Dating-Age |OT3| Positivity, Confidence, and Not Being a "Nice" Guy

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Well, actually I think what smelly is saying is correct but in the context of sex itself. The problem isn't that Crush was thinking, the problem is WHEN he is thinking and when he ISN'T thinking.

The dude did what he was comfortable with. From previous posts, he has very little experience with this, and he got spooked.

Next time, he will know how to handle the situation better, but to put this all on him is woefully unfair. Assuming she doesn't have any severe issues, she over-reacted.

They both handled the situation poorly.
 
The dude did what he was comfortable with. From previous posts, he has very little experience with this, and he got spooked.

Next time, he will know how to handle the situation better, but to put this all on him is woefully unfair. Assuming she doesn't have any severe issues, she over-reacted.

They both handled the situation poorly.

I realize that he didn't have prior experience but it's important for him to realize what he did going forward. Just faulting her isn't going to help him understand what went wrong.

Yes, she may overreacted but the point of Dating Age is to help people improve their dating lives. To do so requires tough love at times. I have read so many people trying to be 'nice' to people here. That is fine and all but it isn't going to help them improving.
 
Although the extremity of her reaction wasn't warranted, I too agree that Crush set her up for the fall.
Getting hot and heavy on/in bed for a couple of hours and then attempting to bail is always going to provoke a negative reaction.
It is a straight-up rejection, no matter how people try to rationalise it.
 
I realize that he didn't have prior experience but it's important for him to realize what he did going forward. Just faulting her isn't going to help him understand what went wrong.

Yes, she may overreacted but the point of Dating Age is to help people improve their dating lives. To do so requires tough love at times. I have read so many people trying to be 'nice' to people here. That is fine and all but it isn't going to help them improving.

In this regard, I would agree with you. Im willing to be he gets what is going on now...and the possible reason she reacted this way and what he did to possibly cause it.

There also could be other reasons that we aren't privy to, so to say the advice with absolute certainty ignores how fact intensive these siutations tend to be.
 
Even is she was just pissed of because he stopped when they were getting hot and heavy. (which is reasonable, i would be pissed to if a girl did it to me)
It's still a damn weird way of expressing it, expecially after he told her he wanted to take it slow.
 
I'd argue it has more to do with him rejecting her than it does him doing whatever he wants. Like I have said, he should definitely run but learn from this experience.

So after our weird tryst was over(About two hours in length of non stop making out). My alarm went off, reminding me that I had to get to work soon. I pushed her off(Gently) and told her that I'd had fun, but had to get to work. Saying how I wished we could stay in bed all day, but that for now I had to work.

No I don't think the rejection has more to to do with it. I think her feeling rejected triggered her reaction. And if he takes the advice to "just screw her" and then gets up to go to work and she feels rejected who knows what happens. Thankfully he doesn't have to worry about that now.
 
No I don't think the rejection has more to to do with it. I think her feeling rejected triggered her reaction. And if he takes the advice to "just screw her" and then gets up to go to work and she feels rejected who knows what happens. Thankfully he doesn't have to worry about that now.


Well, if it were me, I wouldn't have scheduled a date a few hours before I had to go to work, especially one where you're chilling at home. A better idea would be to get drinks or something where its very unlikely anything sexual will take place where you would need to stop midway in order to go to work.

Again, these are all things he will learn but part of learning is for others to educate him on his shortcomings and what to watch out for.
 
I would never just screw someone who is acting like she is under the assumption she wants me to take control. If she can't be fucking direct, then don't bother, that's how you end up being a rapist.
 
Buckle up guys.

So today was our second time together and we hung out at my place. Which she sugessted even and I did not. I picked her up, threw in a bluray and we watched a movie on my PS3 in my room. Having known that this was the plan to hang out and watch a movie days prior, I purchased some stuff like drinks(non alcoholic) and snacks. We sat there watching the movie and I put my arm around her after fighting with myself as to whether I should or not. She smiled and reciprocated. We talked a bit throughout the movie and I mentioned how the kiss the other day was unexpected on a first date, but that it was nice. At this point she took my arm off her shoulder and pushed me onto the bed, kissing me. I was a little confused, but definitely excited. (Although I did not want to go any further and was ready to tell her that. Let me reiterate. I could have slept with many women thus far but have always been a hopeless romantic.) We giggled a bit and out of nowhere she started rubbing up against me and being very frisky. I grabbed her hand and moved away a bit and tried to sit back up. She pushed me back down and started biting my neck, ears, etc. So yeah, at this point I was obviously very aroused and pardoned myself. She laughed it off and said: "It's okay. It's fine if you get hard". She kept fucking going and going, as we made out heavily. I didn't do much though since I was nervous and because I just didn't want to continue mentally. She then took my hands and placed them on her chest and lowered herself down so that my hands pushed into her breasts. I asked her if she wanted me to go on and she said "Yes". We continued making out and she fucking went insane. Like nails, teeth, all this shit.

Now obviously a total noob like me would be overwhelmed by this, and I truly was. It was exhilarating but scary in a way. Finally I pushed her off as I had put some food on the stove and our litle session had made me forget all about it. Of course I was seriously "risen" at this point and didn't feel comfrotable walking into the kitchen where a room-mate might be. She jumped off the bed, took a swig of her iced drink and kissed me again. Telling me "That'll cool you down". Yeah, no, it didn't. Anyway I went and turned the stove off, came back with the food and we ate while talking. After we finished I finally kissed her and I swear on the holy ghost itself, gently brushed her back with my hand as we lay down. She reciprocated and lunged into me, wrapping her legs around my waist and all. My hands went to her hips and she said "Not any lower...unless you ask". To which I said "Okay...may I?". She said yes and put them there herself. Then out of nowhere she grabbed my butt and I laughed, asking her what happened to asking first. She said, and I quote: "There's things that I want to do to you, that I may not want you to do to me." At this point I was just deep in lust and laughed it off. While my mind feebly screamed: "What?!".

I was a perfect gentleman the entire time. A lot of people in real life and even some of you guys on GAF can attest to that. I won't even stare at a woman if she's wearing something skimpy without making eye contact first at least. My mom did not raise me to mistreat women in any way and I have sisters. I would never want any guy to treat them badly or anything either. So I always treat women close to me very well. And especially so if they're a potential love interest. Any-time I touched her I always asked first. So much so at one point she said: "Are you going to ask every time?". I could easly have dominated her physically, but I did not once force myself on her in any manner. I gave her full control for the most part and only ever chimed in when she bit too hard or when I felt that we were going to far. The entire time I showered her with compliments(truthfully) and was very gentle.

So after our weird tryst was over(About two hours in length of non stop making out). My alarm went off, reminding me that I had to get to work soon. I pushed her off(Gently) and told her that I'd had fun, but had to get to work. Saying how I wished we could stay in bed all day, but that for now I had to work. She pushed me back down and straddled me, scratching my abdomen and biting my neck. I told her that I seriously had to go and would drop her off. She swung a leg off and laughed, kissed me agan and said some other day as she lay back. I quickly grabbed my work clothes from the hangers and helped her up.

SHE THEN SAT AT THE EDGE OF THE BED. PUT HER HEAD UP AND LOOKED AT THE CEILING. SIGHING.I asked her what was the matter since I could see her eyes getting watery and her face turning red. She slumped over, face in hands. At this point my energy high and arousal just died like nothing and I dropped my clothes, walked over and just hugged her. Asking what was wrong. Kissed her forehead, absolutely fucking confused. THIS WAS MY SECOND DATE EVER. WHY WAS THE GIRL CRYING?! I thought maybe she had some family issue, personal issue, etc, I didn't fucking know. I soothingly coaxed it out of her and she said this, THIS!:

AND. I. FUCKING. QUOTE. Because Lord knows that I'll never forget:

"JUST BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING OUT, DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU GET TO DO WHATEVER YOU WANT WITH MY BODY. I'M NOT JUST FOR YOU TO POP."

What. What?? What?! My heart sank like the fucking Titanic and there was this... immeasurable wave of filth that just washed over me. I immediately let go of her as I sat dumbfounded. Never in my life have I ever felt so guilty and dirty. The way she looked at me, her posture, her eyes; I felt as if I'd just raped someone. Taken something incredibly private from them. I'd basically touched and seen everything from the waist up and now I felt so powerfully that I'd just violated her. Guilt. Guilt was all I could feel and guilt is STILL a large part of what I feel now. This woman was someone that I was starting to care about, that I'd spent my free time talking with and getting to know. That I'd allowed into my house warmly and into my bed. The only woman who's ever shared a bed with me. And now I quite literally felt like a monster who'd lured her in and violated her.

I didn't know what to say. She just sat there whimpering and I clasped my mouth with both hands, mind racing. Finally I blurted out a weak "sorry" and put my arm around her. Reassuring her that I would never treat her as a sexual tool, have never treated any woman that way; and that in the future, I'd always ask before doing anything again. She sniffled some more and I gently ushered her up and out. We got in the car and as I drove her home, my face must've been ashen. I truly felt as if I'd broken some sanctimonious trust. But my mind was slamming into my vision, and as I drove, I straight up said: "What did I do wrong?". And this is the point where I went from guilt to guilt bordering on anger: "It..it's just that when I do something to you. It's because...I want too. But the way you touched me at times, I felt as if you were trying to take advantage of me."

I had damn near half my mind to slam on the brakes and just stare at her. HOW IN THE GLORIOUS FUCK?! Me? Me?! The guy who you'd spent an entire day talking and hanging out with, trading stories, agreeing on pretty much every moral standing, THE GUY WHO'D TOLD YOU FIRST THAT HE WANTED TO TAKE THINGS SLOW AND WAS IN NO RUSH TO HAVE SEX? That guy?! I didn't fucking know that making out was considered having sex! Anyway. I dropped her off and went to work. My mood has been a mess since.

Never have I been so close to a woman before and never have I seen or felt the things I did today. But. I don't fucking understand how that makes me a monster for giving into my physical urges to a point. The point of "DO NOT HURT HER IN ANY WAY". Everything that she did to me, I never took offense too. I corrected her if it was too much or inappropriate at this stage, but I did not guilt trip her about it. Is this not what we're supposed to discuss? Boundaries and whatnot? So what the fuck is the problem?!

Here is what I'm going to do:
I'm going to talk to her and explain very warmly that we perhaps took it too far too fast and did not set boundaries well enough.(Even though we did...). I will apologize again for any inappropriate touching(During a fucking makeout session??) and tell her that perhaps for now, it'd be best if we were cordial friends.

I'm sorry guys, but this type of reaction is a bright red danger sign; even to me. I'm thinking that maybe some guy tried to force himself on her in the past or something based on her breakdown. I'm not certain. But I certainely won't and can't deal with this much drama in my first relationship. It's not even that I could/will talk to her about this. It's the fact that when and if I see her again, I'm going to feel...betrayal? And anger. Because as much as she went insane about this, I too opened a very intimate and private side of myself to her as well. I screwed up by trusting her too fast with my body and letting the physical side escalate so quick. She's the one who made all the first moves physically and I'm the one who had to keep reassuring her that I really did want to know her and that it'd be weeks or months before I desired intimacy. Yet now I'm the one feeling like utter shit.

I literally feel as if I'd dirtied my hands. Not in my feelings, but in have simply touching her. And I just can't see how fearing touching the person you care about and hurting them because of that is anything that a novice like me should be dealing with.

Fuck.
lol, she's crazy man. when you said she sighed I assumed it was because you wouldn't give it up, as that's what most girls would be sighing about under those circumstances. just cut her out, not worth your time.

either that or she's pissed because you gave her the female equivalent of blue balls by being the 'perfect gentlemen'.
 
I can agree with this. Girl still freaked out and was extremely rude which is bad form and doesn't bode well for future relations. That's all I'm trying to say.

I've actually changed my mind about this.

Girl was supposed to be as shy as fuck at first, opened, up, made out with the lad for 2 hours and then get spurned, just because some guy is too fixated on himself and on how HE feels..

He wants to sleep with her when HE feels it right, and for her it all seemed right at that moment.

Which might have explained her comment. Which in an nutshell was about him being selfish. And only wanting to Pop her in her words when ever HE feels like it.


Her words used might not of been right, but she makes a good point considering she was originally pursued by him, was reluctant at first, and then gave in, and then was seemingly rejected or pushed away in her mind.


This may very well be over, from her point of view.
 
Crush Dance: She sounds like a rape or attempted rape victim. There's only so much you can do if it makes her uncomfortable and she won't talk it out with you. If she wants this relationship tell her that she needs to trust you.

I've BEEN with girls that were raped and they weren't at all like this. People take stuff differently sure, and this girl has serious issues beyond just that.

Not your fault at all Crush Dance, she has serious issues. If you want to stay sane yourself remember that all of that shit is on her, not you. The dirty & guilty stuff... just stop thinking that.

Should have fucked her. Stop asking permission for every single touch.

The asking permission is an issue unless you're role playing. She TOLD him to ask permission. That's when you either bail out or figure out what's going on in her mind.

Normally you don't ask permission.

But no, he shouldn't have raped her.

Part of me believes she was playing out some fantasy, the other, believes youre possibly getting pulled into some mind game.

Feels like she read 50 shades of grey and also happens to be completely insane.

Even more reason to step away perhaps then.
I feel like we're getting trolled sort of. It sounds a bit too bad to be true, almost. Suspiciously well-written too. Maybe it's just me?

I agree the whole post reads like a fan fiction.

Crushdance, I'm going to be real with you. This girl does have insecurities (many do), but one thing that made her insecure is the fact that you did not (try to) have sex with her. This makes her feel unattractive and unwanted by you. The way she expressed this to you is by using your values against you in a very gross attack. In all honesty though, do yourself a favor, simplify your life and start sleeping with the girls you're seeing as soon as you can. IT JUST MAKES THINGS WAY WAY EASIER for you and her.

Yeah, but it's not any guy's responsibility to sex a girl who puts up weird resistance. If she was SANE she'd be able to take the fact that he had to go to work. If he had gone through with it he might have ended up in jail.



Anyways, not too much new to say here. I've been dating a girl that's a bit different than any I've met so far though. She comes off a bit nerdy, she doesn't have much dating experience or sex experience, but she's fucking amazing in bed. Wow. She's way more passionate than any girl I've met so far. It does concern me a bit while I absolutely enjoy our time together so far, she's not someone I'd want to spend the rest of my life with. Not sure what would be best to do...
 
I would never just screw someone who is acting like she is under the assumption she wants me to take control. If she can't be fucking direct, then don't bother, that's how you end up being a rapist.

In Crush's case, she was very direct in what she wanted. At least according to his story.
 
The asking permission is an issue unless you're role playing. She TOLD him to ask permission. That's when you either bail out or figure out what's going on in her mind.

Normally you don't ask permission.

But no, he shouldn't have raped her.
The way the story was told she said that playfully/teasingly.

I don't see why anyones mentioning rape when a girl came into your bed and willingly initiated without being under the influence of anything.
 
This may very well be over, from her point of view.
Might be true.

I've run into this issue before.

Guys are expected to take rejection, girls aren't.

My advice to this dude is that he needs to talk to her. Don't be all snivelly or overly apologetic, but needs to try and explain what he was thinking. AND FAST....the window of this girl writing him off (if indeed she was reacting to his rejection and not a deeper issue), is being slammed shut...he needs to get in under the buzzer.
 
In Crush's case, she was very direct in what she wanted. At least according to his story.

She wasn't direct at all with why she was upset, a line like this:

"JUST BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING OUT, DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU GET TO DO WHATEVER YOU WANT WITH MY BODY. I'M NOT JUST FOR YOU TO POP."

If she can't actually talk to him and explain her actual problem to the point, she isn't worth dealing with. And if she doesn't like the idea that he's not always up to fuck, then SHE'S the selfish one.
 
What I'd like to know is what happened afterwards, the OP made it out like he would never see her again but what exactly happened?

Did she tell you to never call her again?
Did you tell her to never call you again?
 
She wasn't direct at all with why she was upset, a line like this:



If she can't actually talk to him and explain her actual problem to the point, she isn't worth dealing with. And if she doesn't like the idea that he's not always up to fuck, then SHE'S the selfish one.

He did invite her up to his bedroom. Can't blame her for thinking differently.
 
If you are a nice, virginal guy you do not need to involve yourself with a woman who has such issues. It will do harm to yourself and your perception of women.


You either need a nice, virgin (or near-virgin) or an experienced, not effed-up succubus.
 
I unno, based on that story if he wanted to get laid he would have done it.

He basically did everything possible to resist having sex.

Hence the fucked up defence mechanism reaction, making it seem like he was the problem and not her. It's a form of repression. Instead of her thinking, "What's wrong with me, Why doesn't he want to sleep with me after getting all hot and steamy for two hours in his bedroom" They're strong emotions involved, don't expect a girl who is really shy apparently to suddenly start to logic her way out of them in the heat of the moment.

There's obviously an underlying issue with her. But hey, if you don't get to know a person first, you're playing with fire anyway.
 
So I have a bit of an, er, embarassing problem that I could do with some advice with. Last week while having sex with my girl (kind of rough sex actually) I seemed to have cut the inside of my foreskin and its just slowly healing up now. Usually this wouldn't be too much of a problem but this weekend is her birthday and she's the type of girl that loves sex (she seriously told me that lots of sex is very important to her) and I'm a bit worried about if it's going to be possible for us to have sex this weekend as obviously I want to and I know that she'll be very pissed if its not possible.
 
If it really was a troll it deserves to be nominated best of 2012.
The major is wounded and my girl wants to see some infantry action for her birthday WHAT DO I DO
Good time to brush up on your cunning linguist skills and using your hands and fingers. If you're really that worried, just abstain until her birthday night, do some creative stuff to really lengthen out the foreplay that way the main event doesn't have to last too long.
 
So I have a bit of an, er, embarassing problem that I could do with some advice with. Last week while having sex with my girl (kind of rough sex actually) I seemed to have cut the inside of my foreskin and its just slowly healing up now. Usually this wouldn't be too much of a problem but this weekend is her birthday and she's the type of girl that loves sex (she seriously told me that lots of sex is very important to her) and I'm a bit worried about if it's going to be possible for us to have sex this weekend as obviously I want to and I know that she'll be very pissed if its not possible.

POST OF THE DAMN YEAR ON DATING AGE.

Congratulations sir. You make us all proud.
 
I don't see why anyones mentioning rape when a girl came into your bed and willingly initiated without being under the influence of anything.

If a girl comes to your room and you rape her it's still rape.

So I have a bit of an, er, embarassing problem that I could do with some advice with. Last week while having sex with my girl (kind of rough sex actually) I seemed to have cut the inside of my foreskin and its just slowly healing up now. Usually this wouldn't be too much of a problem but this weekend is her birthday and she's the type of girl that loves sex (she seriously told me that lots of sex is very important to her) and I'm a bit worried about if it's going to be possible for us to have sex this weekend as obviously I want to and I know that she'll be very pissed if its not possible.

Depends on what part of your foreskin. You might need a doctor. You do not want to fuck up (as in ruin) your penis, dude.
 
So I have a bit of an, er, embarassing problem that I could do with some advice with. Last week while having sex with my girl (kind of rough sex actually) I seemed to have cut the inside of my foreskin and its just slowly healing up now. Usually this wouldn't be too much of a problem but this weekend is her birthday and she's the type of girl that loves sex (she seriously told me that lots of sex is very important to her) and I'm a bit worried about if it's going to be possible for us to have sex this weekend as obviously I want to and I know that she'll be very pissed if its not possible.

Dude, don't have sex for some time.
Let it scab and heal up properly before you get back into business.

Just give her sex coupons she can cash in at anytime, make them really well-designed and she might forgive you.
 
So I have a bit of an, er, embarassing problem that I could do with some advice with. Last week while having sex with my girl (kind of rough sex actually) I seemed to have cut the inside of my foreskin and its just slowly healing up now. Usually this wouldn't be too much of a problem but this weekend is her birthday and she's the type of girl that loves sex (she seriously told me that lots of sex is very important to her) and I'm a bit worried about if it's going to be possible for us to have sex this weekend as obviously I want to and I know that she'll be very pissed if its not possible.

...talk to her about your situation?

I don't mean to be rude but what type of advice are you looking for? Are you not able to communicate with her?
 
So I have a bit of an, er, embarassing problem that I could do with some advice with. Last week while having sex with my girl (kind of rough sex actually) I seemed to have cut the inside of my foreskin and its just slowly healing up now. Usually this wouldn't be too much of a problem but this weekend is her birthday and she's the type of girl that loves sex (she seriously told me that lots of sex is very important to her) and I'm a bit worried about if it's going to be possible for us to have sex this weekend as obviously I want to and I know that she'll be very pissed if its not possible.

Eat her out. Finger her. Use a dildo or vibrator.

Christ.
 
I can blame her for acting like a petulant child.

True, but she might of have abandonment issues, might of been some what neglected as a child, hence her current shyness into early adulthood. Most of these things don't get resolved until the person themselves recognise them. She hasn't. So her way of protecting herself is to naturally project blame elsewhere, instead of thinking that there's something wrong with herself.

Like I said risky game if you don't get to really know a person first, which ultimately is the issue here. He doesn't know her and she doesn't know him.
 
True, but she might of have abandonment issues, might of been some what neglected as a child, hence her current shyness into early adulthood. Most of these things don't get resolved until the person themselves recognise them. She hasn't. So her way of protecting herself is to naturally project blame elsewhere, instead of thinking that there's something wrong with herself.

Like I said risky game if you don't get to really know a person first, which ultimately is the issue here. He doesn't know her and she doesn't know him.

Good point.
 
You seem to bring this topic up alot.

Story?

Lol, don't get defensive. I just have female friends who have been raped. As I said I've been with girls that were raped.

If a girl pushes you away, puts up resistance, whatever and you force sex her, that's rape. It doesn't matter if you're faking some pick up artist / college frat boy bullshit. Maybe you guys are just talking big on here, which is most likely. But either way I gotta set you right if you seriously believe that stuff.

Girl coming to your room is not permission to have sex with her.
Girl biting your neck is not permission to have sex with her.
 
Thanks for the replies, yeah i'll talk to her about it when I see her tomorrow and then i'll have to make do with my mouth and fingers tomorrow lol.
 
If a girl comes to your room and you rape her it's still rape.

Yeah, except she went to his room, initiated, straddled him, etc. If he had continued to escalate and she had not said no or resisted, and eventually they had sex, then no...that's not rape.
 
Lol, don't get defensive. I just have female friends who have been raped. As I said I've been with girls that were raped.

If a girl pushes you away, puts up resistance, whatever and you force sex her, that's rape. It doesn't matter if you're faking some pick up artist / college frat boy bullshit. Maybe you guys are just talking big on here, which is most likely. But either way I gotta set you right if you seriously believe that stuff.

Girl coming to your room is not permission to have sex with her.
Girl biting your neck is not permission to have sex with her.

Im certainly not defensive. I agree with everything you are saying in this regard.

You just bring it up alot, thats all.
 
Yeah, except she went to his room, initiated, straddled him, etc. If he had continued to escalate and she had not said no, and eventually they had sex, then no...that's not rape.

Not necessarily true. If you're looking to fuck someone you should make sure it's a yes, not that there is an absence of no.
 
Yeah, except she went to his room, initiated, straddled him, etc. If he had continued to escalate and she had not said no, and eventually they had sex, then no...that's not rape.

Im not going to get into the legal definitions of consent v non-consent and does it require an affirmitive non-consent, but just be very aware of how the situation may look. Always.

<end lawyer gaf>
 
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