But how will they get invited to play vidja gaems with gb if they don't defend everything they do?
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But how will they get invited to play vidja gaems with gb if they don't defend everything they do?
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
And a certain section talk shit about others to feel better about themselves.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
People criticize public figures all the time and have done so well before the Internet. Sportscasters, actors, athletes, reporters, journalists, talk show hosts, movie reviewers, singers, politicians, etc. It's nothing new.
If the guy said something in an inappropriate manner, I don't think people would have disagreed with someone calling him out. But what the guy said could hardly be considered insensitive.
To be fair some of us are actually paying for them to some extent...but that's beside the point anyway.
Like somebody else was saying, those guys are public figures so they are automatically open to criticism and, as long as it's done respectfully (like people have done here today) then that's part of the game. They knew what they were getting in when they started a public job like that and, anyway, they don't really give a shit what people think (rightfully so).
YoYo Switch
Banned
No that's not how I feel, crap dude quit pushing things on me.
don't you think that's a completely immature way to explain my motivations?
What if I called you "entitled" or some other word GAF loves so much. Goddamnit dude this isn't the way
YoYo Switch
Banned
c'mon dude it's not like that and you know it. Be rational.
Whatever I fucking hate giant bomb threads anyway I'm out don't bother replying to my shit because I won't bother responding
Peace
Enough with the dogpiling on the guy for posting his opinion.
I think that the Bombcast conversation flows better with 4 people regardless of who it is. But then some of my favorite Bombcast stuff is from back when it was just Jeff, Ryan and some energy drinks. "M&M Kart Racer! Race karts! Rap about how much you hate your mom!"
I think that the Bombcast conversation flows better with 4 people regardless of who it is. But then some of my favorite Bombcast stuff is from back when it was just Jeff, Ryan and some energy drinks. "M&M Kart Racer! Race karts! Rap about how much you hate your mom!"
Mr. Enigma
Member
This is true, but that's not what newjeruse did. He simply stated he liked the Bombcast better without him, but acknowledged the situation that took out Patrick wasn't a good one and wasn't celebrating that.
I don't know if you're implying that's what he did or not.
If he had sent a direct message to Patrick simply saying, "I like the Bombcast better without you," yeah, that would be a bit insensitive to do at such a point in his life. But he expressed a respectful opinion on a message board in a thread dedicated to discussion on all things Giant Bomb.
GazzaScotland
Member
Its the internet, its what happens. I'm sure they are big enough and bad enough to handle it without you getting angry about it for their sake.
I'm firmly in the been better without him camp, purely because I feel that the original four have this chemistry which has built up over a very long period of time and it's very natural. Patrick comes across as uncomfortable in the Bombcast situation and I think it doesn't do him justice.
I've noticed that he's been submitting work on the site in his absence, quietly doing what he was hired to do in the first place which is news and features and it says a lot about him that he's continued to contribute to the site when it would be perfectly understandable given his circumstances not to. He deserves some kudos for that, no question but I just don't get his inclusion on the Bombcast, it just doesn't fit for me. I still listen but it doesn't have that same hit as before.
There again I realise this is probably too well realised opinion that I've come to after giving it some serious thought over the past year or so *shrugs*
I've noticed that he's been submitting work on the site in his absence, quietly doing what he was hired to do in the first place which is news and features and it says a lot about him that he's continued to contribute to the site when it would be perfectly understandable given his circumstances not to. He deserves some kudos for that, no question but I just don't get his inclusion on the Bombcast, it just doesn't fit for me. I still listen but it doesn't have that same hit as before.
There again I realise this is probably too well realised opinion that I've come to after giving it some serious thought over the past year or so *shrugs*
ThusZarathustra
Member
How dare you be so insensitive! Why can't you just keep these things to yourself! Other assorted white-knight phraseology!
Mr. Enigma
Member
You forgot the part about how he's clearly a virgin.
Hellsing321
Member
I really hope that QLEX isn't the last we see of P4:Arena on the site.
I know, what a Gigantic Monster Virgin (if that's not a good tag for someone I don't know what is) I am ;-)
Patrick writes interesting articles which I read (and enjoy I might add), and I like that GB has them on the site as it dovetails nicely with the other material on offer. Jeff was totally right to bring him on-board as he contributes a lot to the site and I want to see him thrive, but he just doesn't do it for me on the Bombcast like he does elsewhere on the site.
Tbh I think the bigger concern is the one that's been expressed elsewhere in this thread about how since the buyout things don't seem 100% going their way (like many others I missed the Radio Show on Friday, want to hear more about the frustrations expressed there).
i'm gonna assume TNTs will happen, unless they chicken out from fear of being whooped online in front of a live audience.
ThusZarathustra
Member
Oh, totally.
I think they ended up running smack-dab into the red-tape bureaucratic nightmare of the corporate world in general, which many folks were talking about in fear back when Whiskey and its backers ran out of money or just saw an opportunity for some good profit from the sale. It's hard to get any clear picture of what's been going on over there now, but it's pretty obvious that the resources they envisioned and waxed a tad lyrical about haven't managed to materialize.
The corporate world moves like molasses, doubly so in relation to an outfit like Giant Bomb, who don't have a whole lot of formal protocol or hierarchy. With any luck the site redesign will coincide with other bits of progress as well.
John Rabbit
Banned
actually it sounded more like the typical office environment issues of nobody taking the initiative unless it directly affects them. vinny insomuch as confirmed this when he said he just started taking furniture apart in some room and nobody has yet to say anything.
i'm sure the guys have attempted to make nice with their new corporate overlords by asking for things and getting permission to do certain projects. more often in that situation it's not so much a "no" as it is "uh, we'll look into that" without any real intention. at some point you just do what you want and wait to see if anyone notices/cares.
also, just an observation: some of the past few bombcasts (sans patrick) have been some of their best in recent memory. just saying.
You know what's mindful of his situation? Not bringing up that the Bombcast is better now that he hasn't been on it for a while. It doesn't matter how he said it.
I'm far from being in the GB defense force, don't single out the guy who throws epithets around...
This is about being a decent human being and would apply to just about anyone something like this was directed at. ("Public figure", my ass.) If he'd gone on vacation, fine, mouth off. But that's a far cry from being aware of why he's gone, realizing (at least in theory) that it is a sensitive topic, and then still feeling like it's OK to mention how his absence improved the Bombcast. How aware are you, really?
"It's the Internet", I know, but come on, don't defend that...
What is wrong with that? What's wrong with saying memes, and people having fun with Chie? The community having fun together with the GB crew, isn't that what TNT is about? Seriously, a new Persona 4 game is out, and for Giantbomb should be having it for TNT. WTF is up with doing Tribes?? FPS games make the most BORING tnts imo.
EDIT: And you know there would be no shortage of people wanting to play the game on TNT. You say the chat would be full of nothing but memes...well now the chat will be nothing but people upset that it's not P4A.
Great post, couldn't have said it any better.
Fox Mulder
Member
I attribute that to the lack of anything in gaming. Maybe he'd have plenty of stuff to add to the conversations about arcade cabs, number stations, and the other random stuff that's better than forcing themselves to talk about whatever is coming out during the drought.
Mr. Enigma
Member
It's a sensitive point if you were talking to Patrick Klepek directly, not when you're respectfully stating an opinion on a thread designed to discuss all things Giant Bomb. Your mentality goes back to my original point of people thinking they are actually friends with the GB guys.
brianmcdoogle
Member
I'd attribute it to being only 4 people podcasts again. Without having to put in one more person's opinions, regardless of who that other person is, there's a lot more breathing room to go on tangents and get deeper into certain topics.
No, it doesn't. It's clear that they read this thread at least. Patrick himself has shown up as well, so don't give me this bullshit about whatever personal delusions you've dreamed up for anyone whose opinions you don't agree with, however logical it may sound in your mind.
John Rabbit
Banned
this is mostly my problem. five talking heads is one too many. almost everybody's personal quirks get worse when it's over 4 people.
Mr. Enigma
Member
At any rate, what the guy said was not in bad taste. If you think it is, you're overreacting greatly. The guy went out of his way to mention that he wasn't making light of Patrick's unfortunate personal situation. He also expressed his opinion without being rude or disrespectful.
You original point is bullshit. No one here thinks they are friends with anyone on Giant Bomb. They just realize the poor taste of "Gee it's awesome without Patrick since his dad died" comments.
darkressurection
Banned
Yeah because that is TOTALLY what the original dude said. :/
Actually, it is.
I already went over why that hardly makes it better. But since we've begun going in circles, I'll leave it at that and go play video games instead.
ThusZarathustra
Member
Ya'll have no idea how tempted I was to just repeat everything in this post after "as well, so" right back at the dude, because that level of self-righteousness should be appropriately reflected, mirror-like, right back at the dude. Good taste is neither black and white nor universally agreed upon, but if you really think that what folks have been expressing here is really offensive or really in poor taste, I don't know what to tell you, since we simply disagree. We could go into the intricacies of the disagreement, but this is not the format or place for such a thing, nor do I honestly think we'd get all that far.
Except that nobody said what you're asserting they said. Wording, tone, and intention matter in discourse, and no one said it was awesome that someday died. Quote me the poster's words, rather than just stating your interpretation and attributing it to them.
Felix Lighter
Member
I'm very curious what the Big Live Live Show Live will be like this time around. Hopefully, it pushes some things forward. Considering it's main purpose is to push memberships it'll be easier for them to get some things through whatever red tape has been slowing them down.
Hopefully something big like that will allow them to start throwing around the weight of CBSi.
Right now it seems like they are suffering from all the bullshit inherent to working in a huge company, but with none of the benefits.
It's obvious, and that's why the first five responses were what they were.
Awesome = excellent
Patrick's absence = without Patrick
since = because of
his dad died = unfortunate circumstances
ThusZarathustra
Member
Nah, son.
Your interpretation is lacking in nuance and so is rather off. Considerably, so. With a healthy dollop of personal projection as well. It's missing the crucial things I mentioned about tone and intention and word choice.
Your interpretation has an entirely different tone than the original and uses wording that is both clearly disrespectful and glib. This means it carries a significantly different meaning to it than:
which uses word choices in a far different fashion and carries an almost apologetic, knowing, tone rather than the glib and disrespectful one you interpreted. For more information about reading comprehension, ask your local teacher or professor.
Anyway, this "debate" isn't so much about word choice, as it is about people's ideas of good taste. Some folks don't think any personal tragedy should be expressed as having a positive effect (however small; I mean, it is a podcast, after all) on other people. Which I understand to a degree, but can't condone as the moral standard to which all should be held.
Because Endurance Run memes have been run so far into the fucking ground they are just annoying now and a fighting game TNT where you see the same characters over and over again is just as boring as the FPS TNT everyone hates. And no, I'd say TNTs are more about the GB crew having fun playing games rather than the community because they are always way better when that happens (like with Fortune Street, Dead Island and even Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts (which, yeah, was an online multiplayer game but it was mainly about Brad having a blast).
If they really wanted to do a P4A TNT then they would have done it because, like you said, they would have more than enough people and the release date timing is perfect for a TNT. So since they are not doing a P4A TNT then for some reason or another they just don't want to do it, and I would rather them take a look at a game that Ryan at least is interested in instead of P4A just because there is some sort of weird mandate that Giant Bomb always does Persona stuff whenever possible just because they did a let's play of a game 3 years ago.
From all indications, the dingyness of that place was all on GB. They wanted a cool place near the convention for people to come hang out and have a drink, and they ended up with the serial killer storefront.
I also believe that they only started looking late. Keep in mind, they were in limbo for a while there, because the sale was in the process for a few months prior. So they knew Whiskey was going to be gone, so they had no idea what sort of budget they'd have.
It's DTLA.
They needed a venue that had room for 6+ guests on camera and several more off camera.
Plus it needed to be somewhere that they could record loud and raucous conversations that went well past midnight.
Plus it had to accommodate the lights, cameras, recording gear, and have a decent broadband connection.
And it had to be a convenient distance from the convention center and hotels so the people they invited would show up.
If you know downtown LA then you know that you've pretty much locked yourself into something very expensive or something very divey with those requirements. Either renting a macked out recording studio with a large lounge area or a murder store that looks like an unused set from the film Se7en.
Neuromancer
Member
Do they even really need memberships at this point? They're under the GS umbrella now. Personally I can't really justify subscribing again this year especially after they nerfed my favorite feature (the old I Love Mondays.)
I Love Mondays was your favorite feature?
Well what I came in here to actually post was that unless they pull out some amazing content and concrete plans ASAP before the next Big Live Show there's no way I'm renewing. Their premium content has gone to crap since they got bought. I agree with the sentiment that they're just hitting red tape, but looking through their subscriber content there has been virtually nothing I have cared about since the buyout. I have to admit that it looks like I was wrong about it maybe being a good thing for them when they got bought; I'm sure they're doing fine, but I feel like they're just really not what they were beforehand. A lot of the wacky stuff they were doing before that I feel helped define the site has just been completely MIA since then.
What I'm going to wind up posting: this thread is a fucking cesspool on both sides, and the "white knights" are making themselves look the worst. Goddamn, any sort of devoted community-type thread (this thread, Halo-GAF, etc) just goes to circle-jerk talk about nothing and be super defensive about everything crap after a while. Can't even stand to look in this thread and I love GB (same for Halo, etc). I think almost everyone in here needs to step back, and imagine that they they were saying their posts in person to the GB guys. There's probably a damn good reason they don't pop in here very often.
What I'm going to wind up posting: this thread is a fucking cesspool on both sides, and the "white knights" are making themselves look the worst. Goddamn, any sort of devoted community-type thread (this thread, Halo-GAF, etc) just goes to circle-jerk talk about nothing and be super defensive about everything crap after a while. Can't even stand to look in this thread and I love GB (same for Halo, etc). I think almost everyone in here needs to step back, and imagine that they they were saying their posts in person to the GB guys. There's probably a damn good reason they don't pop in here very often.
I like patrick, i like him on the podcasts. I have liked the recent subscriber content.
The world is not falling. People need to stop taking everything so seriously. I understand not feeling like it was worth your money, i disagree, but to each their own.
It's just a website, about video games. It's not that serious.
And the FMV QL today was hilarious.
The world is not falling. People need to stop taking everything so seriously. I understand not feeling like it was worth your money, i disagree, but to each their own.
It's just a website, about video games. It's not that serious.
And the FMV QL today was hilarious.
Neuromancer
Member
Well video feature yeah.
That's like saying your favourite meal at a restaurant is the menu...
ThusZarathustra
Member
Jeff's Choppy-Ass Livestream said:
So they'll probably do it at some point, it's just a little early this week, that's all.
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