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The_Technomancer said:
When you think about it...the "nuke the city" plan is completely out of line with the league's methods. They're supposed to be working in the, hah, shadows. IIRC they're setting up Crane as a fall guy in BB. In TDKR Bane just marches into the city and says "yeah, I'm going to nuke everyone"
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Bane and Talia weren't really representing the League though. They were fulfilling Ra's destiny, and in that sense represented the League, but they weren't there to enact the plan the same way Ra's would. Their idea of fulfilling Ra's destiny was simply that, at the end of the day (or rather at the end of the plan) Gotham would be in ashes. Their methods were their own, however.

And I mean Talia, at least, was in the shadows with her infiltration. She used Bane as "theatricality and deception". It also makes sense that Bane's methods weren't in line with the League's seeing as how he was excommunicated by them.
 
The result, in Christopher Nolan's conclusion to his Batman trilogy, is an ambitious superhero movie with two surprises: It isn't very much fun, and it doesn't have very much Batman. I'm thinking of the over-the-top action sequences of the earlier films that had a subcurrent of humor, and the exhilarating performance of Heath Ledger as the Joker. This movie is all serious drama, with a villain named Bane whose Hannibal Lecterish face-muzzle robs him of personality. And although we see a good deal of Bruce Wayne, his alter-ego Batman makes only a few brief appearances before the all-out climax.
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Spot-on comment from Ebert. Fix the pacing and editing problems and this would become a pretty good movie but it really didn't feel like a Batman movie.
 
Messofanego said:
Do you want something like Ang Lee's Hulk?
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Like I said a few pages ago, disagreement seems to usually come with "well what DID you want, an army of tangerines burning down Gotham just to find a ruby!?!?!"

No. I wouldn't want anything stupid, which is why I didn't like it, because I felt like it was a dumb, cheap and easy direction to go in.

DMczaf said:
When you started saying a nuke is more comical than a microwave emitter, come on now?
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I didn't. I said that the emitter is probably more comical than a nuke.
 
brandonh83 said:
Like I said a few pages ago, disagreement seems to usually come with "well what DID you want, an army of tangerines burning down Gotham just to find a ruby!?!?!"

No. I wouldn't want anything stupid, which is why I didn't like it, because I felt like it was a dumb, cheap and easy direction to go in.
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I wish you'd explain yourself better. The way your saying it can be said of virtually any movie. "A clockwork orange was dumb. The way it ended was a dumb, cheap, easy direction to go in". How could you prove me wrong when I'm not supporting my statements with anything?
 
Veelk said:
I wish you'd explain yourself better. The way your saying it can be said of virtually any movie. "A clockwork orange was dumb. The way it ended was a dumb, cheap, easy direction to go in". How could you prove me wrong when I'm not supporting my statements with anything?
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No, I've explained pretty well why I thought it was dumb. What else can I say about it? I didn't like the nuclear bomb plot. I think it's overdone and I think they could have come up with something vastly more interesting and creative. I thought it felt out of place and I thought Batman flying it away from the city with a big nuclear explosion was jumping the shark.

Also... I'm not trying to prove you or anyone wrong. How can I do that? Discussions aren't about proving anyone wrong, they're about expressing personal viewpoints. All I'm doing is trying to explain why I personally didn't like it.
 
CracknutWhirrun said:
Can someone whose favorite movie of the trilogy is Batman Begins explain to me what they liked so much about it, or why they liked it more than TDK or TDKR? I love the movie, but I feel like it gets far too much love here
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Overall atmosphere and depiction of Gotham, Batman fighting crime lords and thugs instead of terrorists, I liked the insanity gas plot a lot more then anything Bane did (although Joker's crime spree still tops it) and I loved Crane's performance. I hesitate to give it points for being a fantastic origin story as well since the other two movies can't exactly compete on that front. If I had to sum up my complaints with TDK and TDKR I'd say that they felt too grounded in too many ways, especially TDKR. Dropping Batman into a contemporary action movie does not make it a Batman movie
 
I was fine with the ending except for the fact that his name was actually "Robin." Absolutely stupid. If she had just called him Mr. Grayson or something I would have been okay with it.
 
I just realized... The Dark Knight Manual? That's essentially Blake's starter guide to all of Bruce's equipment and the events that led him to this point. It's not like he's starting completely blind.

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Enough of the complaining (though I understand some of them even if they didn't bother me as much).

My favorite moments were any with Alfred crying and pleading with Bruce. Wish there 1-2 more scenes of their interaction and Alfred wasn't just gone for 2/3 of the movie.

I loved loved loved the whole sequence where Bruce decides to become Batman again. Starting from Bane and his men taking over the stock exchange (the gun shots and brutality of the beat-downs was great) followed by a cool escape on bikes to finally Batman coming back. Everyone hates the cops but I loved the one old cop (call back from the first movie) telling the rookie "You are in for a treat tonight son". When the music kicked in at that moment it was perfect.

Beautifully shot too especially with it ending on the BAT.
 
Pai Pai Master said:
I was fine with the ending except for the fact that his name was actually "Robin." Absolutely stupid. If she had just called him Mr. Grayson or something I would have been okay with it.
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She should've stopped after telling him she liked his real name better and leave it to the people in the audience who aren't morons to make some guesses. This movie was terrible with beating you over the head with things anyone with a brain could've put together.


Dany M said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2aPiUxRrV4&feature=channel&list=UL

I love that song.
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This one, I believe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN08gQWq3i4
 
Pai Pai Master said:
I was fine with the ending except for the fact that his name was actually "Robin." Absolutely stupid. If she had just called him Mr. Grayson or something I would have been okay with it.
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He's not going to be robin though so that's fine. I would have preferred terry as his name but nobody would get it. They had to go with robin to show a successor.
 
Vincent Alexander said:
She should've stopped after telling him she liked his real name better and leave it to the people in the audience who aren't morons to make some guesses. This movie was terrible with beting you over the head with things anyone with a brain could've put together.
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Oh god yes: "You have the clean slate program?" "You mean the program that you put your name and birthday into and it wipes you from all records?"
 
brandonh83 said:
No, I've explained pretty well why I thought it was dumb. What else can I say about it? I didn't like the nuclear bomb plot. I think it's overdone and I think they could have come up with something vastly more interesting and creative. I thought it felt out of place and I thought Batman flying it away from the city with a big nuclear explosion was jumping the shark.
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I understand your earlier statement about not feeling obligated to come up with ideas yourself, but I don't think you should make those kind of statements if your going to take that philosophy. If you admit you don't know anything about writing and cannot pull an idea for it yourself, how are you convinced that other people can? It's like saying "I'm no scientist, but I know for a fact that there is no reason that they couldn't have invented time travel yet!"

And, humor me please, just repeat what your explanation for why it was dumb was, because I apparently missed it.

Also... I'm not trying to prove you or anyone wrong. How can I do that? Discussions aren't about proving anyone wrong, they're about expressing personal viewpoints. All I'm doing is trying to explain why I personally didn't like it.
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I'm trying to prove YOU wrong. Maybe I can find some justification you missed by examining your stance by it, and you can gain an appreciation for the movie. But I can't do that if you don't give me your reasoning for why you think what you think. it's not about being proven right or anything like that, I'm just not seeing why you didn't enjoy the movie other than these vagaries you keep talking about. Maybe I can provide new insight for you or you can provide me some. That's what it's about.
 
The final 40 or so minutes of the movie was incredible. The rest was pretty good, with a few great moments.

I also thought Bane was a much better villain than The Joker.

I absolutely loathed one part.

I absolutely think it's pure bullshit that Bruce Wayne lived. That completely ruins that amazing Michael Caine speech. Fucking pissed me off.
 
PantherLotus said:
I must be the only one interpreting the ending differently than the "Blake/Robin becomes the next Batman" theory. Yes, I know Wayne's appearance with Catwoman at the cafe, not to mention Batman's faked death, implies that he's hanging it up.

But I don't get the conclusion that just because Batman invited Robin to a new/different batcave that he's passing the suit/persona onto a new generation. Instead, I think Nolan set up another film/future where both he and Robin fight crime together.

I mean, why fix the bat signal for Gordon if you're not coming back?
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Because BLAKE is going to become Batman. Bruce is done.
 
Vincent Alexander said:
She should've stopped after telling him she liked his real name better and leave it to the people in the audience who aren't morons to make some guesses. This movie was terrible with beating you over the head with things anyone with a brain could've put together.
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But the problem is that the absolute majority of the movie goers wouldn't get that. Not everyone in the theater has seen BB and TDK as many times as we have, and some of them may not have even seen one or either of those at all.

It's Nolan's last Batman film, and he wanted to throw a bunch of fan service in there for the Batman fans. That's completely understandable, but for him to do it he had to make it less subtle than some of us here would have preferred.
 
The brawl with the cops and robbers was pretty bad when you look at the people fighting. These couldn't be real stunt men because it was some pretty horrible fake fighting.
 
The_Technomancer said:
Overall atmosphere and depiction of Gotham, Batman fighting crime lords and thugs instead of terrorists, I liked the insanity gas plot a lot more then anything Bane did (although Joker's crime spree still tops it) and I loved Crane's performance. I hesitate to give it points for being a fantastic origin story as well since the other two movies can't exactly compete on that front. If I had to sum up my complaints with TDK and TDKR I'd say that they felt too grounded in too many ways, especially TDKR. Dropping Batman into a contemporary action movie does not make it a Batman movie
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Fair enough, I can totally dig how you liked the atmosphere of Gotham in BB more so than the other two movies, I totally agree with that
 
The Mana Legend said:
The final 40 or so minutes of the movie was incredible. The rest was pretty good, with a few great moments.

I also thought Bane was a much better villain than The Joker.

Except one part.

I absolutely think it's pure bullshit that Bruce Wayne lived. That completely ruins that amazing Michael Caine speech. Fucking pissed me off.
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If he died, then it would've conflicted with what he learned in Prison and with Alfred wanting a better life for him. It would've been a lesser ending if he did die.
 
The Mana Legend said:
The final 40 or so minutes of the movie was incredible. The rest was pretty good, with a few great moments.

I also thought Bane was a much better villain than The Joker.

I absolutely loathed one part.

I absolutely think it's pure bullshit that Bruce Wayne lived. That completely ruins that amazing Michael Caine speech. Fucking pissed me off.
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Even if Nolan wanted Batman dead. I doubt Warners would let that happen. Not with toys and merch to sell.

Mommy, Batmans dead, don't really want his action figure anymore.

Spidey on the other hand....
 
Teh Hamburglar said:
The brawl with the cops and robbers was pretty bad when you look at the people fighting. These couldn't be real stunt men because it was some pretty horrible fake fighting.
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Do yourself a favor and never look at the extras in big battle scenes.

Gangs of New York's battle scene was ruined for me.
 
The_Technomancer said:
Oh god yes: "You have the clean slate program?" "You mean the program that you put your name and birthday into and it wipes you from all records?"
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I hated this line at first, until I realized he was just saying all of that to taunt her. "Sound a little too good to be true?" solidified that.

It still sounded cheesy, but him saying it to taunt her justifies it more than if he was just simply explaining the Clean Slate for the audience.
 
Something that doesn't get mentioned a lot that I liked: the Ken Adam-style set design. It really gave the movie that comic-booky atmosphere, with the eleborate lairs and fun locations.
 
I understand that WB is busy with other things this weekend, but it's insane that the ending has been up on Youtube for 2 whole days, with no intent to even hide it with subversive titles. Nope, a video straight up called THE DARK KNIGHT RISES ENDING has been up for 48 hours :lol

Anyways, lets RISE together!
 
Veelk said:
I understand your earlier statement about not feeling obligated to come up with ideas yourself, but I don't think you should make those kind of statements if your going to take that philosophy. If you admit you don't know anything about writing and cannot pull an idea for it yourself, how are you convinced that other people can? It's like saying "I'm no scientist, but I know for a fact that there is no reason that they couldn't have invented time travel yet!"

And, humor me please, just repeat what your explanation for why it was dumb was, because I apparently missed it.
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I didn't say that either. Not knowing at the current point in time, while put on the spotlight, what I would have did instead doesn't mean that I know nothing about writing.

All I said was is that I'm not the writer on this film, and I haven't sat down to work out what I would have did differently. But do I have faith that the Nolans could have? Based on how supremely intelligent and gifted they have proven themselves to be in their past work, yes I do.

And once again: I thought it was dumb because the nuclear bomb was such an easy solution for everything-- a way to blow up Gotham, a way to establish intensity, a reason for the chase scene at the end, a way to make everyone think Bruce/Batman had died, a way to add an "epic" image to the climax with the mushroom cloud-- it was just a cheap and easy way to set up the finale. I find it overdone to the point where I wasn't engaged or pulled into the scenario.

Also like I said above, the last thing I'm trying to do is prove an opinion wrong. I simply dislike it when I have an opinion about something, unless I can sit here and right here and now come up with something better than professional screenwriters, I better keep my mouth shut because clearly I have no idea what I'm talking about unless I could flat out write up some better script.

I can't do that. What I can do is express reasons as to why I was completely turned off by the climax.
 
Teh Hamburglar said:
The brawl with the cops and robbers was pretty bad when you look at the people fighting. These couldn't be real stunt men because it was some pretty horrible fake fighting.
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Yeah...I wish I didn't pay attention too closely, but the overhead shot when they first clashed was awful. Whoever I was watching on the baddies side just ran past a bunch of cops with a fist raised, stopped in the middle and kept spinning in circles like he was chasing his tail. That scene did not start well....thankfully the actual Batman/Bane fight was badass.

zethren said:
But the problem is that the absolute majority of the movie goers wouldn't get that. Not everyone in the theater has seen BB and TDK as many times as we have, and some of them may not have even seen one or either of those at all.
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Mrmm...I guess I can see your point here.
 
Solo said:
I understand that WB is busy with other things this weekend, but it's insane that the ending has been up on Youtube for 2 whole days, with no intent to even hide it with subversive titles. Nope, a video straight up called THE DARK KNIGHT RISES ENDING has been up for 48 hours :lol

Anyways, lets RISE together!
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I love how Bruce throws the rope down, while Talia didn't.

poetry.
 
Reiko said:
Alfred got what he deserved for doubting Bruce.
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I thought about this earlier, and to be fair it's pretty brutal from Bruce to let Alfred suffer like that. I mean, he made Alfred go through hell even though Alfred had the best intentions. Alfred was never a fan of "the Batman" but he supported Bruce every step of the way. The guy was Bruce's butler, foster parent and guard for his entire life.

I understand that it makes sense from a "happy movie ending" point of view, but it was just a dick move to not inform Alread sooner.
 
Also, something fucking terrifying happened at my movie theater.

The projector went out. Then somebody went and opened the Emergency Exit door and waved his hands. Everybody started freaking out.

Turns out, he was just calling in the manager of the movie theater.

You'd think they'd be able to handle that situation a little more tactfully.
 
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