I saw this coming but it still made me laugh.
Multiple people shot at Wisconsin Sikh temple
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I saw this coming but it still made me laugh.
Joel Was Right
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Because in the eyes of those people:
They are brown
They often grow their beards long
They have something on their heads
= Muslim
Choke on the Magic
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Quit acting retarded. I'm refering to the fact that it makes it more difficult for a normal citizen like my self to get access to guns. The gun laws don't curb crime.
Shake Appeal
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No, I favour extremely restrictive laws on devices whose sole purpose is to cause devastating harm as efficiently as possible, and which, among other things, help to make suicide easier and more impulsive.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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So this is the motherfucker huh?
And my God, he still uses MySpace. He truly is backwards.
speculawyer
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Well that's a novel argument. Is the right-wing now advocating a right-to-die angle for guns? That kinda conflicts with all the religious woo-woo in the platform about hating gays and banning abortion.
Alligatorjandro
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If Obama wins I think it will get worse.
Count Dookkake
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I'm actually surprised it took this long. Perhaps the Tea Party acted as a pressure-release valve for a while.
planar1280
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Would you label an attack on a church by a fundamentalist america muslim as a terrorist attack?
There is your answer
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Isn't the FBI considering it a domestic terrorist attack?
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Beats me I'm a democrat who supports gays and the right to sn abortion, but please keep generalizing gun owners.
The study he quotes is rather clear cut that suicides are reduced due to people not having insta-death machines available to act on a passing impulse.
Just because the "liberal" facts don't match with what you want to believe doesn't mean you have to outright lie about it.
The guy is a former Nazi leader, fuck them. Nazi's should be banned, screw the 1st amendment.
They're the same as fundamentalist and aggressive religious/political groups, fuel for all the crazies out there.
This has to be a bullshit explanation, only brain-dead stumps can't see the difference between the two.
They're the same as fundamentalist and aggressive religious/political groups, fuel for all the crazies out there.
NBC News said:
This has to be a bullshit explanation, only brain-dead stumps can't see the difference between the two.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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A gun's sole purpose is not cause devasting harm anymore than a car or kitchen knife.
I'll think of that next time I'm driving my gun to work or shooting my steak into easy-fry strips.
BlazingDarkness
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You're highly overestimating the general publics ability to distinguish between the two.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Than why is Japans suicide rate so high? Last I checked they dont have lots of insta death machines available.
This is the most bizarre sentence I've read in a while. What?
then why the post "So why do liberals believe in the right to commit suicide, but blame the object used, as if it has a will of its own?" if you're now claiming to be a dirty liberal?
rofl. Now I've seen it all. Is that why we equip the army with guns instead of a carving knife? Is that why natives with "lethal" spears and arrows got slaughtered by guns? A gun is designed to kill. It is its sole purpose. It is far more lethally proficient than a knife or car. The only things above it are bombs, shells, and other heavy ordnance.
planar1280
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smh at some people and the media.
Why do people need to say the shooter probably thought Sikh were Muslim, why is this being continously being pointed out that Sikh look like Muslims and maybe that is why they were targeted. Anyone who has stepped beyond the borders of the United States would know Sikh and Arabs and even people in the subcontinent have distinctly different garments and styles.
What if they were Muslims instead of Sikh, would that make an iota of a difference? People are dead for God's sakes who gives a shit that they looked like one or the other. Would their being Muslims make this some sort of twisted justification. This is all Islamophobia by the media and racism by the Gunsman. Plain and Simple
Why do people need to say the shooter probably thought Sikh were Muslim, why is this being continously being pointed out that Sikh look like Muslims and maybe that is why they were targeted. Anyone who has stepped beyond the borders of the United States would know Sikh and Arabs and even people in the subcontinent have distinctly different garments and styles.
What if they were Muslims instead of Sikh, would that make an iota of a difference? People are dead for God's sakes who gives a shit that they looked like one or the other. Would their being Muslims make this some sort of twisted justification. This is all Islamophobia by the media and racism by the Gunsman. Plain and Simple
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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You never shoot skeet or paper targets?
BlazingDarkness
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I lol'd
There's no way you can be this dense. It means Japan's suicide rate would be even higher with guns available. Or do you really think you can dismiss a peer-reviewed study with one sentence? How can logic fail you so badly? And way to dodge how you lied about what the study reported before.
They're called airsoft guns. You don't need something that can blast through flesh and bone to put a hole in some paper.
Shitty culture.
I don't think we should use this to start a gun debate though, the shooter only used 2 handguns right? You can get those everywhere in the world, banned or not banned.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Liberal and Democrat do not equal the other. Also your reaponse to my point on Japan...is to claim it would be higher, ignoring the non need for guns by the Japanese to kill themselves.
Nope.
Angry Fork
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Manos I know even you know this is a ridiculous sentence. Knife's and cars have sole purposes that aren't meant to kill other people. Guns were designed to kill people and are still primarily used for that purpose and you know it. There's no debate about it. You would be just better off saying you still think Americans should have the 'freedom' to have them. It's not a convincing argument since it seems that freedom continues to be to a detriment to other people but it's still a lot better than guns = cars.
Shake Appeal
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Come on, dude, you can't be this obtuse. Cars are intended for transportation, kitchen knives for the preparation of food; both can be turned to devastating ends, either deliberately or by accident, but it is not the purpose of a car or kitchen knife to cause harm.
A gun is intended and designed to fire a projectile with high velocity and accuracy at a given target. Whether that target is a deer, a glass bottle, or another human, the end result is intentional, devastating harm to that target.
Only in recreational contest (e.g. shooting at the Olympics) is the intention anything other than causing harm to the thing aimed at. Such recreational contest uses air rifles, and is far down the list of what guns are most commonly used for.
David Incorporated Esq.
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You're giving people way too much credit on this one.
Some of the comments about this incident below online articles are incredibly pathetic. Radical right trolls are out in full force. Some are mad at him but totally understand why he did it, "too much multiculturalism and immigration" destroying white identity. Basically they are fellow nazis but too scared to admit it even while anonymous online.
And again you ignore the study saying suicides were reduced, not eliminated. Can you not read?
Daydream Sequence
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It's considered a domestic terrorism incident. Thus the FBI took over.
Yes, of course I would.
Man I will never, ever understand the problem the far right has with "multiculturalism" or why it's supposedly a terrible thing.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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You really have to look into competitive shooting some more if you think it'd just air guns.
Choke on the Magic
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The guy is a former Nazi leader, fuck them. Nazi's should be banned, screw the 1st amendment.
They're the same as fundamentalist and aggressive religious/political groups, fuel for all the crazies out there.
This has to be a bullshit explanation, only brain-dead stumps can't see the difference between the two.
So glad you're not a US citizen. Let's make it illegal to assemble, protest, have religion because a neo nazi shot people. The anti-gun people have a better arguement than you and theirs isn't very good.
Daydream Sequence
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Think about what the phrase "ultra conservative" implies, and you have your answer.
These are just buzz words, the problem they have is that too many non-white people are entering the nation. The main issue has been hispanic immigration but they are angry at all immigrants.
David Incorporated Esq.
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People are often scared by people who are different. That's all it is.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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My points Japan has showed guns are irrelevant to large numbers of people killing themselves or need insta death machines to do it.
Shake Appeal
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Hint: when you are focusing on a smaller and smaller part of someone's argument with each successive post, you are losing the debate.
It shouldn't even be a point of speculation at this point now that we know the guy is a Nazi. I'm pretty sure they hate all non-white people.
I will grant that harm is not a gun's sole purpose. But it is the gun's primary purpose, with some target practice thrown in at the end. Guns are made to kill. There is absolutely no comparison to a car or a knife.
I probably shot my first gun when I was about 10. Years before I ever even touched a gun it was made very clear that you never point a gun at anything unless you plan to kill it.
The car comparison is silly. The knife comparison ever so slightly less so. I do support the right to own a gun, but the US's gun laws are way too lax.
Joel Was Right
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They dont like the changing visible demographics. In some communities, ethnic minorities are not visibly the minority. Add the financial problems, global wars, and the Internet allowing a platform for such opinions to be magnified and you get 'multiculturalism' becoming mainstream enough to be a political issue
Again, why do you need a weapon that can cut through people to put a hole in a paper target? And is that really suppose to justify your comment that "A gun's sole purpose is not cause devasting harm anymore than a car or kitchen knife."?
Pretty sickening you're having to perform cognitive dissonance in order to pretend that people's lives couldn't be saved by gun control.
And again, the study clearly shows that an even larger number would have killed themselves if gun were widely available. A child could understand the premise.
theignoramus
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we dont know that Sikhs were the "wrong" target, the only thing that's known is the guy was a neo-Nazi.
David Incorporated Esq.
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It's also worth noting that target practice became a thing because you wanted to be better at shooting so you could hit the other guy before he hit you. It's kind of like jousting or fencing; sure it's a sport but it started off as practice for actual fighting and killing.
Okay buddy. Guns are by definition designed to do intense irreparable damage to something.
That something could be human beings, animals or paper targets. Doesn't change it's purpose.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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So you're afraid to answer then? I understand since your air gun or only at the Olympics claim is hilariously easy to disprove. I guess the M1 Garands at Camp Perry National Matches are only air guns.
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