Agreed 100%. Strong arming a guys head into a bench and throwing a guy off a roof were so visceral that going back to hitting a button for things like that just felt like I was being taken the piss out of.
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Agreed 100%. Strong arming a guys head into a bench and throwing a guy off a roof were so visceral that going back to hitting a button for things like that just felt like I was being taken the piss out of.
No chance in hell there will be one. Wiimote is dead. We had this topic a few days ago, exactly discussing this problem.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=483446
From what I recall from back when Wii launched, Nintendo wanted to sell Wii for $200 like every console they've ever made. Retailers thought Wii was going to be an utter failure and demanded Nintendo increase the MSRP so that they could make a bigger profit on units sold to reduce the liability of stocking it. Packing in Wii Sports was a compromise.
Regardless, Nintendoland does not have near the instant appeal of Wii Sports, but is so much more central to their strategy. If casuals don't play Nintendoland Nintendo can't graduate them up to core games. Hell, if they don't get Nintendoland, they're probably not going to get a WiiU at all. Nintendo has to get a foot in the door.
MoogleWizard
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I don't think it's dead, Nintendo will hopefully support it with their upcoming games.
It's just that they're aiming for the lowest price possible while still making a profit, that makes it very unlike that they'll include an additional controller IMO.
well they already are supporting it in nsmbu, pikmin 3, nintendoland, and it's being supported in pretty much any motion-controlled multiplayer game.
You are aware doicare is a joke character, right?
That's no more than a transition phase. Two years from now, almost no one will play with Wiimote and except some random Nintendeo game, no one will support it. Especially not 3rd Parties.
Also, who of you wants to use it instead of the WiiU controller? You just bought a new console which unique feature is a second screen and touchscreen controller. And you'll use your 6 years older Wiimote device instead? I don't think so. Even the die hard nintendo fans will go back to dual stick controls in ZombiU. And everything about "motion control is the future, lolz dualshock" will be forgotten by them because BigN says so.
Wii U only supports 2 gamepads, so of course it will support Wiimotes. The idea that Wiimote support will be dropped is dumb.
The Wii U's sales performance will be a good indication on where the industry is going.
If it flies off the shelves it means that there is still a lot of demand for unique controls and the console experience. If it fails to live up to expectations it might signal that casual customers have moved on to tablets and smartphones. Will be interesting to watch.
If it flies off the shelves it means that there is still a lot of demand for unique controls and the console experience. If it fails to live up to expectations it might signal that casual customers have moved on to tablets and smartphones. Will be interesting to watch.
Monty Mole
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Forget about us for a moment. Let's think about the general overall market.
Nintendo's biggest problem is they're going up against two (likely) cheaper well-established consoles which offer similar graphics and functionality and a vastly larger videogame library. Not to mention those two consoles also house hundreds of bargain-bin priced games too. PS3 and 360 are still very much well and alive too this time - it's a very different situation to when Wii launched. Xbox was dead, PS2 was tired, and 360 and PS3 were much more expensive, the latter only launching at the same time.
Having said all that, I think Nintendo may surprise us with their marketing. Again, this will be a device for "everyone" and I think the true console movers won't be the Marios or the Zeldas, but the lifestyle games. GamePad allows Nintendo to get all inventive again in this market - just watching the Wii Fit U trailer shows the types of ideas they have in mind. Also I think the advantage of getting the kids off the television and on to the GamePad at will helps the cause to keep the Wii U connected to the living room TV, rather than the bedroom TV.
The success really will lie in the marketing and I think we'll be seeing the 'benefits' of the Wii U GamePad in every TV commercial break before Christmas.
Nintendo's biggest problem is they're going up against two (likely) cheaper well-established consoles which offer similar graphics and functionality and a vastly larger videogame library. Not to mention those two consoles also house hundreds of bargain-bin priced games too. PS3 and 360 are still very much well and alive too this time - it's a very different situation to when Wii launched. Xbox was dead, PS2 was tired, and 360 and PS3 were much more expensive, the latter only launching at the same time.
Having said all that, I think Nintendo may surprise us with their marketing. Again, this will be a device for "everyone" and I think the true console movers won't be the Marios or the Zeldas, but the lifestyle games. GamePad allows Nintendo to get all inventive again in this market - just watching the Wii Fit U trailer shows the types of ideas they have in mind. Also I think the advantage of getting the kids off the television and on to the GamePad at will helps the cause to keep the Wii U connected to the living room TV, rather than the bedroom TV.
The success really will lie in the marketing and I think we'll be seeing the 'benefits' of the Wii U GamePad in every TV commercial break before Christmas.
i know i'd prefer it when playing platformers like nsmbu, unless someone else is using the tv in my apartment for some reason.
it was also really nice playing pikmin 3 with the nunchuk + wii remote setup.
So you miss out of the WiiU experience without giving a shit? Says a lot about the appeal of the WiiU controller. However, you will be in the minority by a huge margin.
MoogleWizard
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I'd love to use the Wiimote for the new Zelda (loved the motion controls in SS, they worked perfectly for me) and shooters, the Wiimote is the best controller for aiming on consoles by far.
i don't understand what the hell is going on here. i don't see any one new interesting or imaginative game with the wii u controller as the centerpiece (zombi u perhaps being the lone exception). but that second sentence makes you sound really down on the wii u's appeal, while the last one makes it sound like i'll be missing out on the party or something.
Holy Order Sol
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He just wants to go through the "discussion" that happened in his own thread he linked that basically amounts to "y'all are hypocrites".
IrishNinja
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they're pushing a multiplayer system with 1 tablet and we don't know when they'll be selling them separately.
you can't be serious. if they don't include one, it'll be because of cost, but they're still a default control scheme for a lot've things.
Freezie KO
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Regretfully, I'm just not going to buy Zombi U. Can't go back to dual sticks for shooters ever.
I thought it would be pretty obvious Wii U will ship with a Wiimote + nunchuk and the Gamepad both in the box.
Maybe not a pack in game, but given it plays with both control schemes, and is a multiplayer focussed console, there will be all in the box. Wiimotes must be cheap to make now, so its inclusion is all but given.
Rayman had that rhythm mode for the gamepad player IIRC.
And Nintendo Land seems to have a few games like the ghost hunting one that might make good use of it.
I agree, the 'killer app' game for the concept isnt quite there yet, but it does have a few interesting ideas out for it so far.
Maybe not a pack in game, but given it plays with both control schemes, and is a multiplayer focussed console, there will be all in the box. Wiimotes must be cheap to make now, so its inclusion is all but given.
Rayman had that rhythm mode for the gamepad player IIRC.
And Nintendo Land seems to have a few games like the ghost hunting one that might make good use of it.
I agree, the 'killer app' game for the concept isnt quite there yet, but it does have a few interesting ideas out for it so far.
It's the best launch they'vel ever had
I really can't see how it is...
Same old story... *sigh*
Thing is, if you don't then I imagine you'll be screwed next-generation apart from the odd developer that puts the effort in to give you options.
IrishNinja
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well...recent years, anyway. i dont recall much at GC or Wii launch that stood out, though i did love Luigi's Mansion, and Elebits.
if you're looking to be tagged later, you need to make it in the first 10 posts of the thread, just so you know
Rhazer Fusion
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$299 sounds about right and does seem like a reasonable price for Wii U, but what worries me is the inevitably cheaper PS3 and X360 system prices with a new COD and an immense assortment of great games with comparable graphics. The 3DS was $249, so $299 is most likely factual. The X360 and PS3 prices could end up being substantially cheaper than Wii U if the new model PS3 is anything to go by which obviously would make things more difficult for Nintendo. We will see though.
new systems usually take their time to establish themselves. the 360 actually had a pretty good post-launch period, but compared to the ps2, it wasn't that impressive. that's when the 360 was $300-$400 and the ps2 was $150. really, the only ones to just do shit-crazy out the gate were the ps2, the gba, and the wii.
if the wii u doesn't fall flat on its face, it'll probably be between 150k-225k for several of its first months in the us.
I know $299 USD is historically high for Nintendo hardware launches in the US, but hasnt the US dollar come down a lot with respect to many other currencies (Euro, Yen, GBP, AUD, CAD etc?)
Realistically, it wouldn't be surprising to see all new hardware launch at higher prices assuming they cost a similar amount to make in whichever territory they are manufactured.
Either way, I'm expecting $500 in Australia, but hoping for $400 tops.
Realistically, it wouldn't be surprising to see all new hardware launch at higher prices assuming they cost a similar amount to make in whichever territory they are manufactured.
Either way, I'm expecting $500 in Australia, but hoping for $400 tops.
boyshine
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Wii Remote is the main controller option for players 2-5 on Wii U.
Wii U Pro Controller is a secondary option mostly for MP FPS games.
To use your own words, there's no chance in hell Wii Remote is dead. The only challenge I can see from Nintendo's point of view is that they have to sell accessories for this console, and with the amount of Wii Remote controllers already sold, they're losing millions of dollars on accessory sales compared to having a "new and improved" Wii U Remote. The Pro Controller will not make up for that loss, so I'm curious about how they intend to face that, both for themselves and retail.
Freezie KO
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Yeah, it sucks. But there's enough games out there that even if I give up an entire genre on consoles (FPS), I'll still have something to play.
test_account
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Why do you think that he is a joke character?
MadeInBeats
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I just don't think it'll take that much effort to support motion input. Motional control is TOO GOOD for FPS/FPA games makers to not include it in their WiiU games. Do you think Sony will drop Move on the PS4? I'm not totally unconvinced Sony won't package the Move in with the PS4.
Also, I do believe if they try it, there'll be an uproar big enough from fans that they wouldn't have to choice to ignore it. In that event I'm sure a game could be remotely updated with WiiMote support.
Right...
Why are people saying Wiimote is dead??
How the hell are you supposed to play mulltplayer games on the Wii U if it only comes with ONE Wii U pad and only supports TWO at the same time??
Especially since Nintendo is actively promoting asymetrical gameplay. Even in the trailers they showed 5 people playing (1 Wii U pad, 4 Wiimotes).
The Wiimote is going NOWHERE. Such nonsense!
How the hell are you supposed to play mulltplayer games on the Wii U if it only comes with ONE Wii U pad and only supports TWO at the same time??
Especially since Nintendo is actively promoting asymetrical gameplay. Even in the trailers they showed 5 people playing (1 Wii U pad, 4 Wiimotes).
The Wiimote is going NOWHERE. Such nonsense!
evilromero
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Not even close. The Wii had Twilight Princess, Excite Truck and Wii Sports which together are better than anything Nintendo showed at E3. The GameCube launch also beats it with Rogue Leader, Super Monkey Ball, Luigi's Mansion and Wave Race.
AdventureRacing
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They are both pretty miserable launch lineups imo. Nothing against those games but i don't see how that could possibly be seen as much better than the wii U line-up.
evilromero
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You'd call a full-length Zelda game a poor launch title? Keep in mind I only listed the games I bought. The Wii and GameCube of course launched with several other titles that I didn't list. What launch was better? The PS2? Tekken Tag, Ridge Racer 5, Timesplitters, FantaVision? That's certainly not any better.
How about no? Twilight Princess is/was a Gamecube game, and Excite Trucks was pretty short and mediocre game overall. Wii Sports was awesome though.
I wouldn't call GC launch a smashing success either. Rogue Leader was great and all but... yeah. WiiU launch line-up dances around both of them.
MadeInBeats
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Brapp Brapp
*sigh* Okie doke.
Loghorn150
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I don't know about that. Most of the console sales from around the world on Wii, PS3, & 360 have gone down. This generation has been going on since November 2005 with Xbox 360, & it's already ran out of steam (especially since it's gone way, way past the usual 5-6 year generation mark).
Most people are going to want something new now. Not even Halo 4 is a guarantee that more people are going to buy Xbox 360's, when there's already a 68+ million userbase for it.
Yeah honestly I'm not sure how that game would function without motion controls... I suppose your right stick could be your sword? But yeah I don't see it playing well without them.
SS's controls are fine. The core mechanics wouldnt even make sense on the pro controller
I don't know if it has been posted, but Iwata was interviewed yesterday in Le Parisien, a french newspaper. He said attracting smartphone developpers was strategic and critical for Wii U's success.
I thought it was thread worthy but had no time to do it yesterday.
I thought it was thread worthy but had no time to do it yesterday.
Oh, it has nothing to do with controls. I don't like the feeling of disconnect playing with a wiimote and nunchuck. it just feels uncomfortable to me and I don't like it. I know the controls are fine. Seem plenty of people play it.
I'm just jealous because I can't play with a wiimote =\
SquiddyCracker
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Yeah, I expect the Wii U pro controller to be the standard MP controller.
With that said, there's probably 100+ million wiimotes out there in people's homes, so most developers will probably code in Wiimote controls as an alternative.
Wow, that's a real rag tag list youre pitching there
H_Prestige
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Has nintendo outright confirmed you can use the pro controller as a replacement for the pad, when the screen isn't required for the game? Like, even use it to turn on/off the system and navigate the menus?