecessary bus part at the end.
I imagine Bane's death happening as Blake coming and distracting him, then Batman finishing him off.
The other part where she had purpose was showing Batman where Bane lived...
But being the world's best detective, I think Batman could have figured that out himself.
The other issue I have is with Blake being "Robin".
I really wish that wasn't his name.
It was quite heavily implied that he would take the role of Batman throughout the movie.
But now with Bruce living and setting up a second Batcave, it is confusing.
Is Bruce going to come back as Batman? Is Blake going to be his side kick?
It would have been perfect if Blake wasn't "Robin", but did find the Batcave.
AND if Batman would have just "died" and the movie ended on Alfred smiling.
Oh and no Catwoman.
The booth they were in was rigged to blow up. EDIT: Beaten
In fact his death was shown in the trailers. His reaction and the explosion.
This is how I feel. After all it's a movie about a guy dressing up like a bat fighting off a guy with a mask of painkillers used by a league of ninjas.
In other words, I'm even more in love with Anne Hathaway. She was an amazing Catwomen.
Messypandas
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They showed they had a doctor who massaged the wound, he was hung verticle to set his back straight. The whole process lasts 5 months. What about it is magic? Bruce lee was bed ridden after slipping a disc and he learned to walk again. I'm really not getting the problem here.
So it's fine that Batman can jump off buildings and land on his feet with little repercussion, but as soon as his body heals at an accelerated rate, the movie becomes unrealistic.
Guys all three movies are unrealistic, but the themes and personal growth of the characters are why we watched and loved them.
People who comment on all this irrelevant nonsense are really saying they didn't like the theme and arc of The Dark Knight Rises. Which is fine, just say that instead of hiding behind the lack of realism.
Guys all three movies are unrealistic, but the themes and personal growth of the characters are why we watched and loved them.
People who comment on all this irrelevant nonsense are really saying they didn't like the theme and arc of The Dark Knight Rises. Which is fine, just say that instead of hiding behind the lack of realism.
What I mean is that no one mentions his name after his death.
they clearly show his box seats explode
So you hate that its not realistic, someone shows a video of even crazier happening in real life, then you nitpick on a scene which they acknowledge he needs to wait for therapy to take over. And there was thick ice out there. It was alluded to in the earlier executions.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Ugh, again, Im not saying its unrealistic, Im saying its not consistent with itself.
Im not saying anything that happen couldnt or shouldnt happen within the universe of the movie, but the way they showed it caused me to roll my eyes because within their rules it was explained with logic for 8 year olds.
We can talk a lot about the themes here. Specifically of Batman as a person whose lost his purpose in life and is now struggling to get it back. This is different than begins because he feels he's already failed and lost connection with other people, where as before he still had his connection, he just ignored them in favor of something else. Rises is, above all, a story about a man that is trying to set his life right. This is reflected in Talia, who suffered a similar fate, but instead chose to carry out her fathers plan to for no real purpose, and died with no point. And I don't see how it was rushed, tedious, or convoluted. I actually thought it took it's time. I was never bored and I think this was far more straightforward than TDK was.
And I felt that TDK had the audio thing as much as TDKR does.
The entire scene was like 10 minutes total. He'd need something hyperbole to make a grander entrance than making fools of a thousand cops by bale-ing out in his giant flying armored car.
You're not making any sense whatsoever. What about Nolan's universe, specifically the universe that allowed Harvey Dent's half face to go untreated, is inconsistent with what happened with Bruce?
Oh, yeah, Bruce screaming in agony while the guy pushes his vertebrae in and him struggling through the months in obviously painful self therapy is silly completely silly and not dark at all.
I thought it was strange that the two Batman vs Bane fights were just boxing matches. One of the things I find interesting about Batman is that he usually doesn't rely on brute force to win fights. He uses gadgets, misdirection, devices plans. In Rises, you don't see this side of him at all. I guess they hinted at it in the first Bane fight with that smoke bomb that seemed pointless, but that's it.
It would have been more powerful if the movie presented Bane as the violent monster and Batman as the non-violent solution maker. Show that violence doesn't solve problems, and never triumphs over careful planning and smart tactics. Instead, it's two dudes punching each other, and its ultimately won by women with weapons. Yay?
It would have been more powerful if the movie presented Bane as the violent monster and Batman as the non-violent solution maker. Show that violence doesn't solve problems, and never triumphs over careful planning and smart tactics. Instead, it's two dudes punching each other, and its ultimately won by women with weapons. Yay?
Well stated. The whole premise of Batman or any comic book hero is unrealistic. Nolan made it as real as possible, but guys it seems some of you are mad because there were certain situations he couldn't explain to your liking which makes it more unrealistic to you.
Many complaints make me think you guys wanted a full guide as to how Batman was able to do certain things, so that you can become Batman yourselves.
Some food for thought. Batman also didn't win his final fist fight with Ra's. But he had to outsmart him.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
He had already returned to Gotham at that point, he had met with Catwoman earlier. I agree that his entrance at the riot was good ... even if they didnt show him getting into the brawl, which was weird from a storytelling perspective.
With two face thats something you have to do to keep the character the same as its always been, with Bruce is a conscious decision to be extremely vague about his rehab process, its not the same thing at all.
Lol no, the screaming and all was fine even though if thats all you need to fix severe back issues then .. yeah, allright. Next cut hes already doing pushups and shit. Listen, if you think its perfectly told, then awesome, but it didnt play out that way with me and people I went to see it with, so its not like Im crazy picky here.
He tried it in the first fight and it didn't do shit. (he also got thrown into the situation)
I like that in the second fight they just went all out. And hitting the mask is a tactic I think.
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