SuicidalSteve
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for some reason, people who die in a plane-crash are identified by bloodsamples in the Nolanverse.
Begins suit could have stopped Bane's knee from breaking Batman in half like a twig.
SJRB
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Haha YES! That was the first thing my father brought up when we walked out of the theatre.
"So those bike wheels.. How does that work?"
But it makes backing out of the driveway SO EASY
I can scarcely believe the amount of complaints I heard prior to seeing the movie about "stupid unnecessary flashbacks" when that basically just amounted to quick early shots of Two-Face, which was done more than anything as a way to contrast the fresh-faced, lantern-jawed hero Gordon was parading around with what he'd really become.
So they could pretend he was dead. They brought another body to replace him so it would make it easier for Talia to get at the energy device later.
Think that was supposed to be so that whoever investigated the plane crash would think the doctor had died in it, as they'd clearly only ever try to identify him by his blood.
Watched this at the weekend. Amazing film. What's also amazing is going through the first few pages of this thread and seeing the bullshit. Hindsight is the best part of these threads for someone who doesn't like spoilers.
Watched this at the weekend. Amazing film. What's also amazing is going through the first few pages of this thread and seeing the bullshit. Hindsight is the best part of these threads for someone who doesn't like spoilers.
I disagree, Talia was some next level business. That introduction with the low cut dress was awe inspiring.
I was wondering if you could make a bike with the wheels spinning like that, would be cool.
Btw, I was just thinking about TDK, when Batman throws Dent at the end... I think Bruce wanted to kill him, I mean, she was fucking the girl he loves, now she was dead, and, to make things worse, he ended saving his life from the building, I mean, isn't that the worse than can happen to a man in love? I think Batman killed Dent out of pure jealousy and then he made all that speech about "blame it on me blabla", of course Bruce, you're sacrificing yourself... right...
Btw, I was just thinking about TDK, when Batman throws Dent at the end... I think Bruce wanted to kill him, I mean, she was fucking the girl he loves, now she was dead, and, to make things worse, he ended saving his life from the building, I mean, isn't that the worse than can happen to a man in love? I think Batman killed Dent out of pure jealousy and then he made all that speech about "blame it on me blabla", of course Bruce, you're sacrificing yourself... right...
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Not to mention her... assets in *that* scene. I'm pretty sure they bigger than my house on the IMAX screen.
Sorcerer
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I loved Cillian Murphy's cameo here.
I didn't like his cameo in the Dark Knight however.
In the novelization of The Dark Knight, the cameo makes sense, what happend to Crane after BB begins up to to the point that we see him in the movie is explained.
All that focus on Crane in The Dark Knight has no place in The Dark Knight of course, but just throwing Crane in for the sake of having Crane in the movie was bad, it should have been cut.
I had no idea that Marion was so busty...
ThatCrazyGuy
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CosmicGroinPull
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For a better view I think. Also, he could probably see the ground in that little canopy between the frontwheels, to make timing his jumps easier.
ThisWreckage
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I'd be very interested in how Hardy/Nolan came up with Bane's voice. It reminded me of Sean Connery's voice being twisted through some sort of vocoder.
EleventhDoctor
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I like the description from earlier in this thread-a fucked up Bill Cosby.
I only thought Bane sounded like Connery the very first time he spoke, on the plane. That was very Connery-esque Scottish brogue, for some reason. Outside of that it sounded unique and made for an awesomely strange contrast to his physique and demeanor.
I liked the accent a lot and understood every word he said, but the thing I didn't really like was the voice modulation, because it kind of made him sound like he wasn't really in the same scene with the other actors.
I liked the accent a lot and understood every word he said, but the thing I didn't really like was the voice modulation, because it kind of made him sound like he wasn't really in the same scene with the other actors.
Exactly. His voice was off not just because of how clownish it was, but for some reason it seemed disconnected from the camera, like it was on some other layer. For example if he was standing 40 ft away, it sounded like he was 2 ft away. Didn't fit and was really noticeably weird.
I'm trying to figure out how Bale didn't laugh while hearing his voice.
The scene when he comments on the kid's singing was hilarious.
Haha, we keep repeating that in our group of friends.
I also like adding "WITH NO SURVIVORS" to end of all my sentences
Or telling people to "FOLLOW HIM" after a hard pat on the shoulder.We actually liked his voice, though, he did have some great lines
ThisWreckage
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I thought that worked in its favor. It's almost like his voice was on another plane of existence and that made it creepier to me.
Salvor.Hardin
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It would be nice if that were intended, but I think most of us already know that his audio is disconnected from the environment simply because of how audiences reacted to his muffled voice in the trailers.
I'd love to hear what Hardy actually sounded like during filming.
I did like the way he spoke a lot though. It wasn't just the accent - Hardy had this cadence where certain parts of words in a sentence would occasionally be high-pitched, especially as the sentence tailed off. I just found it cool and thought it was unnerving in how it contrasted with his ferocity.
I did like the way he spoke a lot though. It wasn't just the accent - Hardy had this cadence where certain parts of words in a sentence would occasionally be high-pitched, especially as the sentence tailed off. I just found it cool and thought it was unnerving in how it contrasted with his ferocity.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Those weren't the unnecessary flashbacks. We were talking about the poorly placed Thomas Wayne down the well flashback and the Gordon Coat scene.
The first instance could have been done so much better. When Bruce fell the second time, he should have fallen into darkness and we should have just HEARD Thomas Wayne's words.
Instead we got the whole stupid flashback while he's sitting in his prison cell and not lacking at all in motivation. Felt like they thought it would be a good idea to put it in somewhere, but didn't think at all about WHERE or HOW it would be effective.
The Gordon flashback with him putting the coat on Bruce was insulting to the audience's intelligence.
SJRB
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How did Bane know where Batman's armory was? It seems raiding the armory was an integral and essential part of the plan, but how did he know about the armory in the first place? Did he just assume Batman had 5 spare tumblers lying around?
Besides, isn't the armory in some middle-floor of Wayne Tower? It has been that way since TDK and I'm pretty sure that's where Lucius and Bruce go when Bruce first revisits Lucius. And why did they only take the tumblers and not one of the 100 other gadgets lying around?
Besides, isn't the armory in some middle-floor of Wayne Tower? It has been that way since TDK and I'm pretty sure that's where Lucius and Bruce go when Bruce first revisits Lucius. And why did they only take the tumblers and not one of the 100 other gadgets lying around?
I actually liked every single call-back. I think they added to the emotion of their respective scenes. Horses for courses, then!
ashrafazlan
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My best guess would be Miesha Tate
XANDER CAGE
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Speaking of Bane's voice, does anyone have a comparison between his prologue/early trailer voice and the one they went with in the final version?
It's not about intelligence, it's about recall. Batman Begins was 7 years ago and the people I saw the movie with didn't even remember who Ra's was. The Gordon flashback was clumsy and not necessary for me or anyone who is so much of a fan that they've seen BB multiple times, but I think a lot of people wouldn't have got it. A lot of people saw TDK and not BB, and if they did see it they are unlikely to have seen it more than once.
I must say, this film is my favorite of the trilogy, and is more of a Batman movie than TDK. But objectively, TDK is a better movie overall, it was just a far more cohesive piece of work. Also, I don't feel like any of the characters ever acted out of character in TDK, but TDKR had a few head scratchers for me, and a few plot holes. But the films overall quality easily overshadows most of its flaws.
I like that Nolan didn't necessarily force that they were trying to top TDK, but you can definitely see the effort. And I kept linking certain parts of the movie to TDK for some reason, like Bane's introduction(plane scene). All the practical stunts were cool and all, but it just felt a bit 'overdone'. Where in that heist with the Joker was the absolute perfect introduction to the character. And the pencil joke was just something you'll never forget, at that moment, you knew Ledger was geared to steal the show. But Bane overall was an awesome character, brilliant dialogue, omg(the voice grew on me, I loved it, me and my buddies cannot stop doing impressions). Not better than TDK, but better than Begin's in that regard, although the exchange between Bruce and Falcone is one of the better scenes in the trilogy.
The fight scenes and action were at its peak, although Nolan can be a bit of a sloppy shot in some of the more closed in fighting scenes. The camera work feels different in all 3 movies, it's weird, but I like it cause it makes them feel even more different. The Talia twist was TERRIBLE, and very un-Nolan like, the movie didn't need that. And then seeing Bane shed a tear, even though Talia didn't give two shits cemented the Joker as my favorite villain of the trilogy.
Anyways, I am really satisfied with how it ended, I'm gonna see it again next weekend for sure. I feel really sorry for whoever has to do the reboot
EDIT: I also didn't know what to think of the sudden inclusion of Robin at the end, he's suddenly becoming the heir to Batman? Without undergoing the training, physical or mental preparation that Bruce had to go to? It just seemed off. But it was nice to hear some people clap once the realize who John Blake really was. My audience sucked until the 3rd act, also, all the funny parts flew past their heads. And I'm sure like 85% of them don't even know Batman Begins exist.
I like that Nolan didn't necessarily force that they were trying to top TDK, but you can definitely see the effort. And I kept linking certain parts of the movie to TDK for some reason, like Bane's introduction(plane scene). All the practical stunts were cool and all, but it just felt a bit 'overdone'. Where in that heist with the Joker was the absolute perfect introduction to the character. And the pencil joke was just something you'll never forget, at that moment, you knew Ledger was geared to steal the show. But Bane overall was an awesome character, brilliant dialogue, omg(the voice grew on me, I loved it, me and my buddies cannot stop doing impressions). Not better than TDK, but better than Begin's in that regard, although the exchange between Bruce and Falcone is one of the better scenes in the trilogy.
The fight scenes and action were at its peak, although Nolan can be a bit of a sloppy shot in some of the more closed in fighting scenes. The camera work feels different in all 3 movies, it's weird, but I like it cause it makes them feel even more different. The Talia twist was TERRIBLE, and very un-Nolan like, the movie didn't need that. And then seeing Bane shed a tear, even though Talia didn't give two shits cemented the Joker as my favorite villain of the trilogy.
Anyways, I am really satisfied with how it ended, I'm gonna see it again next weekend for sure. I feel really sorry for whoever has to do the reboot
EDIT: I also didn't know what to think of the sudden inclusion of Robin at the end, he's suddenly becoming the heir to Batman? Without undergoing the training, physical or mental preparation that Bruce had to go to? It just seemed off. But it was nice to hear some people clap once the realize who John Blake really was. My audience sucked until the 3rd act, also, all the funny parts flew past their heads. And I'm sure like 85% of them don't even know Batman Begins exist.
You have to remember that not every audience member has seen BB and TDK a million times. A lot of people would have not seen BB since it came out 7 years ago, and likewise with TDK, and that's if they even saw them at all.
Edit: beaten like Batman
MisterAnderson
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To be fair, it helped me peice together what he had said to Gordon (I didn't understand his comment about someone putting a coat on him). Other than that exception...yeah it was probably unnecessary.
Salvor.Hardin
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Batman's line was so badly phrased and delivered that I don't blame them for shoving in the coat flashback in post-production. I think it was less of a case of Nolan underestimating his audiences and more of one where the filmmakers realized that they fucked up on that line after the fact.
Maybe they could have shown Blake putting his coat round the kid whose brother washed up from the sewers. That way the line might have worked for the audience without the callback to BB being needed.
vicissitudes
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Hell, I still don't know the point of telling Gordon his identity in the first place.
Pity. Everyone else had figured it out but that poor bastard.
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I didn't really enjoy the film much 
It had moments of excellence, Hathaway absolutely killed it as Catwoman, as many people have discussed, and the brief team up attack on the sewers was the best trademarked Batman action we've got since Begins. Obviously Caine crying was some brutal stuff.
But I guess as a comic fan, this is what ultimately worked against me. Reducing Bruce to someone pathetic enough to just become a recluse for 8 years was nonsensical, that Alfred wouldnt truth bomb him before then over just a totally peripheral girl matter, and then of course the idea that he'd use the hero bomb sacrifice as a way out of being Batman at the end, it all just runs so counter-intuitive to the actual Batman.
Then come the film as a JGL vehicle problems, where the whole "you should use your full legal name" "blaaahhh" "I LIKE ROBIN IT SOUNDS GOOD HURRRRRR" exchange actually made me audibly groan.
I dunno, a lot of the film felt very clumsy like it could have been reined in a whole lot better to be more punchy, and it also suffered even more than TDK with not much Batman in a Batman movie.
It also probably didnt help that I was spoiled by that asshole on here :/
It had moments of excellence, Hathaway absolutely killed it as Catwoman, as many people have discussed, and the brief team up attack on the sewers was the best trademarked Batman action we've got since Begins. Obviously Caine crying was some brutal stuff.
But I guess as a comic fan, this is what ultimately worked against me. Reducing Bruce to someone pathetic enough to just become a recluse for 8 years was nonsensical, that Alfred wouldnt truth bomb him before then over just a totally peripheral girl matter, and then of course the idea that he'd use the hero bomb sacrifice as a way out of being Batman at the end, it all just runs so counter-intuitive to the actual Batman.
Then come the film as a JGL vehicle problems, where the whole "you should use your full legal name" "blaaahhh" "I LIKE ROBIN IT SOUNDS GOOD HURRRRRR" exchange actually made me audibly groan.
I dunno, a lot of the film felt very clumsy like it could have been reined in a whole lot better to be more punchy, and it also suffered even more than TDK with not much Batman in a Batman movie.
It also probably didnt help that I was spoiled by that asshole on here :/
Salvor.Hardin
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The RLM guys brought up one interesting editing mistake that I didn't realize while watching the film - it's morning and the sun is out when Bane walks into the stock exchange, the LoS attach the device which shows that the programme will execute in 8 minutes, but before that happens they leave the stock exchange and head outside where it's night time. Seems like a really odd oversight.
You know, as GAF's Biggest-Geek-Ever, you might want to find out where your jurisdiction ends.
Batman controls the flow of light, in order to make a more appropriate appearance.
Seemed to me like it was close to the end of the day - 5pm maybe. On their way out it was dusk. It was getting noticeably darker. After the chase through the tunnel it had become night time. This could have all happened within the space of around 40 minutes I feel. And I think when Batman finds the 'transfer complete' tablet, it was far later than 8 minutes.
ThatCrazyGuy
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Michael Bay directed that part. No worries.
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