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[FlutterPuffs]

Also, am I the only one that thought Bane was the best part about the movie? I was never a big fan of Heath Ledger Joker (he didn't accomplish a damn thing), while Bane was terrifying and fucked so much shit up. Not to mention, Nolan somehow managed to make the only scene between Talia/Bane incredibly effective. The acting that Hardy did with his eyes was incredible.

I disagree with this. Joker effectively corrupted Harvey Dent, and nearly sent Gotham tumbling into chaos, which was his main objective in the movie. The only way Batman and Gordon managed to stop it was painting Dent as a martyr and Batman as the villain.

I agree with that. The parting shot should have been with Bruce, not the next generation.

The imagery ties in with the movie, The Dark Knight Rises (The rising pavement with Robin at the end). Bruce/Batman has done what he wanted to accomplish, making a symbol that motivates the city to change.

 

[Tookay]

it's beautiful


indeed they did!

Like I'm not kidding, Bale and Caine really put it all into this one. You could tell they realized this movie was it for them, and they came out swinging.

That relationship was perfect.

 

[TheKaeptain]

People need to factor in that Bruce was fucking broke by the end.

 

[brandonh83]

I don't think it was coincidence. Bruce must have kept tracks on him. Alfred was going to the cafe under the impression Bruce is dead, he seems like a confused and grief ridden man. Bruce is looking at him, he's tracked him.

Okay, but I don't think that they would never speak again just because of things that happened before. He's seeing someone that he deeply cares for after being under the impression that they were dead.

Regardless of what was said and done before this, if one of your friends died and then you miraculously saw them again, would you be like, well what happened before sucks so I better not approach him and just nod at him?

Furthermore, my main beef about it in general is that we would have known what he was seeing at the cafe, and in our minds could have envisioned what followed. Showing them seeing each other, nodding, and going about their business I think closes the shop on what went down, and I simply had a big problem with that.

 

[Lionel Mandrake]

I know a lot of people view the ending as a cop-out, but I loved the happy ending. Had to hold back tears of joy.

Also, as a comic reader, I have to admit, I always wanted bruce and selina to get together. Seeing it happen was great.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

Some of you...a lot of you, need to watch the movie again.

 

[Solo]

Just continuing the tradition of Bruce/Alfred scenes being the best. I bet Bale and Caine drink like fucking maniacs when they hang out.

Real talk: I don't care how many hundreds more Batman movies get made, its scientifically impossible that Michael Caine's Alfred will ever be topped.

Real talk part two: I am going to shed so many tears when Caine dies :_(

 

[Messypandas]

It imagery ties in with the movie, The Dark Knight Rises. Bruce/Batman has done what he wanted to accomplish, making a symbol that motivates the city to change.

I agree with this. Bruce even mentions in it "I wanted to create a symbol that he could be anyone." The film is about Batman, and how his legacy will influence generations. Bruce has retired and a new recruit has taken the mantle

 

[Tookay]

It imagery ties in with the movie, The Dark Knight Rises. Bruce/Batman has done what he wanted to accomplish, making a symbol that motivates the city to change.

This is a good point. Like Solo, I understand what they went for, but I just would be happier parting with our main character in the final shot, than "the new guy."

 

[Sean]

Another reason to show Bruce nodding at the end was to provide closure for Selina/Catwoman's story. She's in the cafe with Bruce smiling and we assume they did the Clean Slate program thing to start fresh and live happily ever after.

 

[Carbonox]

Real talk: I don't care how many hundreds more Batman movies get made, its scientifically impossible that Michael Caine's Alfred will ever be topped.

Real talk part two: I am going to shed so many tears when Caine dies :_(

That thar be thy truth.

 

[harSon]

Some of you...a lot of you, need to watch the movie again.

I'll probably come out disliking the film more than I already do. The screenplay is like Swiss cheese, and only stands to worsen with continuous viewings.

 

[Dabanton]

Okay, but I don't think that they would never speak again just because of things that happened before. He's seeing someone that he deeply cares for after being under the impression that they were dead.

Regardless of what was said and done before this, if one of your friends died and then you miraculously saw them again, would you be like, well what happened before sucks so I better not approach him and just nod at him?

Furthermore, my main beef about it in general is that we would have known what he was seeing at the cafe, and in our minds could have envisioned what followed. Showing them seeing each other, nodding, and going about their business I think closes the shop on what went down, and I simply had a big problem with that.

It was perfect.

Alfred knew that Bruce was finally happy away from Gotham and actually living his life.

 

[Tookay]

I know a lot of people view the ending as a cop-out, but I loved the happy ending. Had to hold back tears of joy.

I honestly don't think it's too many.

Although I won't be surprised if in a few years time, people are trying to MGS4-ify the ending, saying that he should have died, just like Snake should have, or something.

 

[SJRB]

Ohhh you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man. By then it was nothing to me but blinding! The shadows betray you, because they belong to me!

 

[Escape Goat]

That thar be thy truth.

Michael Gough was Alfred. Michael Caine is just Michael Caine.

 

[The Mana Legend]

I disagree with this. Joker effectively corrupted Harvey Dent, and nearly sent Gotham tumbling into chaos, which was his main objective in the movie. The only way Batman and Gordon managed to stop it was painting Dent as a martyr and Batman as the villain.
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Joker's "corruption" was stopped though and Joker barely did any damage. Bane killed thousands of people and blew up half of the goddamn city.

The Joker...almost blew up two boats and actually stopped crime in Gotham by turning Harvey Dent corrupt.

 

[Sanjuro]

Michael Gough was Alfred. Michael Caine is just Michael Caine.

Michael Caine never cancelled the pizza.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

I'll probably come out disliking the film more than I already do. The screenplay is like Swiss cheese, and only stands to worsen with continuous viewings.

That's fine, as long as you digest the whole thing enough to form an opinion of it.

 

[FlutterPuffs]

I know a lot of people view the ending as a cop-out, but I loved the happy ending. Had to hold back tears of joy.

Oh fuck yes, I was happy with that.

I understand that many hated the fact that much of the movie takes place in daylight, but it works well in what it wanted to signify. Much of Batman Begins took place in the night with a brown palette, and The Dark Knight in a blue palette, the darkness before the dawn. The third shows that Gotham is finally starting to really change for the better.

Although yeah, the batsuit looks weird in the day time.

Joker's "corruption" was stopped though and Joker barely did any damage. Bane killed thousands of people and blew up half of the goddamn city.

The Joker...almost blew up two boats and actually stopped crime in Gotham by turning Harvey Dent corrupt.

He was winning all the way through the movie. He managed to kill the judge, and former commisioner of Gotham, fooled Batman into saving Harvey Dent instead of Rachel Dawes, and escapes after blowing up the police station with Lau who could've snitched on all of the mobsters' activities. He did not set out to kill, but to cause chaos.

Of course, he was stopped in the end, but at a great cost. The whole movie felt like Batman playing a fool to the Joker.

 

[Wilbur]

I keep watching that gif. Fuck, Caine's face when he spots Bruce. It's fucking killing me. It's absolutely breathtakingly wonderful.

Gonna address paragraphs one by one because I'm on my phone and can't be bothered to keep scrolling haha

Okay, but I don't think that they would never speak again just because of things that happened before. He's seeing someone that he deeply cares for after being under the impression that they were dead.

Well someone's said he got up. I can't remember exactly but he might be going to see him. But all he wants is to know Bruce is happy, to know that he hasn't failed Thomas and Martha. And he's done that.

Regardless of what was said and done before this, if one of your friends died and then you miraculously saw them again, would you be like, well what happened before sucks so I better not approach him and just nod at him?

My friends aren't batman

I guess it's the same as above; he's happy knowing Bruce is happy.

Furthermore, my main beef about it in general is that we would have known what he was seeing at the cafe, and in our minds could have envisioned what followed. Showing them seeing each other, nodding, and going about their business I think closes the shop on what went down, and I simply had a big problem with that.

For me, I love seeing Bruce. I love seeing Selina with Bruce. I love seeing them both look away because that's all Alfred wanted.

 

[The Mana Legend]

Michael Caine never cancelled the pizza.

But Batman got drivethru.

 

[Tookay]

How many billionaires were the most eligible bachelors in Gotham who made the headlines all of the time, and had just recently returned to Gotham? And how many of them were owners of the biggest company in Gotham?

This is a problem with perspective. We focused only on the main characters, but there was so much shit going on, I think it's easy to imagine Bruce's "death" being sort of lost in the crowd of details.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

Real talk part two: I am going to shed so many tears when Caine dies :_(

But he's lived as such a perfect badass. Don't be sad about his death. Be happy about his life.

 

[Messypandas]

Okay, but I don't think that they would never speak again just because of things that happened before. He's seeing someone that he deeply cares for after being under the impression that they were dead.

Regardless of what was said and done before this, if one of your friends died and then you miraculously saw them again, would you be like, well what happened before sucks so I better not approach him and just nod at him?

Furthermore, my main beef about it in general is that we would have known what he was seeing at the cafe, and in our minds could have envisioned what followed. Showing them seeing each other, nodding, and going about their business I think closes the shop on what went down, and I simply had a big problem with that.

Alfred knew everything he needed to know just seeing Bruce. He knew he'd finally freed himself of the guilt and burden of saving Gotham. What more needs to be said? Hows the knee? He knew he was finally happy now and they could live out the rest of their days

 

[Extra Sauce]

The most powerful aspect of that scene is Bruce finally allowing himself to wear purple.

Brings a tear to my eye.

 

[Wilbur]

Oh fuck yes, I was happy with that.

I understand that many hated the fact that much of the movie takes place in daylight, but it works well in what it wanted to signify. Much of Batman Begins took place in the night with a brown palette, and The Dark Knight in a blue palette, the darkness before the dawn. The third shows that Gotham is finally starting to really change for the better.

Although yeah, the batsuit looks weird in the day time.

Darkness just before the dawn. Fucking awesome

 

[harSon]

I can't bring myself to sift through 80+ pages, but I can't be the only one bothered by the reactor not being destroyed until the very end? What purpose, other than propping up the second half of the film's plot, does the preservation of the reactor have for Bane and Miranda? They're obviously going to blow up the reactor core anyways, so why keep around the only fail safe in existence?

 

[The Outsider]

I know a lot of people view the ending as a cop-out, but I loved the happy ending. Had to hold back tears of joy.

Also, as a comic reader, I have to admit, I always wanted bruce and selina to get together. Seeing it happen was great.

I feel the same way.

Also, tons of clapping at my midnight during the cafe reveal. Good stuff.

 

[Sanjuro]

The most powerful aspect of that scene is Bruce finally allowing himself to wear purple.

Brings a tear to my eye.

Purple...purple for THE JOKER.

 

[Tookay]

Alfred knew everything he needed to know just seeing Bruce. He knew he'd finally freed himself of the guilt and burden of saving Gotham. What more needs to be said? Hows the knee? He knew he was finally happy now and they could live out the rest of their days

Furthermore, Alfred had to appreciate the effort Bruce must have gone through to track him down and make the fulfillment of his wish possible. That was enough.

 

[TDK Rises]

Just got back, even better the second time. Soooo damn good.

 

[TheKaeptain]

Real talk: I don't care how many hundreds more Batman movies get made, its scientifically impossible that Michael Caine's Alfred will ever be topped.

Real talk part two: I am going to shed so many tears when Caine dies :_(

Dude let's not talk about that. Grew up loving Caine. Get Carter, Sleuth, The Muppet Christmas Carol, and Alfie...

Also, I am going to say he gets the Nom for best supporting actor.

 

[Mr. Fix]

Oh fuck yes, I was happy with that.

I understand that many hated the fact that much of the movie takes place in daylight, but it works well in what it wanted to signify. Much of Batman Begins took place in the night with a brown palette, and The Dark Knight in a blue palette, the darkness before the dawn. The third shows that Gotham is finally starting to really change for the better.

Although yeah, the batsuit looks weird in the day time.

Not to mention the cops actually doing something; taking back their city.

 

[LonelyIsland]

Whenever Anne Hathaway was on and during the ending:

 

[Sanjuro]

Also, I am going to say he gets the Nom for best supporting actor.

Zero percent chance.

 

[Wilbur]

I can't bring myself to sift through 80+ pages, but I can't be the only one bothered by the reactor not being destroyed until the very end? What purpose, other than propping up the second half of the film's plot, does the preservation of the reactor have for Bane and Miranda? They're obviously going to blow up the reactor core anyways, so why keep around the only fail safe in existence?

Well Miranda wanted to see Bruce suffer, there's no point blowing it if he doesn't know he's been fucked over by her. Just as she reveals it, the trigger stops working. A convenience of the script, but whatever, it's a Hollywood movie.

 

[zethren]

Just got back, even better the second time. Soooo damn good.

Considering going to see it a third time.

Three times is the max amount of times I'll see a movie in the theaters. I think the last time I saw a movie three times was Ironman and before that The Dark Knight.

 

[Messypandas]

I can't bring myself to sift through 80+ pages, but I can't be the only one bothered by the reactor not being destroyed until the very end? What purpose, other than propping up the second half of the film's plot, does the preservation of the reactor have for Bane and Miranda? They're obviously going to blow up the reactor core anyways, so why keep around the only fail safe in existence?

So you complain about the swiss cheese screenplay but failed to grasp the elemental plot at the films core. That it was a personal vendetta, enacted by Talia to destroy everything Bruce had hoped to achieve in Gotham and allow his body and soul to rot in a pit while seeing it unfold on a screen? Nuking it would have to easy, she wanted to torture it first

 

[RyanDG]

I can't bring myself to sift through 80+ pages, but I can't be the only one bothered by the reactor not being destroyed until the very end? What purpose, other than propping up the second half of the film's plot, does the preservation of the reactor have for Bane and Miranda? They're obviously going to blow up the reactor core anyways, so why keep around the only fail safe in existence?

The only thing I can justify it with is Ra's Al Ghul's comment in the first movie about making Bruce watch Gotham tear itself apart. I can *somewhat* justify possibly saying that Talia and Bane's vision for Gotham's destruction included this part of Ra's Al Ghul's plan before it's ultimate destruction.

However, with that said, after 3 or 4 months of Gotham at their mercy, it really served no other purpose other than movie script purposes and was one of the weakest parts of the plot.

 

[Solo]

I know a lot of people view the ending as a cop-out, but I loved the happy ending. Had to hold back tears of joy.

The ending is, in NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, a copout. It's the end of one of the biggest plot and emotional throughlines in the whole trilogy. When will Gotham no longer need Batman? Will Bruce ever be able to let go of Batman and the past? Will Bruce ever get a chance at redemption and a real life?

From BB:

Rachel Dawes: But then I found out about your mask.
Bruce Wayne: Batman's just a symbol, Rachel.
Rachel Dawes: [Rachel touches Bruce's face] No, *this* is your mask. Your real face is the one that criminals now fear. The man I loved - the man who vanished - he never came back at all. But maybe he's still out there, somewhere. Maybe some day, when Gotham no longer needs Batman, I'll see him again.

From TDK:

Rachel Dawes: Dear Bruce. I need to be honest and clear. I'm going to marry Harvey Dent. I love him, and I want to spend the rest of my life with him. When I told you that if Gotham no longer needed Batman we could be together, I meant it. But now I'm sure the day won't come when *you* no longer need Batman. I hope it does; and if it does I will be there, but as your friend. I'm sorry to let you down. If you lose your faith in me, please keep your faith in people. Love, now and always, Rachel.

TDKR provided an incredible ending to all of this. That final Bruce/Alfred shot was the climax of the emotional core of the whole series. The catharsis.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

Dude let's not talk about that. Grew up loving Caine. Get Carter, Sleuth, The Muppet Christmas Carol, and Alfie...

Also, I am going to say he gets the Nom for best supporting actor.

Don't forget Blame It on Rio!

 

[The Mana Legend]

Dude let's not talk about that. Grew up loving Caine. Get Carter, Sleuth, The Muppet Christmas Carol, and Alfie...

Also, I am going to say he gets the Nom for best supporting actor.

As good as Caine was, there is no way he is going to get nominated. There's no major press behind his performance like there was with Ledger. And this is a summer movie that isn't nearly as well regarded as The Dark Knight. His performance will be forgotten come Oscar time.

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

Am I the only one under the impression that Alfred had already been contacted by Bruce? The smile and nod is more like 'good to see you' rather than 'holy fucking shit you're alive.'

 

[The Outsider]

The ending is, in NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, a copout. It's the end of one of the biggest plot and emotional throughlines in the whole trilogy. When will Gotham no longer need Batman? Will Bruce ever be able to let go of Batman and the past? Will Bruce ever get a chance at redemption and a real life?

From BB:

Rachel Dawes: But then I found out about your mask.
Bruce Wayne: Batman's just a symbol, Rachel.
Rachel Dawes: [Rachel touches Bruce's face] No, *this* is your mask. Your real face is the one that criminals now fear. The man I loved - the man who vanished - he never came back at all. But maybe he's still out there, somewhere. Maybe some day, when Gotham no longer needs Batman, I'll see him again.

From TDK:

Rachel Dawes: Dear Bruce. I need to be honest and clear. I'm going to marry Harvey Dent. I love him, and I want to spend the rest of my life with him. When I told you that if Gotham no longer needed Batman we could be together, I meant it. But now I'm sure the day won't come when *you* no longer need Batman. I hope it does; and if it does I will be there, but as your friend. I'm sorry to let you down. If you lose your faith in me, please keep your faith in people. Love, now and always, Rachel.

TDKR provided an incredible ending to all of this.

Solo... you're the man.

 

[Messypandas]

Purple...purple for THE JOKER.

I never meant to cause you any sorrow.
I never meant to cause you any pain.
I only wanted to one time see you laughing.
I only wanted to see you laughing purple Bane.

Purple Bane Purple Bane

 

[JoeInky]

Keeping that failsafe reactor still available even though it's completely unneccessary to on first glance ties into the theme of giving people hope only to have it taken away from them.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Solo dropping bombs.

 

[harSon]

Well Miranda wanted to see Bruce suffer, there's no point blowing it if he doesn't know he's been fucked over by her. Just as she reveals it, the trigger stops working. A convenience of the script, but whatever, it's a Hollywood movie.

I'm pretty sure Bruce knowing that the only device capable of disarming the core has been destroyed would be more of a mind fuck, especially over the long term, than the path they chose to artificially prop up their 2nd and 3rd acts. The bomb is still set on a timer regardless of the reactor's existence.

And Nolan is touted as the 'intelligent' side of Hollywood, as someone not succumbing to its usual pitfalls, so I'm not going to give him (or any other film) a pass for shitty screenwriting.

 

[Tookay]

The ending is, in NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, a copout. It's the end of one of the biggest plot and emotional throughlines in the whole trilogy. When will Gotham no longer need Batman? Will Bruce ever be able to let go of Batman and the past? Will Bruce ever get a chance at redemption and a real life?

From BB:

Rachel Dawes: But then I found out about your mask.
Bruce Wayne: Batman's just a symbol, Rachel.
Rachel Dawes: [Rachel touches Bruce's face] No, *this* is your mask. Your real face is the one that criminals now fear. The man I loved - the man who vanished - he never came back at all. But maybe he's still out there, somewhere. Maybe some day, when Gotham no longer needs Batman, I'll see him again.

From TDK:

Rachel Dawes: Dear Bruce. I need to be honest and clear. I'm going to marry Harvey Dent. I love him, and I want to spend the rest of my life with him. When I told you that if Gotham no longer needed Batman we could be together, I meant it. But now I'm sure the day won't come when *you* no longer need Batman. I hope it does; and if it does I will be there, but as your friend. I'm sorry to let you down. If you lose your faith in me, please keep your faith in people. Love, now and always, Rachel.

TDKR provided an incredible ending to all of this. That final Bruce/Alfred shot was the climax of the emotional core of the whole series. The catharsis.

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Ironically.