How did anyone in Gotham survive? The fallout would have killed everyone in a 200 mile radius.
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How did anyone in Gotham survive? The fallout would have killed everyone in a 200 mile radius.
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MisterAnderson
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What exactly did Bane do in the opening scene with the planes? I realize he acquired that scientist, but why did he pull a corpse into the plane and then bust out that tube to transfuse blood? Was that to try to make it look like the scientist he kidnapped was dead?
Yes, exactly.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Right. Somewhat simplified, Talia wanted Bruce to suffer; everything was her master plan. Bane was ultimately Talia's henchman.
CrocMother
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Did you fall asleep at the end of the movie?
He threw the punches and snapped the necks she couldn't.
Ghost_Protocol
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How did Batman suddenly learn how to fly a rotorcraft in 15 minutes?
MisterAnderson
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While that's pretty much how I also interpreted it, there's really no reason not to give Bane some credit too. He probably at least had a hand in the plan on some level.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Honestly I almost missed the dialogue there, I don't remember if the score was drowning it out or what.
Oh sure, they were very much of the same mind in what they wanted to accomplish. And I'm not saying the plan isn't kind of ridiculously convoluted. But I've seen a lot of confusion over what they were both trying to do, and essentially Bane was helping Talia. They didn't have separate goals at all.
I love how people say they love the Nolan Bat films because of its realism and how it's grounded in the real world, but when inconsistencies are pointed out, the response is "It's just a movie."
JaseMath
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True. Never thought about the fall from TDK.
cartoon_soldier
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Thinking about it for the last couple of days, I now feel too that the Talia twist was not needed at all. It really destroyed the Aura of Bane and why people followed him so fanatically.
But it was a nice twist.
But it was a nice twist.
It was stupid in True Lies as well.
The funniest part is the guy asking JGL what good putting the kids back on the bus was going to do against a nuclear explosion, and yet move the bomb a mile out to sea and everybody cheers. Lol.
At least The Avengers sent the nuke to another dimension. No fallout from there.
Sorcerer
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Wierd because the first time I saw the movie I completely missed that too. Totally confused me for the ending.
I only probably heard it the second time because it was pointed out for me on this forum and I looked for it.
The movie has serious audio issues.
planar1280
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I interpreted it as being entirely a joint effort, plan and all.
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so was the last scene officially a nod to this?
brandonh83
Banned
So am I the only one that felt the nuclear bomb plot was completely out of place? Sure the first one had the microwave emitter and it was a bit over the top, but not this over the top. I just found it to be so weird seeing Batman fly a nuke out of Gotham complete with a mushroom cloud blast that looked straight out of 24.
I think I would have simply preferred it if there was no bomb, and it was just Batman kicking everyone's asses with Catwoman. I understand that the whole ending was about Bruce/Batman supposedly being dead, but I think it could have happened in a much more interesting and creative way than what did. As soon as the bomb plot factored in, I felt like I was taken out of it as I immediately started thinking about how what I was seeing was super cliche.
The imagery that Nolan got on the screen was amazing with the whole chase at the end, and the Bat was really cool and impressive, but I didn't like what was actually going on during the chase, what was fuelling the chase, etc. With TDK's chase, I loved what was actually transpiring and something about it felt scary, especially how it began with the sound dropping out and the Joker's cue coming in.
That, plus how silly and "well alright then" Talia's death felt with that goofy shot of the three of them watching her and listening to her make some death speech, and the three of them just had this "what the hell is this bitch going on about" expression, it just all came together in a really awful way to me. I didn't find anything original or interesting about it.
I felt like TDKR, as big and grand as it was, lacked this sort of momentum and I felt like they just went with the most obvious endgame imaginable and some things weren't even handled that well. While I've warmed up to it, when I walked out of TDK I was disappointed that Two-Face came in too late and didn't get enough development, so you can only imagine how I felt about Talia.
I think I would have simply preferred it if there was no bomb, and it was just Batman kicking everyone's asses with Catwoman. I understand that the whole ending was about Bruce/Batman supposedly being dead, but I think it could have happened in a much more interesting and creative way than what did. As soon as the bomb plot factored in, I felt like I was taken out of it as I immediately started thinking about how what I was seeing was super cliche.
The imagery that Nolan got on the screen was amazing with the whole chase at the end, and the Bat was really cool and impressive, but I didn't like what was actually going on during the chase, what was fuelling the chase, etc. With TDK's chase, I loved what was actually transpiring and something about it felt scary, especially how it began with the sound dropping out and the Joker's cue coming in.
That, plus how silly and "well alright then" Talia's death felt with that goofy shot of the three of them watching her and listening to her make some death speech, and the three of them just had this "what the hell is this bitch going on about" expression, it just all came together in a really awful way to me. I didn't find anything original or interesting about it.
I felt like TDKR, as big and grand as it was, lacked this sort of momentum and I felt like they just went with the most obvious endgame imaginable and some things weren't even handled that well. While I've warmed up to it, when I walked out of TDK I was disappointed that Two-Face came in too late and didn't get enough development, so you can only imagine how I felt about Talia.
CrocMother
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Nuclear bomb was a plot device to allow the five month countdown to take place, giving Bruce time to go to prison, heal, escape and come back.
It's a super hero film. It's not real. It's a movie. That being said, the cynical world of Gotham and the trials of Bruce and many of the characters feel more down to earth and more jarring than a standard comic book film. You can always nit pick everything, or you can sit back and enjoy an amazing film. I guess for those people with hyper-active minds that attempt to catch every single inconsistency in every single film/tv show; I truly am sorry, that must be a horrible curse to bear.
The captain from the Army that first comes out on the bridge is the guy who played Bunny Colvin in The Wire. And of course the CIA agent is Tommy Carcetti from The Wire/Littlefinger from Game of Thrones.
Can you give an alternate way for Talia to truly, literally, destroy the entirety of Gotham as she had intended to?
Atleast Nuclear bombs exist. The microwave emitter was FAR more silly than this was.
I was anxious to get out since the movie was 55 minutes too long but what did I miss?
Halcyon
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When I rewatched it yesterday I made sure to watch the cuts. The last shot we see of batman he turns his gaze and stares into the camera. But this I think is Nolan manipulating time a bit. So I think he does eject after the bat gets out over the bay. Then swims to shore and works on his radioactive tan.
Either this or (what I like to think happened) Bruce built in an eject pod that turned into a high speed underwater vehicle similar to how the batpod pops out of the tumbler. Then he went to depth and hung out with james Cameron and talked about box office numbers.
Joe Shlabotnik
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The movie's a little schizophrenic about its "realism", for sure. I think it's probably the most heightened Nolan Batman movie while at the same time excising just about everything outlandish about comic book Bane. All in all the Nolan Batfilms are a very interesting take on the Batman universe but I don't think it could hold up under the strain for another film.
brandonh83
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Which made things even more jarring. The movie was closing in on 3 hours, and something like that should have had way more screentime and build than it did. I also hated how they cut Bruce's climb out of the Pit so short. I don't think the camera should have followed him all the way up the entire time, but the movie made it out to look like that hard to make jump was the only difficult thing about it.
The music was just getting going, I was like fuck yeah, and then it cuts to him already at the top of it. Boner not rising anymore.
So basically unless I can figure out a much better way to do things than the professional screenwriters, I'm not allowed to have an opinion?
No, I can't give you an alternate way to destroy Gotham as she intended, but at the same time I'm not sure why it's always so necessary for villains to want to flat out blow up cities or planets. That's not the only way to take something over. I think it would have been far more gritty and effective to see Talia and Bane just going around killing people or bringing down buildings with high-end explosives or something along those lines, but the nuke thing is so overdone and so easy. It wasn't interesting.
Auron_Kale
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I think it's a possibility since her doing so gave Bruce a reason to trust her.
When The Bat is first revealed Lucius says that auto pilot can be fixed with someone with a lot of free time on his hands (ie Bruce Wayne).
Then one of the final scenes is Lucius learning that Bruce secretly fixed auto pilot with a software patch months ago. (Hinting to the audience that he bailed out before the nuke went off). Then one minute later they reveal Bruce as alive.
CrocMother
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Bruce fixed the auto pilot.
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
so was the last scene officially a nod to this?
Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb.
I noticed this too! The other one was with Bruce and I swear it was out of focus.
Because it's corrupt to the core.
I also feel bad that you hate the best movie in the series.
Halcyon
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This is something I noticed in the dark knight. There's a scene with Bruce and Rachel out on the balcony and when.she walks away Bruce is completely out of focus despite being the center of focus in that scene. Always thought it was odd.
-Pyromaniac-
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Ra's Al Ghul: You cannot lead these men unless you are prepared to do what is necessary to defeat evil.
Bruce Wayne: And where would I be leading these men?
Ra's Al Ghul: Gotham. As Gotham's favored son you will be ideally placed to strike at the heart of criminality.
Bruce Wayne: How?
Ra's Al Ghul: Gotham's time has come. Like Constantinople or Rome before it the city has become a breeding ground for suffering and injustice. It is beyond saving and must be allowed to die. This is the most important function of the League of Shadows. It is one we've performed for centuries. Gotham... must be destroyed.
What?
that's my problem with not immediately setting the nuke off. The stated, #1 goal of the organization is destroy Gotham... not make Batman suffer and watch his city slowly fall apart and THEN destroy it.
Vincent Alexander
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I don't know if my expectations were too high, but I did not like this movie. In fact, I can say I think I hate it. Levitt's character was a terrible waste of time that stole much needed screentime away from other characters. He also managed to be in my 2 least favorite scenes. When he shows up at Bruce's mansion and reveals he knows he is Batman and when he pretty much condemns Gordon for what he and Batman did at the end of The Dark Knight.
While I'm at it...might as well throw out that I felt Act 1 in this film was not good. They didn't do near of a good enough job showing how peaceful Gotham had become as to properly contrast with what it inevitably becomes because of Bane. I felt Gotham was more at peril in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. This one somehow didn't sell me on it...and I'm not sure why.
I really want to love this film, but I simply can't. Rambling over for now.
While I'm at it...might as well throw out that I felt Act 1 in this film was not good. They didn't do near of a good enough job showing how peaceful Gotham had become as to properly contrast with what it inevitably becomes because of Bane. I felt Gotham was more at peril in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. This one somehow didn't sell me on it...and I'm not sure why.
I really want to love this film, but I simply can't. Rambling over for now.
PantherLotus
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I must be the only one interpreting the ending differently than the "Blake/Robin becomes the next Batman" theory. Yes, I know Wayne's appearance with Catwoman at the cafe, not to mention Batman's faked death, implies that he's hanging it up.
But I don't get the conclusion that just because Batman invited Robin to a new/different batcave that he's passing the suit/persona onto a new generation. Instead, I think Nolan set up another film/future where both he and Robin fight crime together.
I mean, why fix the bat signal for Gordon if you're not coming back?
The second thing, I absolutely love how Nolan handled villain/side-kick backstories and kept all of them well within the confines of 80% realistic universe, rather than just having costume-wearing buffoons (and where Batman is really the only one that actually dresses up). I like that he doesn't really have to name them, Scarecrow, Joker, Catwoman, Two-Face, Robin. We all know who they are, but he leaves them in a realm where we believe they might actually exist. I dunno, I think it's a fantastic touch.
But I don't get the conclusion that just because Batman invited Robin to a new/different batcave that he's passing the suit/persona onto a new generation. Instead, I think Nolan set up another film/future where both he and Robin fight crime together.
I mean, why fix the bat signal for Gordon if you're not coming back?
The second thing, I absolutely love how Nolan handled villain/side-kick backstories and kept all of them well within the confines of 80% realistic universe, rather than just having costume-wearing buffoons (and where Batman is really the only one that actually dresses up). I like that he doesn't really have to name them, Scarecrow, Joker, Catwoman, Two-Face, Robin. We all know who they are, but he leaves them in a realm where we believe they might actually exist. I dunno, I think it's a fantastic touch.
brandonh83
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What I got from it was that they hated all the crime in Gotham and considered it to be nothing but a cesspool of violence. Which is actually really amusing when you think about it.
Salvor.Hardin
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The nuke definitely pulled me a bit out of the movie. The entire movie was building up to more of a psychological climax than anything else, and then it ends with a hokey countdown.
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