Ah gawd I totally read that in my mind in Bane's voice.
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Ah gawd I totally read that in my mind in Bane's voice.
Wouldn't Alfred eventually get the money back from the trades too?
NYR
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...so basically you didn't understand a single word said in your head?
SerArthurDayne
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CosmicGroinPull
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And Gordon going up to that rooftop at dawn everyday to read up on reports. He was all alone for 8 years. Just beautiful.
I rewatched begins over the weekend too... amazes me how much more comic book like, how much more gotham city is meant to be in Begins (the train, wayne tower, the narrows, arkham asylum) compared to both Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises.... in DKR it just feels like Manhattan... plus so much of it was during the day... the most spectacular scene in DKR is the plane heist at the start.
a movie that looks better in 2005 than 2012 who would have thought...
nhlducks35
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That is pretty depressing. All the reward for his suffering is knowing his bestest friend is alive somewhere.
Hohh, so you think the dark is your ally?
He merely inhabited the darkness...I was born in it!
SCULLIBUNDO
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So I was thinking and.... why did Bruce fake his death?
Can Bruce Wayne not live in Italy and have sex with womens? Is he tax-dodging? Is he scared that there are even more LoS members that know Bruce Wayne = Batman?
I mean, he told pretty much every friend of his that already knew he was Bruce Wayne that he was alive. Was it all just so he could make Alfred cry?
Can Bruce Wayne not live in Italy and have sex with womens? Is he tax-dodging? Is he scared that there are even more LoS members that know Bruce Wayne = Batman?
I mean, he told pretty much every friend of his that already knew he was Bruce Wayne that he was alive. Was it all just so he could make Alfred cry?
Man did anyone else really like Bane's "stride" whenever he entered a room. hands on the collar of his vest, walking with absolute swagger. Tom Hardy did a fantastic job behind the mask and frankly I thought Bane turned out way better than I initially thought he could be when it was first revealed he was the the villian for the third film.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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I assume it was so he could get a "fresh start" while leaving all he had to those that needed it via his will.
Not telling Alfred immediately though? That was just to get back at him for not showing him Rachel's letter... that dick!
nhlducks35
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Did anyone cringe when Bane broke the Batman's back?
In the IMAX theater the crunch was so loud and painful sounding...
In the IMAX theater the crunch was so loud and painful sounding...
Like I said earlier in this thread... Alfred had that coming for doubting Bruce.
grimaced a bit during that fight, some of those blows sounded brutal in the theater.
fucking Bane man..
"..... then I will break you."
SCULLIBUNDO
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Did anyone cringe when Bane broke the Batman's back?
In the IMAX theater the crunch was so loud and painful sounding...
What are you talking about? There was no crunch. That's what I felt was lacking.
He has to make everybody think Bruce Wayne is dead for a fresh start? He can't just sell the mansion and piss off overseas? I'm telling you it was all for the Pennyworth tears.
Hero_of_the_Day
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I am either fucking crazy, or there was a crunch.
nhlducks35
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Are you sure? I'm pretty sure there was a distinctive crunch when his back broke, considering all the other sound effects they added when Batman was getting his ass beat.
his death allowed him to leave a home for the orphans, take care of Alfred and retreat into anonimity. Remember, Falcone told Bruce he'd have to go a thousand miles to meet someone who doesn't know his face.
I'm not down in the geographical location of Gotham, but I guess Florence is pretty far from Gotham City.
Edit;
there was a very distinct crunch.
SCULLIBUNDO
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That doesn't really answer my question. People in Florence not knowing his name has nothing to do with Bruce Wayne being dead back in Gotham and giving poor Alfred a heart attack. He can still leave his place to orphans. Wayne got Martyr syndrome.
What if Alfred necked himself in his depression? THEN WHAT BRUCE!
DONT MAKE ME GET BANNED!
SteveWinwood
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Sculli has finally gone insane.
The Xtortionist
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The sound in this movie was fucking amazing. Saw it in IMAX today and omfg that bass rumble when The Bat first flew in.
Buddha Beam
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Bane really does sound like someone doing a Sean Connery impression.
Hopefully the Internet comedy machine will do something funny with that. I can already hear Bane saying, "you're the man now, dog". haha
Hopefully the Internet comedy machine will do something funny with that. I can already hear Bane saying, "you're the man now, dog". haha
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Alfred seeing Bruce was a vision mere seconds after kicking the chair out from under himself you say?
FUCK
did you see it a second time yet, Sculli?
anyway, I've come around to Bane's voice. I love it now. That second watch really cleared a lot of things up. That scene with Daggett was awesome. "Speak of the devil, and he shall come."
His presence was mesmerizing. The part where he places the edge of hand on Daggett's shoulder and says "Do you feel like you're in charge?" was almost horrifying. The look in his eyes and his voice really sold it.
anyway, I've come around to Bane's voice. I love it now. That second watch really cleared a lot of things up. That scene with Daggett was awesome. "Speak of the devil, and he shall come."
His presence was mesmerizing. The part where he places the edge of hand on Daggett's shoulder and says "Do you feel like you're in charge?" was almost horrifying. The look in his eyes and his voice really sold it.
One of my favorite parts from the movie. Audience loved it as well.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Nope. And I'm not sure I will till it hits blu.
I think he was done being Batman and the only way to leave it all behind was to leave Gotham in able hands (Robin LOL) and get out of the whole Wayne-dynasty. Really cut everything that connected him with Gotham.
And then tap some of that Hathaway-ass. Hmmm-mmmm-MMMMMMM.
SCULLIBUNDO
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But he could have done that anyway. He could have told all those other philanthropists to shove it, because he was done giving a shit and they could take his house. He's moving out of this shit hole that gets attacked all the time. He could have still given JGL the keys to cave.
He's done. He just wanted to make Alfred cry in an act of pure cun
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soundscream
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Theatricality and deception are powerful weapons against the uninitiated...
But we are initiated.
Members of the league of shadows.
And you betrayed us!
Loved that whole scene.
But we are initiated.
Members of the league of shadows.
And you betrayed us!
Loved that whole scene.
It's always like this right after a movie comes out. Frankly these threads have a little bit of everything. Didn't we have a few people who thought the ending was open ended as to whether Alfred was actually seeing Bruce or just imagining :lol.
I just think that there were a lot of expectations with this movie, and when they didn't match for certain people they tend to go overboard (IMHO) with the criticisms.
Though I am slightly amused to see how quickly a number of fans have turned on Nolan and co.
Hero_of_the_Day
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Some people are complaining about dumb shit, but there is a good amount to complain about. I got it out of my system shortly after seeing it and have calmed on it all. I was pretty disappointed with it and think it was pretty easily Nolan's weakest movie (haven't seen Insomnia), and it pretty much all falls on the script. I am really wanting to see it again at the same time, though, so what the fuck ever.
I'll still be excited for Nolan's next film. Just no more trilogies please. I'm convinced you can't make a good third movie now. It's impossible.
ThanksVision
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So many people think the ending is some ambiguous mess. My sister, dad, and a few close family friends (all reasonably intelligent people) all came back unsure if Bruce was actually dead or not. So weird.
Ok, my thoughts. I'm a couple days later than most, but whatever. Wall o' Text incomin'
In short, loved it. More than the other 2? That's hard to tell...
First off, I'll start with the prologue. Bane's audio was definitely completely overhauled from the MI:4 preview. And you know what? I honestly think it was a lot better in the earlier version. It was definitely harder to understand, but I think the new one was ADR'd to hell and back. The old one was more frightening and robotic, with the "stiff" voice it had. However, in the breaking the Bat scene, Bane's voice was brilliant. I loved his calm and joyous demeanor as he rips this "legend" apart. The way he says, "I wondered what would break first. Your spirit? Or your body?" with such glee was chilling. And as many have stated, Hardy's acting with his eyes is amazing in this film. They also made Bane to be one hell of a terrifying villain, and it almost seemed to me like they may have stepped too far with the brutality in his murders. It surprised me with how dark things went. Either way, aside from the sometimes over-edited voice, I thought Bane was a great main villain (I also understand why they changed the voice- since everyone was complaining about the old one. I just happened to like the old ones more). There's obviously no comparison to Ledger's performance, but I feel that's unfair to Hardy. He did a good job.
That brings me to the fight scenes. The aforementioned Batman vs. Bane round 1 fight was really really good. It really surprised me that a Nolan film could pull off a fistfight so well. BB and TDK had great atmosphere in their fights, like the dockyard in BB or the parking garage in TDK, but the editing was pretty bad. The Bane fights, both the sewer one and the Wall Street one had excellent editing and choreography. I really liked both of those fights, and even some of the other fistfights, like when Batman saves Blake, had better action in them. Nothing ever reaches the stupidity of the action in the nightclub scene in TDK.
Speaking of action, let's talk about the other major action scenes. The plane one is spectacular, and I'll always remember seeing that one. Can't wait to see more documentaries on how they did that one. Bane's takeover of the city is sufficiently brutal, as I stated, but again, some of the neck snapping just really unnerved me, but it fit his character well, certainly. One question I have though, is uh, what happened to Hines Ward? Did he just run away? It'd be kinda awkward with him on the field during Bane's speech, too...
I think it's kind of strange how the trailers showed a lot of the final fight, with the Bat, the Tumblers and the Bomb Truck. I wish they wouldn't have shown that that fight would happen, but I understand why they did, since the movie's not nearly as actiony as the average movie goer might think. The Bat is something that I didn't like much at all in the trailers, and I was ok with in the movie. With TDK I didn't like the Batpod until I saw it in the movie, then it won me over. The Bat didn't win me over as much, but I was fine with it, and I could feel its weight and momentum, which some others said they couldn't. The roar it made when it first turned on was awesome in IMAX. Speaking of the Batpod, I thought it was way better in this than TDK. The scene with Batman avoiding the cops uses it amazingly.
Bruce was much better in TDKR than TDK. His character arc feels more full, he looks much better in the Batsuit, and the growl is much improved (where's the trigger?!). I liked all of the references in his story to the other two films, to make this a more full cohesive story. One missed moment to me was the "Why do we fall?" moment. I feel like Bruce himself should have said this, but as I said earlier, the climbing the Pit scene may be my favorite from the film. The bats coming out was a really nice touch, and I like how it paralleled his origin story as Batman, but now he's more experienced, now he's facing greater threats. Michael Caine had the best depiction of Alfred that I've seen yet. In fact, I wished Alfred was more like this in the other films. Now, I don't read the comics, but to me, Alfred should be the guy that loves and supports Bruce Wayne, but despises the Batman and what it's costing Bruce and his life. Begins and TDK Alfred seemed too supportive of Batman, and while a lot of the great banter between the two from the other two films wasn't in this one, the emotional side of Alfred was definitely best in this.
Anne Hathaway seemed to steal the show for me in her scenes. Bale and JGL and Caine and the others were great, but Hathaway really sealed the deal for me in the Catsuit. It seemed like her character was rather underdeveloped, and I wish she appeared more in the second half to have more of a "good" turnaround. It's actually pretty similar to Harvey Dent. Great acting, great scenes, but a bit quick of a good/bad switch. I wanted her to feel the ramifications her essentially breaking Bruce herself more. Her fear of Bane seemed very legitimate, though, and I'm glad she got to take revenge on him. I do wish she were in the second half more, but that's probably just because I wanted to see her more. JGL is one of my favorite actors on the rise and I liked Blake's character. Not much to say about him other than he was a really likable character who served well as the audience's eyes when Bruce was gone. I also really liked his reveal at the end.
The other cast just seemed "there". Gordon didn't really do much. It seemed like BB and TDKR really shafted Gordon, whereas he was great in TDK, so that's too bad. The backstory with Gordon in this one (living the lie) seemed more important than what was happening in the film, but Oldman acted well again. I also don't know if I like the decision to let Gordon know about Batman's secret identity, but that scene was another excellent one, so I guess I'm ok with it. The emotion in that scene was top-notch. Modine's character was very meh. I didn't care much about him or his death. Talia served her role in the story well, but she just didn't do much, which I was fine with. She didn't need to be the villain for very long; she got her point across. While I was perfectly fine with her character's role, one thing that was a little annoying to me was that musical cue that plays in all three movies when the villains lose felt really, really out of place when she crashed. I dunno how it could've been implemented better, but it just came out of nowhere instead of building up. I didn't like Liam Neeson's cameo; it came off as too cheesy, but I bet Solo ate that shit up.
The story was probably the weakest of the three, but as I mentioned, the other aspects were great. The bomb MacGuffin seemed to be ripped straight out of Spider-Man 2, and it felt like quite a disconnect from the mostly grounded main plot from TDK. It's no weirder than the microwave emitter, though, and it was handled better here than in BB. I also didn't like most of the flashback scenes in the prison, and there are certainly more plot conveniences than in the other two. This seemed to be more a case of watching the brilliant character development of Bruce, and great acting mentioned above, and then having them be driven by the plot, instead of watching the plot. I liked the whole segment with the ruined Gotham, however. Great set design and visuals.
The ending was, in my opinion, the best part of the film, as is the general consensus. Batman becoming the symbol he always wanted, Bruce escaping his monster, Gordon seeing the Bat Signal once again, I'm getting giddy just writing about it. I just honestly don't see how to wrap things up and have "The Legend End" any way better. It's nice to see a relatively happy ending amidst all of the despair. It's hard for me to say whether the first hour of Begins, the hostages in TDK, or the last 20 minutes in Rises are the best, but all three films are distinct, they're different, and they're great, while all still managing to be part of an overarching story. There's also no way I can grade the three films. In terms of pure theater-going experience, I'd go TDK>TDKR>BB, but all three have their highs and lows: mostly highs. Keep in mind, these are all great movies, so rating them is fairly trivial. A fantastic series, and I don't know if we'll ever see another series - especially a superhero one - like this again.
In short, loved it. More than the other 2? That's hard to tell...
First off, I'll start with the prologue. Bane's audio was definitely completely overhauled from the MI:4 preview. And you know what? I honestly think it was a lot better in the earlier version. It was definitely harder to understand, but I think the new one was ADR'd to hell and back. The old one was more frightening and robotic, with the "stiff" voice it had. However, in the breaking the Bat scene, Bane's voice was brilliant. I loved his calm and joyous demeanor as he rips this "legend" apart. The way he says, "I wondered what would break first. Your spirit? Or your body?" with such glee was chilling. And as many have stated, Hardy's acting with his eyes is amazing in this film. They also made Bane to be one hell of a terrifying villain, and it almost seemed to me like they may have stepped too far with the brutality in his murders. It surprised me with how dark things went. Either way, aside from the sometimes over-edited voice, I thought Bane was a great main villain (I also understand why they changed the voice- since everyone was complaining about the old one. I just happened to like the old ones more). There's obviously no comparison to Ledger's performance, but I feel that's unfair to Hardy. He did a good job.
That brings me to the fight scenes. The aforementioned Batman vs. Bane round 1 fight was really really good. It really surprised me that a Nolan film could pull off a fistfight so well. BB and TDK had great atmosphere in their fights, like the dockyard in BB or the parking garage in TDK, but the editing was pretty bad. The Bane fights, both the sewer one and the Wall Street one had excellent editing and choreography. I really liked both of those fights, and even some of the other fistfights, like when Batman saves Blake, had better action in them. Nothing ever reaches the stupidity of the action in the nightclub scene in TDK.
Speaking of action, let's talk about the other major action scenes. The plane one is spectacular, and I'll always remember seeing that one. Can't wait to see more documentaries on how they did that one. Bane's takeover of the city is sufficiently brutal, as I stated, but again, some of the neck snapping just really unnerved me, but it fit his character well, certainly. One question I have though, is uh, what happened to Hines Ward? Did he just run away? It'd be kinda awkward with him on the field during Bane's speech, too...
I think it's kind of strange how the trailers showed a lot of the final fight, with the Bat, the Tumblers and the Bomb Truck. I wish they wouldn't have shown that that fight would happen, but I understand why they did, since the movie's not nearly as actiony as the average movie goer might think. The Bat is something that I didn't like much at all in the trailers, and I was ok with in the movie. With TDK I didn't like the Batpod until I saw it in the movie, then it won me over. The Bat didn't win me over as much, but I was fine with it, and I could feel its weight and momentum, which some others said they couldn't. The roar it made when it first turned on was awesome in IMAX. Speaking of the Batpod, I thought it was way better in this than TDK. The scene with Batman avoiding the cops uses it amazingly.
Bruce was much better in TDKR than TDK. His character arc feels more full, he looks much better in the Batsuit, and the growl is much improved (where's the trigger?!). I liked all of the references in his story to the other two films, to make this a more full cohesive story. One missed moment to me was the "Why do we fall?" moment. I feel like Bruce himself should have said this, but as I said earlier, the climbing the Pit scene may be my favorite from the film. The bats coming out was a really nice touch, and I like how it paralleled his origin story as Batman, but now he's more experienced, now he's facing greater threats. Michael Caine had the best depiction of Alfred that I've seen yet. In fact, I wished Alfred was more like this in the other films. Now, I don't read the comics, but to me, Alfred should be the guy that loves and supports Bruce Wayne, but despises the Batman and what it's costing Bruce and his life. Begins and TDK Alfred seemed too supportive of Batman, and while a lot of the great banter between the two from the other two films wasn't in this one, the emotional side of Alfred was definitely best in this.
Anne Hathaway seemed to steal the show for me in her scenes. Bale and JGL and Caine and the others were great, but Hathaway really sealed the deal for me in the Catsuit. It seemed like her character was rather underdeveloped, and I wish she appeared more in the second half to have more of a "good" turnaround. It's actually pretty similar to Harvey Dent. Great acting, great scenes, but a bit quick of a good/bad switch. I wanted her to feel the ramifications her essentially breaking Bruce herself more. Her fear of Bane seemed very legitimate, though, and I'm glad she got to take revenge on him. I do wish she were in the second half more, but that's probably just because I wanted to see her more
. JGL is one of my favorite actors on the rise and I liked Blake's character. Not much to say about him other than he was a really likable character who served well as the audience's eyes when Bruce was gone. I also really liked his reveal at the end.The other cast just seemed "there". Gordon didn't really do much. It seemed like BB and TDKR really shafted Gordon, whereas he was great in TDK, so that's too bad. The backstory with Gordon in this one (living the lie) seemed more important than what was happening in the film, but Oldman acted well again. I also don't know if I like the decision to let Gordon know about Batman's secret identity, but that scene was another excellent one, so I guess I'm ok with it. The emotion in that scene was top-notch. Modine's character was very meh. I didn't care much about him or his death. Talia served her role in the story well, but she just didn't do much, which I was fine with. She didn't need to be the villain for very long; she got her point across. While I was perfectly fine with her character's role, one thing that was a little annoying to me was that musical cue that plays in all three movies when the villains lose felt really, really out of place when she crashed. I dunno how it could've been implemented better, but it just came out of nowhere instead of building up. I didn't like Liam Neeson's cameo; it came off as too cheesy, but I bet Solo ate that shit up.
The story was probably the weakest of the three, but as I mentioned, the other aspects were great. The bomb MacGuffin seemed to be ripped straight out of Spider-Man 2, and it felt like quite a disconnect from the mostly grounded main plot from TDK. It's no weirder than the microwave emitter, though, and it was handled better here than in BB. I also didn't like most of the flashback scenes in the prison, and there are certainly more plot conveniences than in the other two. This seemed to be more a case of watching the brilliant character development of Bruce, and great acting mentioned above, and then having them be driven by the plot, instead of watching the plot. I liked the whole segment with the ruined Gotham, however. Great set design and visuals.
The ending was, in my opinion, the best part of the film, as is the general consensus. Batman becoming the symbol he always wanted, Bruce escaping his monster, Gordon seeing the Bat Signal once again, I'm getting giddy just writing about it. I just honestly don't see how to wrap things up and have "The Legend End" any way better. It's nice to see a relatively happy ending amidst all of the despair. It's hard for me to say whether the first hour of Begins, the hostages in TDK, or the last 20 minutes in Rises are the best, but all three films are distinct, they're different, and they're great, while all still managing to be part of an overarching story. There's also no way I can grade the three films. In terms of pure theater-going experience, I'd go TDK>TDKR>BB, but all three have their highs and lows: mostly highs. Keep in mind, these are all great movies, so rating them is fairly trivial. A fantastic series, and I don't know if we'll ever see another series - especially a superhero one - like this again.
SCULLIBUNDO
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I don't mean to be rude.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Inception's ending is going to haunt Nolan for the rest of his career. And that's completely ridiculous lol
Hero_of_the_Day
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I just wasn't sure if it was Bruce in the box, or the copy.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Yeah, people obviously weren't watching closely. They want to be fooled.
ThanksVision
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I was pretty harsh to them, don't worry, haha. But a lot of people are saying something to the effect of "How did he survive?" in this thread as well. Everything is clearly represented in the film, yet people end up confused.
Bane was weak? I actually felt terrible for Bats when Catwomen locked him in and Bane stated walking up to him. Even Batman was shitting his pants.
And to the 2nd point you saw the ending a mile away? That is funny because there wasn't even a mile left in the movie before ending. It literally takes place 30 seconds after that.
I know most of GAF hates the Bat voice and at times in TDK it was terrible, but I was all pumped when he started to beat the shit out of Bane and screaming in his Bat voice. Fuck Yeah!
I also noticed the Batmobile/Tumbler (black one) climbing up the steps during the final fight in the commercials.
In the movie they just show Batman walking up there. In the commercials he arrives in the Tumbler.
I would have preferred both scenes from the trailer/commercials to be there... the Alfred line and Batmobile.
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