velvet_nitemare
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So much bitterness lol
Shane Satterfield: Wii U will cost $299
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AppleBlade
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There was outcry about the Wii being priced too high at $250 years ago as well, developers did not jump on the motion bandwagon either, Nintendo was the main software provider for that system too . . . all things you describe above . . . and the Wii was sold out for ages going at hundreds of dollars more on Ebay. The Wii and the DS proved that the market as a whole does not use raw power as a way of determining the value of gaming hardware. In a way even the Xbox proved that. It's all about experiences. For the Wii it was motion gaming and Wii Sports. For the Xbox, it was the community of Xbox Live. For the WiiU it is the tablet controller and the idea of asynchronous co-op (and even then I might be off the mark, Nintendo has a way of giving us experiences that we can't quite appreciate until we experience it). The vision behind WiiU might be something that the gaming media is overlooking. Will it be a hit with mass market? I don't know but I do think it has a better shot then many of the people on this forum.
Reread what you posted. The average consumer doesn't care about power if they have the GAMES!!
Having JD4, ZombiU, Mario, AC3 at launch will sell.
Lets cut to the chase, it's Nintendo and many people are going to use whatever reason to convince themselves the price should be lower. I'm not saying all of the complaints about price are due to the fact that it is Nintendo, but that is one of the factors here. I wouldn't be surprised if the gaming media chimes in and delivers a few hit pieces about the Wii U before it arrives.
Uncle Rupee
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Not interested in the Wii U. I still haven't even picked up a 3DS yet. Nintendo is doing absolutely nothing to get me interested in their machines these days. Or maybe I'm just growing out of the hobby.
Kacho
Gold Member
Moreover, if the games are fun who cares about how technically beautiful they are? It's not like the games look bad, they're just not graphical showpieces.
Shadowlink
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Sometime in September I believe.
thing is, nintendo's consoles used to always launch at $199.99, so it kinda sucked to be forced into buying wii sports.
aside from that, the current consoles are way too fucking expensive. the 360 should be $129.99 with a $99.99 model, and the ps3 should be $149.99 with a $129.99 model. the wii should be $49.99 or $79.99. it's been over six or seven years for these things i mean jesus christ.
$299.99 is fine for a launch console, but it's also sort of the maximum people should expect out of any company. being okay with anything over $300 is sorta crazy to me.
games are getting to be too expensive again too. i know i'm buying a lot less at retail because of it.
oh yeah, and stay outta my beer.
That fifty dollars extra on price wasn't for wii sports. It was sell people on the controller. Eh.
Agent Unknown
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Uh huh. Better make if four years then just to be safe, bro.
The 3DS has games now and still isn't exactly setting the world on fire.
And AC3 and JD4 aren't selling anyone on a system. Nobody will buy a $300 system to play games on other systems.
Agent Unknown
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It's lighting a lot more fires than the Vita though which has an admittedly good lineup. I wonder why that is?
Bit like the DS then, I guess.
Barack Lesnar
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What an obnoxious post. Tell me I'm not the only one who read that and cringed IRL.
Blueandigo
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I'd rather buy a Sega Genesis brand new.
Agent Unknown
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Just brilliant.
IrishNinja
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haha yeah, im watching breaking bad on netflix right now and its UNVIEWABLE
i support this! its why i never bought memory cards in the day, though this made RPG's difficult.
also im still holding out for my dual HDMI ps triple.
if it's any consolation, im gonna buy at $300 and hope that when it's 200 in six months i get 10 free gamecube games on VC.
that's entirely possible, too.
i can agree with this - im expecting at least a base model for PS4/netxbox at that price, too. no way we'll go back north of 400.
i did split a $600 ps3 with my chick so im admittedly part of the problem
BruiserBear
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I hope it launches at $300. It'll be fun to see Nintendo learn once again the success of their prior consoles doesn't mean the next one will be equally popular.
dragonflys545
Member
$299 is just too damn high for someone who's not a fan of Nintendo's IP. It's gonna need a some good third party support(not ports) for them to take my money.
I'm pretty sure Sony learned that lesson
.Why do you guys think the Wii U won't be popular?.
Because, Nintendo.I'm pretty sure Sony learned that lesson
Why do you guys think the Wii U won't be popular?.
Agent Unknown
Member
$299 is too high for a new home console and is an outrage. Some of you folks are in rare form tonight and that's saying something. Maybe it should be $99 with a cell phone style subscription contract?
Recent history seems to point at a miniature-generational change that might help dictate the success of a console on a global scale. Once you get a hook in to the first, you're bound to follow-up with a second success. Of course trying to find rhythms in this industry is beyond ridiculous, but it will be interesting to see whether the patterns continue with Nintendo or we begin to cut against the grain.
What is most interesting for me is to see whether Microsoft can actually defy the Sega laws of physics and become a leader in sales rather than a vocal spectator who continues to argue over who is 2nd best.
Just like Wifi should have been built into the 360 and not required a $100 accessory - oh wait.....
Dreams-Visions
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eh. I think I'll set launch out for this one. Not really priced to move, IMO.
Sarcastic Response
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Are you going to actually explain anything you say or keep acting like Nintendo is being persecuted like some leper when we have comments like these:
I'm pretty sure Sony learned that lesson
News flash people: your console of choice is not like by some people. SHOCKING I KNOW. Want to know why people are giving Nintendo such a hard time? It's because they are trying to sneak into the next gen with less than amazing hardware when we have seen from history their ability to have cutting edge hardware. Until Nintendo catches up with Sony and Microsoft or at least attempt to, people will still call out Nintendo, the 3DS, and Wii U just like you all will call out Sony, the PS3, and the Vita for their transgressions. Anyway, I'm done with this thread. It's gotten quite out of hand.
No no no. I just typically don't like Nintendo first-party games, and I've seen very little so far that has convinced me that the controller is going to bring me experiences that I'll care about. (Of course, if they come, I'll change my mind.)
I think the launch window lineup looks pretty darn good compared with most system launches. NSMB U, Pikmen 3, P-100, and Tank Tank Tank all look like better options I've had with many other launches. I remember for 360 I had Perfect Dark Zero, Kameo, and a pretty crappy version of Madden on launch day. Spent most of my early days of 360 ownership playing Halo 2 ;-)
The main problem I see is that unlike those other systems, the Wii U isn't an instantly noticeable step up graphics wise, so it's going up against two consoles that are comparable in power but have significantly deeper game libraries already. And unlike the Wii, the Wii U doesn't seem to have anything right away that is a compelling new experience to the more casual game crowd (like Wii Sports) that drove sales of the Wii.
While I will get one and enjoy it, I'm not sure that it will be nearly as big of a hit in the market place with the masses as the Wii ended up being, or that they will strongly satisfy the "core" gamer market who already own a 360 and PS3. I bought a 360 as the first "next gen" gaming console out of the gate that inovated with X-Box Live, I bought a PS3 later on as HD became more mainstream largely because of the Blu-Ray player (and have been very happy with their game library since), and have a Wii that I bought for the novelty of Wii Sports and similar games to play with my family, which largely collected dust until Xenoblade Chronicles came to the U.S.
Many of the people I know have gone through a similar progression. Xbox initially for games, PS3 as 1080p HD TVs became cheaper, and a Wii that's mostly collecting dust. I'm not sure what perceived need the Wii U will fit into. Do you guys think the success of the Wii will directly translate to Wii U adopters? Or is this going to be Nintendo's next Gamecube, a console whose main buyers will be the hardcore fans of Nintendo properties like myself and the minority who buy every single system each generation?
I'm leaning towards "next Gamecube" myself, but hope I'm proven wrong.
The main problem I see is that unlike those other systems, the Wii U isn't an instantly noticeable step up graphics wise, so it's going up against two consoles that are comparable in power but have significantly deeper game libraries already. And unlike the Wii, the Wii U doesn't seem to have anything right away that is a compelling new experience to the more casual game crowd (like Wii Sports) that drove sales of the Wii.
While I will get one and enjoy it, I'm not sure that it will be nearly as big of a hit in the market place with the masses as the Wii ended up being, or that they will strongly satisfy the "core" gamer market who already own a 360 and PS3. I bought a 360 as the first "next gen" gaming console out of the gate that inovated with X-Box Live, I bought a PS3 later on as HD became more mainstream largely because of the Blu-Ray player (and have been very happy with their game library since), and have a Wii that I bought for the novelty of Wii Sports and similar games to play with my family, which largely collected dust until Xenoblade Chronicles came to the U.S.
Many of the people I know have gone through a similar progression. Xbox initially for games, PS3 as 1080p HD TVs became cheaper, and a Wii that's mostly collecting dust. I'm not sure what perceived need the Wii U will fit into. Do you guys think the success of the Wii will directly translate to Wii U adopters? Or is this going to be Nintendo's next Gamecube, a console whose main buyers will be the hardcore fans of Nintendo properties like myself and the minority who buy every single system each generation?
I'm leaning towards "next Gamecube" myself, but hope I'm proven wrong.
Gemüsepizza
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I think $300 is too expensive.
Compared to other consoles, you will get:
Wii U ~$300
+ Nintendo exclusives
+ Slightly better graphics compared to current gen
+/- Tablet controller
- Only a fraction of current and upcoming third party titles
- No Blu-ray playback
- No trophies/achievements
- Hugely worse graphics than PS4/Xbox 720
PS3/Xbox 360 ~<$200
+ Sony/MS exclusives
+ Almost all third party titles
+ A really big library of existing, cheap games
+/- Traditional controls
+ Blu-ray playback (PS3)
+ Trophies / Achievements
+ A really big online user base
- Slightly worse graphics compared to Wii U
PS4 / Xbox 720 ~$350-400
+ Sony/MS exclusives
+ Almost all third party titles
+ Blu-ray playback
+ Trophies / Achievements
+ A really big online user base
+ Drastically improved graphics over current gen and Wii U
The "only" unique selling points the Wii U has are the Nintendo exclusives and the tablet controller, which I think isn't that exciting.
They can't compete with Sony/MS regarding graphics, third party support, online, multimedia, ... So why make a console for $300 and try to compete with them? Why not make a $200 console and focus on making great Nintendo games? People who are interested in Nintendo games will buy this regardless. People who don't like Nintendo games and value other things mentioned above higher, won't buy a Nintendo console.
Compared to other consoles, you will get:
Wii U ~$300
+ Nintendo exclusives
+ Slightly better graphics compared to current gen
+/- Tablet controller
- Only a fraction of current and upcoming third party titles
- No Blu-ray playback
- No trophies/achievements
- Hugely worse graphics than PS4/Xbox 720
PS3/Xbox 360 ~<$200
+ Sony/MS exclusives
+ Almost all third party titles
+ A really big library of existing, cheap games
+/- Traditional controls
+ Blu-ray playback (PS3)
+ Trophies / Achievements
+ A really big online user base
- Slightly worse graphics compared to Wii U
PS4 / Xbox 720 ~$350-400
+ Sony/MS exclusives
+ Almost all third party titles
+ Blu-ray playback
+ Trophies / Achievements
+ A really big online user base
+ Drastically improved graphics over current gen and Wii U
The "only" unique selling points the Wii U has are the Nintendo exclusives and the tablet controller, which I think isn't that exciting.
They can't compete with Sony/MS regarding graphics, third party support, online, multimedia, ... So why make a console for $300 and try to compete with them? Why not make a $200 console and focus on making great Nintendo games? People who are interested in Nintendo games will buy this regardless. People who don't like Nintendo games and value other things mentioned above higher, won't buy a Nintendo console.
T'was a joke, friend.
Software is king. You don't need superior hardware to deliver quality software. I just find it ignorant that people think better hardware automatically equals superior games and better gameplay. I appreciate Nintendo making my barrier to entry for my favorite hobby cheaper. I can enjoy quality games without the eye candy. I have my PC for the eye candy. The only thing Nintendo needs to catch up on IMO is online.
Btw, this gen I bought in this order:
Wii
DS
360
PC
3DS
PS3
Vita
I love them all and don't have a favorite. I enjoy all the games and exclusives they have to offer.
Agent Unknown
Member
Whaaaaat? One of the people I look up to, the venerable Shidoshi of Gamefan doesn't really like Nintendo First party games? Any reason/titles in particular?
That's fair and reasonable. Not everyone is going to like certain types of games. It's a good reason not to like a console or purchase one.
Gemüsepizza;40363091 said:
no offense, but I think you're expecting way too much out of sony/ms next gen. the jump in hardware power will not be nearly as substantial as last gen to this gen. Not to mention sony is in no shape to put out another loss leading round of hardware like the ps3.
Correction, the whole industry has.
You know things are turning sour when fellow gaming enthusiasts are trumpeting the advent of trophies and achievements as selling points to a console, simultaneously expecting the best of the best while companies continue to rise and fall at an alarming rate as each year passes. Reminds me of being seated alongside someone who is speeding a van down a highway onto incoming traffic.
I love Metroid, I love Rhythm Heaven, I like Wario Ware and some other crazy things from them.
Part of it is that I HATE Mario as a character, and that kind of taints any games he's in for me. I used to love Zelda, but in the switch from 2D to 3D, I now just don't like the series for some reason.
I'm not the type who says their games suck-I think they make excellent games. Just, for one reason or another, most of their offerings just don't click with me, so I have a weird relationship with their systems. I tend to love their handhelds, but even though I've bought every one of their consoles, I've owned less than 10 games total for everything since the NES. (I went from NES to Genesis, and that was point of no return for me I think.)
walking fiend
Member
And what could you say about 360 line up, for example, when compared to PS2? or any console ever compared to PC? Launch line-up being good means persons with different taste having solid games for purchase, which is the case with Wii U
Agent Unknown
Member
Interesting perspective, thanks. "Hate Mario as
a character," so I'm guessing you were Team Sonic all the way back in the Genny 90s, huh?
Anyways, you love Metroid and shmups so you'll always be good in my book.
Edit: Also, I've always preferred Mario and Metroid to Zelda series. Love LoZ, LttP, and OoT but couldn't get into TP or the DS games and still haven't played Skyward Sword.
Yeah it's sad, and people should look at Sony, they don't have the money for cutting edge tech next gen like the PS3 was, Sony is a company so their main focus is to get money not lose it.
walking fiend
Member
Have you seen pikmin 2 and how it looks?
It's not like SMG empty space can be compared to pikmin; some people and their excuses not to play good games
I Stalk Alone
Member
Gemüsepizza;40363091 said:
Define hugely for us, maybe in terms of xbox 360 and pc graphics to make it easier for us.
Thanks.
Gemüsepizza
Member
We will see. Tech demos did look amazing, and I'm sure Nextgen versions of current gen IPs will be incredible.
Sony did not suffer from losses because of the power of PS3, but because of the features. That's an important difference. Microsoft released a console with comparable power at a much lower price before the PS3, and they did not suffer from losses.
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