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Osietra said:
Are the fights actually well shot this time? Inception gave me vague hope that Nolans learning how to.
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Not particularly. I think that the fight choreography is leaps and bounds better here than it has been the rest of the series, but its not shot in any kind of interesting way.
 
I like everything about the movie except the ending. I really don't feel like absconding away with Catwoman and leaving someone else to handle the sacrifice of being Batman as a very "Batman" thing to do. I always felt the character in both the first two movies and a number of the comics would die with the mantle, unable to let someone else make the same sacrifices while he goes on retirement. If you remove the scene at the restaurant, the ending would be perfect.
 
Solo said:
Not particularly. I think that the fight choreography is leaps and bounds better here than it has been the rest of the series, but its not shot in any kind of interesting way.
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Rewatching the final fight, I loved how it turned into a boxing match. Batman dodging and countering while Bane is unleashing bombs.

This movie is Rocky III, IV and V!
 
I've seen everything now. I'm not sure which crowd is more ridiculous, the "Alfred was hallucinating at the end" people or the "Where was Two-Face?" guys.
 
Alchemy said:
I like everything about the movie except the ending. I really don't feel like absconding away with Catwoman and leaving someone else to handle the sacrifice of being Batman as a very "Batman" thing to do. I always felt the character in both the first two movies and a number of the comics would die with the mantle, unable to let someone else make the same sacrifices while he goes on retirement. If you remove the scene at the restaurant, the ending would be perfect.
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But that goes against him learning near the end of the film that not being afraid to die for his cause isn't an asset and only makes him weaker.
 
DMczaf said:
They take it to the streets, Rocky V style!

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dat speed, dat ferocity
 
Solo said:
I can pick out a favorite scene in both TDK and TDKR with ease. BB is MUCH tougher for me, as the entire first act never ceases to blow my mind no matter how many times I see it. So for now, just TDK and TDKR:


TDK:

- "I have to save him!" Gary Oldman fucking slays me in this scene. He sounds so utterly defeated and in such despair. He feels total guilt and responsibility for what Dent has become.

TDKR:

- "RISE". One of those moments of audiovisual euphoria that makes you want to stand up and cheer along with the prisoners. Just a really epic, uplifting moment.
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This one always get to me, from the Dark Knight: Harvey, waking up at the hospital.
 
Solo said:
Not particularly. I think that the fight choreography is leaps and bounds better here than it has been the rest of the series, but its not shot in any kind of interesting way.
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well, there aren't nearly as many quick cuts and it doesn't look wobbly so they are a huge step up from BB and TDK in that way.
 
gketter said:
To be badass Internet movie critics. I sometimes wonder if people even enjoy things anymore or are they so obsessed at picking things apart and being armchair directors. Part of me wants to blame redlettermedia and people inspired by it, not realizing what he was actually doing in those videos.
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Or maybe we don't love it as much as you.

Jesus , drop this argument. It's not like this movie defines film.
 
Draconian said:
I've seen everything now. I'm not sure which crowd is more ridiculous, the "Alfred was hallucinating at the end" people or the "Where was Two-Face?" guys.
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I like the guy asking if fox was alive. HE'S in scenes later in the film. How are people missing this? And you wonder why things have to be so literal in exposition. Even when it's very clear and told to the audience people still question it.
 
I don't think Nolan's shot selection for action sequences has gotten better, but what I WILL give him props for with TDKR's action is holding a number of shots a lot longer than he did in the earlier movies. There were a number of fairly lengthy Batpod shots and fight scene shots in which I admired his restraint in not editing them to shit.
 
You know the problem with having the Man of Steel trailer before TDKR? The first thought that pops in my head when Batman is in the prison and it shows the state Gotham has become was "Goddamnit, where the fuck is Superman."
 
I thought that as time passed and I mulled over this movie more that I would find more flaws, but instead I'm finding more great and poetic moments and realising just how fantastic the ending was. Movie's going up in my mind all the time
 
Superimposer said:
I thought that as time passed and I mulled over this movie more that I would find more flaws, but instead I'm finding more great and poetic moments and realising just how fantastic the ending was. Movie's going up in my mind all the time
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Me too. Really need to see it again.
 
Detox said:
Are you implying every movie is predictable and thus I should find them all boring?
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I was just teasing you for disagreeing with my opinion on the basis that because it was the third jump and we knew he was going to make it, that makes it boring.
 
JoeInky said:
But that goes against him learning near the end of the film that not being afraid to die for his cause isn't an asset and only makes him weaker.
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Being afraid to die is fine, its what keeps people alive. But that doesn't make it right to leave behind something you've started and allow others to sacrifice instead of you when you're still capable. Even if he isn't physically capable anymore (which I could buy based on the hospital scene), he can still train his replacement and provide support. Robin is pretty much fucked, because he doesn't even have a trusty butler to stitch him back up after a run in with some dogs.
 
Abdozer said:
because bane was mad as shit, and his mask was partially broken so yeah, he was mad as shit and was in pain
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I think at first he was just mad. I took it as him trying to do as much damage to batman before the pain started making it unbearable for him to fight.
 
Messypandas said:
so in retrospect, everyones favourite moment from the series?

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"You thought we could be decent men in an indecent time"

The mood, the unbelievable score, the lighting, the hopeless sense of dread. Everything so perfectly surmised the loftier ideas in the comic in this one scene. And Eckart was the unsung hero of TDK
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yeah, great scene. It gets me every time I watch The Dark Knight.

When Harvey says "why was it me who lost everything?" and Batman pauses before quietly saying "It wasn't."
 
gketter said:
I like the guy asking if fox was alive. HE'S in scenes later in the film. How are people missing this? And you wonder why things have to be so literal in exposition. Even when it's very clear and told to the audience people still question it.
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Exactly. We have people in this thread complaining about BB flashbacks treating the audience as dumb, while at the same time people don't get the ending or remember obvious plot points from the previous films.
 
This should have been split into two movies, ala Harry Potter's finale. The had to cram too much stuff into too little time.

First movie - Up until the cops get trapped and Bane gives the speech in front of the courthouse or whatever it was, and Wayne in the prison.

Then the second movie would start from there.

They'd be able to flesh things out a lot more this way. Show how terrible Gotham has gotten. They'd be able to add a lot more details to flesh things out.
 
SlipperySlope said:
This should have been split into two movies, ala Harry Potter's finale. The had to cram too much stuff into too little time.

First movie - Up until the cops get trapped and Bane gives the speech in front of the courthouse or whatever it was, and Wayne in the prison.

Then the second movie would start from there.

They'd be able to flesh things out a lot more this way. Show how terrible Gotham has gotten. They'd be able to add a lot more details to flesh things out.
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yeah i wonder how it could've been if Nolan decided to split it up, basically what you said.
 
Linkzg said:
yeah, great scene. It gets me every time I watch The Dark Knight.

When Harvey says "why was it me who lost everything?" and Batman pauses before quietly saying "It wasn't."
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Best part of that particular scene for me is Harvey's "we thought we could be decent men, in an indecent time!" Something about that line reading and the way the music oscillates in that moment is pure magic for me.
 
SlipperySlope said:
This should have been split into two movies, ala Harry Potter's finale. The had to cram too much stuff into too little time.

First movie - Up until the cops get trapped and Bane gives the speech in front of the courthouse or whatever it was, and Wayne in the prison.

Then the second movie would start from there.

They'd be able to flesh things out a lot more this way. Show how terrible Gotham has gotten. They'd be able to add a lot more details to flesh things out.
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But we know how bad it got in Gotham, there was snow.
 
SlipperySlope said:
This should have been split into two movies, ala Harry Potter's finale. The had to cram too much stuff into too little time.

First movie - Up until the cops get trapped and Bane gives the speech in front of the courthouse or whatever it was, and Wayne in the prison.

Then the second movie would start from there.

They'd be able to flesh things out a lot more this way. Show how terrible Gotham has gotten. They'd be able to add a lot more details to flesh things out.
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Yeah I was thinking about how a cool a film where Gotham was occupied by the criminals for the entirety of the film would be. Almost like a large scale Arkham City.

We could see more of the iconic villains rise up, and if Ledger hadn't died he would have been vying for control of the city away from Bane with his clown goons.

Would be a neat thing to see.
 
Alchemy said:
Being afraid to die is fine, its what keeps people alive. But that doesn't make it right to leave behind something you've started and allow others to sacrifice instead of you when you're still capable. Even if he isn't physically capable anymore (which I could buy based on the hospital scene), he can still train his replacement and provide support. Robin is pretty much fucked, because he doesn't even have a trusty butler to stitch him back up after a run in with some dogs.
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Dude's entitled to a life. His cause was to inspire people. Not necessarily to run around in rubber suits, but to stand up to injustice.

I don't think Batman twisted Blakes arm in any way. That guy wanted to be Batman in the worst way.

He basically tells Gordon he can't work in shackles. That says it all.

I don't think Bruce would give a crap if Blake didn't take up the mantle.
 
Solo said:
I don't think Nolan's shot selection for action sequences has gotten better, but what I WILL give him props for with TDKR's action is holding a number of shots a lot longer than he did in the earlier movies. There were a number of fairly lengthy Batpod shots and fight scene shots in which I admired his restraint in not editing them to shit.
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He's learning though I suppose, and it'll be interesting to see his Bond flick.


That sounds hugely pompous.
 
SlipperySlope said:
This should have been split into two movies, ala Harry Potter's finale. The had to cram too much stuff into too little time.

First movie - Up until the cops get trapped and Bane gives the speech in front of the courthouse or whatever it was, and Wayne in the prison.

Then the second movie would start from there.

They'd be able to flesh things out a lot more this way. Show how terrible Gotham has gotten. They'd be able to add a lot more details to flesh things out.
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Oh yes, if there's one artistic problem the movie had is that everything looked too 'clean' even after Gotham fell.

The other is the lack of blood. The dead ex-commisioner looked like he was sleeping.
 
Solo said:
Best part of that particular scene for me is Harvey's "we thought we could be decent men, in an indecent time!" Something about that line reading and the way the music oscillates in that moment is pure magic for me.
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To cap it off having harvey pointing a gun at Gordon's son and forcing him to tell him it's all going to be ok is so dark and twisted. I love that whole scene.
 
echothreealpha said:
Oh yes, if there's one artistic problem the movie had is that everything looked too 'clean' even after Gotham fell.

The other is the lack of blood. The dead ex-commisioner looked like he was sleeping.
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This movie would be a nightmare with an R rating.

We could have seen Bane's gangs really doing some serious shit. Executions in the streets. Grim shit that would have set up the stakes more.

Whatever. I'll live with what was implied.
 
Sorcerer said:
Dude's entitled to a life. His cause was to inspire people. Not necessarily to run around in rubber suits, but to stand up to injustice.

I don't think Batman twisted Blakes arm in any way. That guy wanted to be Batman in the worst way.

He basically tells Gordon he can't work in shackles. That says it all.

I don't think Bruce would give a crap if Blake didn't take up the mantle.
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*jaw dropped*

If you took out the death of his parents and read the screenplay of this movie, would you even know it's batman?
 
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