I didn't notice that but that is pretty dumb, it was still light for a while once they left the Exchange though. The continuity mistake that annoyed me the most was on the plane where the CIA guy is holding Bane + goon out the window. Bane is wearing black but just before he says his 'perhaps he's wondering....' line he's clearly the one with his head out the door, yet in the next shot he's over by the seats on his knees.
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I didn't notice that but that is pretty dumb, it was still light for a while once they left the Exchange though. The continuity mistake that annoyed me the most was on the plane where the CIA guy is holding Bane + goon out the window. Bane is wearing black but just before he says his 'perhaps he's wondering....' line he's clearly the one with his head out the door, yet in the next shot he's over by the seats on his knees.
Mmm, you just reminded me of something else like that, but I'm having trouble remembering exactly what it was. Something like... Batman and Catwoman driving into Oldtown and it becoming dark almost instantly? I might be getting confused with Begins though, argh...
Will have to go a third time
Salvor.Hardin
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I didn't really enjoy the film much
It had moments of excellence, Hathaway absolutely killed it as Catwoman, as many people have discussed, and the brief team up attack on the sewers was the best trademarked Batman action we've got since Begins. Obviously Caine crying was some brutal stuff.
But I guess as a comic fan, this is what ultimately worked against me. Reducing Bruce to someone pathetic enough to just become a recluse for 8 years was nonsensical, that Alfred wouldnt truth bomb him before then over just a totally peripheral girl matter, and then of course the idea that he'd use the hero bomb sacrifice as a way out of being Batman at the end, it all just runs so counter-intuitive to the actual Batman.
You just need to accept that this movie isn't trying to tell the story of comic book Batman. The Nolanverse Bruce Wayne has a very specific arc with very particular motivations, and ambitions that are explored and to some extent resolved. In making a more realistic Batman, it needed to be stressed that a man of Bruce Wayne's torment and desire, as established in Begins and TDK, can only continue wearing the cowl for a limited time before he realizes that he can't push himself towards a self-destructive path indefinitely. That he too has to make good on what he wants for himself, and that once the symbol of the Batman can continue without him, he has no need to continue wearing the costume.
You have to remember that Bruce pushed himself to become Batman for very specific reasons and under specific circumstances.
I didn't really enjoy the film much
It had moments of excellence, Hathaway absolutely killed it as Catwoman, as many people have discussed, and the brief team up attack on the sewers was the best trademarked Batman action we've got since Begins. Obviously Caine crying was some brutal stuff.
But I guess as a comic fan, this is what ultimately worked against me. Reducing Bruce to someone pathetic enough to just become a recluse for 8 years was nonsensical, that Alfred wouldnt truth bomb him before then over just a totally peripheral girl matter, and then of course the idea that he'd use the hero bomb sacrifice as a way out of being Batman at the end, it all just runs so counter-intuitive to the actual Batman.
He was only a recluse for three years. After Dr. Pavil published his paper on fusion weapons.
TheKaeptain
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No he isn't. You need to watch it again.
Now you're looking for the secret... but you won't find it, because of course you're not really looking. You don't really want to know. You want to be fooled.
actually that part made sense, since that could be a normal person's audible reaction to something.
the flashback, along with all the other clips to other films, were too much. it'd be like in return of the jedi 3d if george lucas starts cutting in scenes of the windu/palpatine fight when palpatine electrocutes luke.
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OrangeGrayBlue
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I already saw it twice. The first guy is wearing green. The second, Bane, is wearing black. You can even see the outline of the mask through his hood.
I just watched the trailer again, did they cut the scene where Alfred says he failed to protect Bruce? I remember thinking he was going to say it at the grave stone, which would have be nice, but he didn't.
I also realized when he says "this isn't a car" the scene is at night, but the cut is to much later in the day time. Never noticed and I must have seen the trailer ten times.
I also realized when he says "this isn't a car" the scene is at night, but the cut is to much later in the day time. Never noticed and I must have seen the trailer ten times.
Hydrogen Bluebird
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If Bane didn't want Bruce to go back to gotham, then why didn't he just order/bribe/threaten the prisoners there to not let Bruce escape?
Also, there are so many parallels between BB and TDKR.
Also, there are so many parallels between BB and TDKR.
TheKaeptain
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There are three guys.
The hope of escaping is part of the torture. He doesn't think Bruce is capable of doing it.
soundscream
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It was dark and raining. When the cops come the street lights are already on and it is dusk.
Hydrogen Bluebird
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Makes sense but really, I mean, he could have just covered the well lol
Hydrogen Bluebird
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And then Bane says "impossible" once he realizes that Bruce has returned.
TDK had more WTF/logic error moments though.
TDK had more WTF/logic error moments though.
Bane didn't care if Bruce got back to Gotham or not.
He could have just had him gunned down when he escaped, but he wanted to have Bruce see Gotham crumble, so if he managed to get out, killing him before the city fell apart would have just cheated himself out of the 'victory'.
He could have just had him gunned down when he escaped, but he wanted to have Bruce see Gotham crumble, so if he managed to get out, killing him before the city fell apart would have just cheated himself out of the 'victory'.
Also this. Bane wants Bruce to know Gotham has been destroyed, to know he has failed. Only at the very end when he realises Bruce isn't to be fucked with, does he consider killing him before the bomb goes off.
Bane wanted Bruce to feel true despair, and he knew a critical element of that was the hope prisoners feel in seeing the sunlight but not being able to reach it, and continually falling. He then used that as a metaphor for what he was about to do with Gotham, forcing citizens to climb over each other in futility in order to reach the sun.
only because he thought he'd completely (mentally and physically) broken him.
plus i mean who else bounces back from a broken back that well.
At that point Bane finally realized that Bruce was The Goddammn Batman
Bane spent years upon years in that prison, and was never ever able to escape. The only reason he got out was Ra's saving him.
Due to his ego, Bane views himself far far superior to Bruce. If he was unable to get out, Bruce would NEVER manage it. He was wrong.
Speaking of the prison pit, I wonder if there were some other ways the prisoners could have escaped their predicament than jumping across such a distance. As long as the rock was able to be chiseled or broken into, they had some options with the materials available to them.
You don't know how much I wanted Batman to say that after he bested Bane in the 2nd battle.
"But how? You were broken."
"Because I'm the goddamn batman"
You don't know how much I wanted Batman to say that after he bested Bane in the 2nd battle.
"But how? You were broken."
"Because I'm the goddamn batman"
It's funny, TDKR feels a lot like the Uncharted 3 of the series. Aping it's acclaimed predecessor, but falling short of greatness.
Salvor.Hardin
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I might have missed this, but did they offer an explanation for why the inmates attacked Bane for helping Talia climb the pit?
Exactly what I was thinking.
They wanted to do to her what they did to her mother.
that's because Player 1 is controlling him.
That scene was so strange. They paint the picture of this pit being the worst place on earth, where the weak have to be built up to fierce men to survive, and there is no indication it's at all a violent place other than that single scene, which is completely unexplained. It actually seems like a peaceful, supportive community from what we actually see.
EDIT: Oh yeah, the mother. A fair point.
Maybe the pit is very different after Bane takes it over.
They wanted to rape her.
That's how I understood it.
SJRB
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Fucking nobody, that's why the logic in this movie is flawed. It sets base rules but doesn't refrain from breaking them to move a plot along. The magic knee brace that somehow fixes all of Bruce's problems, hanging in a rope for a month fixes a broken back. Doing push and situps for three months in a prison somehow greatly enhances your strength.
He kicks through a brick wall thanks to a knee brace for Christ's sake, how does he not break his foot and his leg?
The movie sets rules based in reality but resorts to comic book logic when it pleases and I know this is nitpicking bu it feels like cheating.
Salvor.Hardin
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Ah, of course.
i don't see how it aped it at all, especially when it's a lot closer to begins. tdk was basically joker: starring heath ledger: the movie (and i loved it for that oh god i loved it for that).
SJRB
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That is true, but I somehow always thought of it as "semi-plausible". I mean, he only lives outside the hospital for maybe 2 days before he dies.
Like I said, it's probably nitpicky on my end.
I don't see how it's anything like BB. Story wise, it's a continuation, but the film feels a lot more like TDK to me.
I never agreed with the idea of TDK being the Joker movie, he's featured more than Scarecrow was, but not as much as Batman, and not really anymore than Bane was in this.
This annoyed me the most during the movie. For a place called 'Hell on Earth' it seemed really quite relaxing. All the time to train on getting fit and strong again and a nice horde of friends to chant RISE every single time you wanted to escape....
I wish there was another 5 or so minutes at least showing this place a the shithole it was meant to be rather than have people (for money it seems) leave Batman alone and well, help him to be honest get out of there so fast.
I've kicked down an old brick wall before, back in my old garden. It crumbled away, as it was ollllllddd.
The wall under Wayne manor looked pretty worn out too.
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My favorite bit of foreshadowing as to who Miranda would turn out to be was when Bruce returns to Gotham, meets up with Lucius and Miranda, gives them a brief overview of what he plans on doing and then Miranda looks at him blankly and says, "Do what's necessary."
Full circle.
Full circle.
It wasn't the sit-ups and pushups that made him stronger, it was the realisation that he needs to fear death to be a stronger person.
Also the knee brace doesn't just fix his problems, it's just being in the suit again, it happens in the Dark Knight Returns as well if I'm remembering correctly.
you mean its tone? i guess but i'm having trouble pinning down any particular direction. the dark knight felt like order spinning into chaos throughout the film, while tdkr was just this bleak thing. anything in particular stand out for you?
i could have sworn i read somewhere that ledger had almost as much screentime as bale in the dark knight (and considering bale wasn't batman the whole time, the joker would be on screen more than batman if this was true).
aside from that, i felt the joker's presence throughout the entire film. i was always left wondering what he was doing and when he would strike next. this, coupled with bruce not having as much of a focus character-wise (his big revelation is that he might have to be batman for... a long time), just made it the joker movie for me.
i love the joker though. even when jack nicholson played a happy criminal clown, i enjoyed it. and then there's the bits of mask of the phantasm that are awesome whenever mark hamill's version shows up.
Solid arguement.
I guess the theatrical release was a Batman film, then the home media release must be the Joker film.
It's more the tone yeah, there are specifics, things like Bane 'empowering' citizens by holding them hostage (as Joker did with the two ships), lots of things like that. But mostly, it is just a question of tone. As you said, TDK focuses on Joker more as character than Wayne, I would say TDKR focuses more on Bane as a character than Wayne.
Batman Begins feels more like a drama they put action in to sell it, TDK and TDKR feel like action films they put drama in. If they continued down that path, they'd eventually reach Inception basically. If they went the other way, they'd eventually reach The Prestige.
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