Schmo Florez
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Cannot be quoted enough. Brilliant idea. Brilliant execution.
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Cannot be quoted enough. Brilliant idea. Brilliant execution.
Not to mention, he killed two of the crimelords, and his actions pretty much led to the death of another (Maroni/Two Face).
He pretty much killed all organized crime in Gotham.
I'd argue he was least successful in completing his goals, at least on a city-wide scale. There's no doubt Bane and Talia were better there, controlling the lives of 12 million people for months unopposed.
In terms of corrupting people or breaking individual character's though, Joker has them all beat.
On that same note, I mentioned earlier that Harry Knowles hilarious idea that it was "BULLSHIT" that Bruce Wayne would just hang up the cowl and become a recluse for 8 years, ignoring the entire point that Bruce Wayne disappeared for 7 years after college and lived among criminals/smugglers.
Some people are extremely liberal with their interpretation of what a character is/they want them to be despite all of the contrary evidence in the story.
That was the best part for me. The only strong part IMO outside of Alfred. He was one of the few characters with any pay off.
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I didn't need anything of him coming back but I did think the transition of him being moved out of the country to the pit was a bit sudden and jarring. I think Nolan wanted the audience to experience the sudden shock of waking up in a strange place, just like Bruce was.
How does he take a plane without a passport, any proof of identity, and without any money?
Secret Fawful
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I finally realized why Bruce was a cripple and was so injured at the beginning of TDKR. It's from the fall he sustained at the end of TDK. Yeah, he survived worse, but that's the only place the injuries could have come from, considering it's the same fall that killed Harvey Dent.
He could have shaved at the airport waiting for the plane... I mean, as far as movie plot holes go this just isn't one.
Friends in low places. Probably came in on a smuggler flight like the one he used in TDK to get Lau.
Yes I thought that was the point
Ninja Scooter
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he did it for 7 years when he first left Gotham.
joeyjoejoeshabadoo
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Pish posh, Batman cares not for these things.
Weren't there also extra people in the Van with the Joker.. only know one of them survived... could have been more.
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What's funny is how Dent kills Maroni, and Joker kills Gamble, Lau, and Chechen (possibly)
Together they took out the organized crime bosses and the money man.
MrPink93485
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South Korean smugglers, obviously
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He could have shaved when he got back as well. It's something we really don't need to discuss.
Messypandas
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People really questioning why Bruce was clean shaven when he returned to Gotham? Jesus Christ people. The giant flame bat is a more egregious oversight
He's the goddamn Batman. He can stowaway on a cargo flight or something. In BB he just walked straight onto some trawler and disappeared for 7 years.
Takamura-San
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rewatching BB, this was the funniest part to watch.
Bruce: I won't kill this lone thug.
*dissaster ensues*
Ra's : Dude... You killed my whole clan and the thug... what did you accomplish?
Bruce: I dunno....
Yeah, I wondered how that got up there.
SlowRevolution
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They should have had a Forrest Gump scene showing Bruce running all the way to Gotham.
NullPointer
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He certainly could have robbed more from Wayne industries abroad, sure. There are definite possibilities here, but like the bad editing in TDK, the audience knows something isn't right or isn't being let in on whats going on.
Of all the 15 points in the article referenced above, the main culprit for me was this one: The Post-Bane Gotham Feels Totally Fake.
I was with the movie until we saw what Bane's Gotham looked like. Such a simplistic conception that a 12 year old could do better. The final nail in that coffin was the street brawl between the cops and Bane's men. The whole thing felt as grounded and reasonable as a Transformers episode from the 80s. Since my brain had checked out earlier on as it wasn't being properly fed with anything decent to consider, all that was left was spectacle and chase scenes, and not very well executed ones at that.
I was on board for everything up to and including the stadium and bridge blasts. After that the whole thing falls to pieces.
I was too busy thinking about how awesome it looked and made me feel to see it light up than the logistics of how it got there
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The guy has the ability to disappear when you turn around for a second. I'm not even going to question how he got back so quickly.
Prep time.
Problem is, people are bringing in other interpretations of Batman in defense of their views. Maybe the comic, Burton, TAS, Arkham game versions of Batman wouldn't have done this, but this version is the likeliest one to do it.
I'm a little uneasy myself, but people like Knowles need to realize that Nolan's Batman doesn't conform to everything in the comics.
Messypandas
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Bruce was on a first name basis with korean smugglers. He flew over Pyongyang no trouble. He had connections all over the world
Huh? He was a stowaway on a cargo ship when he first ran from Gotham. He ended up in China, and he never took a plane anywhere. He was living on the streets until he got arrested, and after that he climbed a mountain and joined a ninja clan. In other to get back home, he called Alfred.
demosthenes
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Again. A billionaire like him has money hidden all over the world. He's batman, he probably has 100 "if I get stranded out of Gotham while it's on lockdown" plans.
What do you think he was doing in those 8 years? He was shooting arrows at which plans he would implement and which ones he wouldn't.
We all seemed perfectly OK to believe bruce wayne handled his shit for 7 years before begins..
not sure why Bruce's cartilage and bones were so weak..he was only batman for a few months.
I really enjoyed the movie, but it has way too many plot holes throughout the movie. Many parts of the this movie, it almost felt like Nolan gave up. This is the only Nolan Batman movie that doesn't feel like a Nolan movie for the most part..just some small bits.
I really enjoyed the movie, but it has way too many plot holes throughout the movie. Many parts of the this movie, it almost felt like Nolan gave up. This is the only Nolan Batman movie that doesn't feel like a Nolan movie for the most part..just some small bits.
Bruce put it there. Now, there was a good chance Gordon and Co. could have fallen through the ice and died before he finished it, but it was a risk he was willing to take :lol
Ninja Scooter
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The difference is that the ensuing chaos was caused by Bruce defending himself because the league was going to kill him. What he didn't want to be is their executioner.
MrPink93485
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Bruce Wayne 'retire' prior to the events of the Dark Knight Returns due to Jason Todd's death or something like that?
It's been a long while, but I figured isn't that enough precedent to do something like that in the film, especially considering how much Nolan was inspired by that particular graphic novel?
I like this answer. He had 3 months after all! Clearly he had a plan after actually escaping, even though he had no idea where he actually was in the world! Goddamn Batman!
He was only Batman for a few months, what ?
It ain't the years, it's the mileage. The events of TDK, the fall with Dent in particular, severly crippled him.
Ninja Scooter
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Huh? He was a stowaway on a cargo ship when he first ran from Gotham. He ended up in China, and he never took a plane anywhere. He was living on the streets until he got arrested, and after that he climbed a mountain and joined a ninja clan. In other to get back home, he called Alfred.
and how did he call Alfred? How did he get from where he was to the air strip with a private jet? How did he get around China w/o a passport? we also don't have the exact timeline. It could have been a few months between his escape from the pit to his return to Gotham.
Sho_Nuff82
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I love that there is the implication here that wealthy attractive people are above frivolous hook ups. I ask again, show me the single celebrity who turns down sex with a soaking wet Marion Cotillard.
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I can't decide how I feel about this movie.
He was Batman for a good couple of years actually.
Messypandas
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To be fair, timewise: a year at most.
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The thing with this is that Bruce has already gone through the progression of suffering a personal loss and battling back to become Batman. I don't think the character would put himself through that again. I would imagine even Nolan's Batman would internalize that shit. If anything, like I've said, he would use his Batman persona for escape from Bruce and his billionaire lifestyle. Instead he ended up in this depressing middle ground of doing pretty much nothing. I don't buy that, even from Nolan's Bruce Wayne.
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It humanized an unhumane monster.
Still not sure how I feel about that, it somehow devalues Bane's character. Combined with his backstory being pulled away under him after the Talia reveal there is not much left, if any.
SlowRevolution
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I thought it was a year max?
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