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Dota 2 Beta Thread 2: Real Talk Discouraged [Magnus, Teams, 6.75b, 150+ Shop Items]
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It's not plagiarism, it's a Homage :|
From what I can tell, the match-making attempts to form as similar teams as possible. So, if you are queuing with a friend, it will try to find an opponent also queuing with a friend and attempt to keep them on a similar level as you.
So if you have a really weird party mix (say, one person over 100 wins, someone with 50 and some just beginning) it can take longer than if you were just queuing with people of your same level. And, of course, if it can't find the perfect mix, the system seems to shoot for the next best thing (which I think is where you get steamrolls in the early levels since one additional competent person on a team of mostly beginners can really turn things around).
I used to care when I started and games felt more one sided. Mostly I check now to try and gauge how the matchmaking actually works.
ratio is more important than win total right? like someone with 500 wins 1000 losses isn't going to be as good as someone with 200 wins 200 losses. Because you can't see someones wins and losses there's no point judging someone by their total.
even then w/l ratio isn't so much a measure of player skill as it is team skill
edit: this sounded a lot smarter in my head, reading it back i sound stupid. Lol.
even then w/l ratio isn't so much a measure of player skill as it is team skill
edit: this sounded a lot smarter in my head, reading it back i sound stupid. Lol.
Wins only really matter when you assume that everyone starts out with the same level of experience. But given all the newbie to veteran players from DotA, HoN and LoL, right at the start there is already a massive skill discrepancy.
I wish sometimes people would be more exact in their criticism.
Last night I played as PL. All I got all game was "PL you suck" and "learn 2 play PL", etc.
I went 4/7/7 and we won. I helped push all the towers with my boots of travel, didn't feed, and had only 2 preventable deaths. (1 at beginning when I was low on health and wasnt expecting a tower dive, and the 2nd when we pushed too hard at the end and got trapped by their ancient right before we won.)
I didn't have the most deaths (that was Tiny); I am not saying I am not a noob either. I just want to know why I sucked. PL seems so fragile in early game, and can only gain momentum in mid game when he starts to get his copys spawn rate up. How should his early game go playing against double ranged in a lane? How does any fragile melee play in the situation? How should he be pushing?
Last night I played as PL. All I got all game was "PL you suck" and "learn 2 play PL", etc.
I went 4/7/7 and we won. I helped push all the towers with my boots of travel, didn't feed, and had only 2 preventable deaths. (1 at beginning when I was low on health and wasnt expecting a tower dive, and the 2nd when we pushed too hard at the end and got trapped by their ancient right before we won.)
I didn't have the most deaths (that was Tiny); I am not saying I am not a noob either. I just want to know why I sucked. PL seems so fragile in early game, and can only gain momentum in mid game when he starts to get his copys spawn rate up. How should his early game go playing against double ranged in a lane? How does any fragile melee play in the situation? How should he be pushing?
I used it for a general gauge of someone's experience with the game. If you assume a 1:1 win/loss ratio which Valve has mentioned is pretty close for the majority of cases, you get an alright idea of how many match made games a person has played.
Obviously, this doesn't say much since someone could have played lots of Dota 1 or HoN or spend all their time in private lobbies but there's really nothing else you can use to gauge an individual's experience with the game.
It's usually fair to say that someone who has 1 won game is going to have less experience than someone who has 100 won games.
play it safe until you get diffusal blade and the second level of your ulti. after that point run around ganking people if you can, and also do the push thing when the time is right too, I guess. Early game though you should play incredibly safe, you're right that he is weak, outside of his first move you can't really do much to get people off you or dish out damage, so it's best to hang back and swoop in for hits when you can
v also what the guy below me says- i kind of presume everyone that plays PL does this anyway
The best way to play PL is to aggressively level Q and stats, and just use it at every opportunity. It does loads of damage, especially since they're going to take one or two hits from an illusion. With an aggressive lanemate you can get loads of kills early, and snowball very effectively. Don't take your ultimate till level 10(unless you need the magic resistance) and don't take your E till about level 8 or 9, you need those stats, the illusions are pretty worthless earlygame.
Schweinehund
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Don't fret too much over brackets, a lot of people in the higher brackets have played dota 1 for years.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
After 70 games I finally did something that was pretty cool in DOTA2 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohxu9OcXZTY&feature=youtu.be
Rubrick's so fun to play as.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohxu9OcXZTY&feature=youtu.be
Rubrick's so fun to play as.
Train of Midnight
Banned
lmao. Nice.
Does anyone know how/if you can zoom the camera out more? There's gotta be a config setting you can tweak to do so.
The amount of buzzwords in the games description is absolutely staggering.
Schweinehund
Member
"This game has great graphics! Gameplay is original, and I've been playing for hours. Highly recommend, and I'm a girl."
Bought.
Complex Shadow
Cudi Lame
i asked that, and someone said you can't because it makes things uncompetitive or less competitive. which makes sense.
GalacticGravy
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As a life-long DOTA hater, I signed up for a beta just to see if I can change my mind. It happened. Kind of. I think all of my hate came from being annoyed as a WC3 player. 90% of everything I saw was DOTA, and when I tried to join a game I would immediately get kicked. "How the fuck can I learn the game if I can't play?" I thought. I'm beginning to understand it more. The DOTA2 community seems a lot more understanding and nicer. I'm enjoying my time with the Venomancer, actually. I think it's fun and even though I've only killed like 4 enemies ever, every time I do I feel like a million bucks.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
The Dota2 community can still suck ass. Just gotta not let it get to you and don't take it personally. Everyone sucked at one point and no one likes to remember it.
Take advantage of bots. Play some games with just bots until you feel like you can consistently hold your own, then jump into matchmaking. It will help you a ton in the long run.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Damn, they made the Dota2 ladies a bit saucier.
The Technomancer
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Oh godamn it. Decide to try to random a hero on a lark. Get Invoker. What the fuck
I had the worst game as Axe last night, Holy shit it was bad. I must not play dota 2 on a week night ever again.
I was up against a riki and dark seer combo in lane. I actually had no idea you could iron shell an invisible unit, I was randomly taking a ton of damage wondering what the fuck was going on. Then it dawned on me.
It seems like you also don't do any counters while an enemy is invisible and causing damage?
Their lineup was great compared to ours as well. DS, Disrupt, riki, jaik and spirit. We had half assed melee heroes / carries, No stuns or anything. It was somehow still a close game but in every team fight we got smashed.
Ahh this game.
I was up against a riki and dark seer combo in lane. I actually had no idea you could iron shell an invisible unit, I was randomly taking a ton of damage wondering what the fuck was going on. Then it dawned on me.
It seems like you also don't do any counters while an enemy is invisible and causing damage?
Their lineup was great compared to ours as well. DS, Disrupt, riki, jaik and spirit. We had half assed melee heroes / carries, No stuns or anything. It was somehow still a close game but in every team fight we got smashed.
Ahh this game.
yeah ive got like 53 on IYB and im pretty easily the best player on this site.
Schweinehund
Member
wtb Death Mask Darksiders 2 tie in for Chaos Knight
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Well that could have gone a lot worse. Ended up going 3/6/19 but once I decided to play him as a hard support I started getting the hang of things and we ended up winning. Just kept initiating with Tornado, hitting their Lycan with Coldsnap and Ghost Walking away if I needed to.
JakkuFurosu
Member
just had my first decent game.
The game 1000x better when you can actually start to recognize threats from the door and work as a team to start shutting them down before the game even starts.I scored the best, it was trash tier pub but thats where i belong for now, but my grin is still here none-the-less
The game 1000x better when you can actually start to recognize threats from the door and work as a team to start shutting them down before the game even starts.I scored the best, it was trash tier pub but thats where i belong for now, but my grin is still here none-the-less
Yeah, he is definitely still powerful even if you don't use all of the spells. That said, an invoker that knows how to use all of his spells is a nuisance to play against once he starts getting levels.
The Dark Seer's ion shell that was being casted on riki is magic damage so therefore you don't have a chance to spin2win.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Played a few games with 1.09 and a few others tonight and while they were fun-ish man, playing against people at higher skill levels then me is just disheartening. Even when I'm trying to play support I can tell that I'm not really supporting very well.
CarbonatedFalcon
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Yep. :/
I had pretty much the worst Windrunner game of my life yesterday. (Though a decent Spirit Breaker game after that.)
Complex Shadow
Cudi Lame
well i found a glitch. i basically un-melded and attacked riki just as he went invsi. and some how i was re-melded and able to walk around. but as soon as i attacked again it went back to normal. dunnno who i should show this too.
Schweinehund
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I still feel like a noob, even after 100 wins. It was very satisfying today to play hard carry Shadow Fiend with a balanced team (instead of the usual 4 carries! with me on support), and dominate mid lane and keep racking up the kills right to the end.
The matchmaking seems to have improved for me, I am getting less people rage quitting early, and the speed of the games are getting faster. I would say half of my recent games have been over in less than 45 minutes, whereas when I started out the games tended to drag, because everyone was too scared to push.
The matchmaking seems to have improved for me, I am getting less people rage quitting early, and the speed of the games are getting faster. I would say half of my recent games have been over in less than 45 minutes, whereas when I started out the games tended to drag, because everyone was too scared to push.
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