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[buhdeh]

It's funny, in my family I have 2 iPhones, an iPad, a 2008 MacBook Pro and a 2009 MacPro, and I've been on Samsung's side the whole time.

Apple have been complete dicks in all of this, and this was nothing more than Apple wanting to fuck up a genuine competitor. Not on.

So does this mean Samsung will go mostly Windows Phone 8 now?

You're not alone. I have an iPhone 2G, iPhone 4S, and iPad 3 and was hoping Apple wouldn't win this. I like their products but I know for sure I'm not going to just stick with and keep buying Apple products for the next 15 years.

 

[Blastoise]

Hundreds of people spamming, hard to follow, I got the feeling people were unhappy with the verdict.

Vocal minority.

 

[Mindlog]

So it's "come up with a better alternative to pinch & zoom, or be damned", right? Seems like the real culprit here is the buggered up patents laws.

Broom zoom.
All fingers doing everything.

Copyright Patent Pending™

 

[EightBitNate]

Hundreds of people spamming, hard to follow, I got the feeling people were unhappy with the verdict.

The comments on TheVerge website seemed tame. Wonder where everyone came from.

 

[golem]

Verge making a good point. Will likely push Samsung and the rest more towards Windows Phone 8 due to Apple's partnership with Microsoft to allow the Microsoft OS to use their patents.

I agree with Nilay, its time for Google to settle and pay up. Indemnify their OEMs.

 

[Tabris]

Apple don't have to and have said they won't license it.

Oh well then that's just shitty. I was fine with this patent situation because I just assumed the other companies didn't want to pony up for someone else's invention, but that is ridiculous and anti-competitive.

Can you link me to a source on this before I change my opinion?

 

[dream]

Am I nuts or did Google intentionally leave pinch to zoom out of earlier versions of Android just so they wouldn't infringe on Apple's patent?

 

[Zeth]

The comments on TheVerge website seemed tame. Wonder where everyone came from.

There was a lot of "9gag" which I'm assuming is reddit or 4chan, given 9gag users aren't bright enough to organize themselves.

 

[Rebel Leader]

The law blogs I'm following are questioning the ability of the jury to pull a verdict on 700 decisions out of the air in two days

I have to agree.

 

[Scum]

I'm personally happy that Samsung's counterclaim was slapped down hard. Using standards essential patents as leverage was far worse than claiming ownership of something Apple did actually develop and patent "properly".

If there's anything else to be happy about it'll hopefully start to drive big companies in the Valley to push patent reform within Congress.

Here's hoping, 'cos the patent trolling needs to stop.

 

[LCfiner]

Am I nuts or did Google intentionally leave pinch to zoom out of earlier versions of Android just so they wouldn't infringe on Apple's patent?

you're not nuts.

 

[Jayayess1190]

The comments on TheVerge website seemed tame. Wonder where everyone came from.

Supposedly Reddit.

 

[Tabris]

I agree with Nilay, its time for Google to settle and pay up. Indemnify their OEMs.

I think it's the other way around, time for OEMs to start paying up to Android so they can pay up. Google can't afford to pay for all of these patents as they are just making money off adsense and purchased apps/content (the second not being that much on Android, the first being huge) through Android.

 

[phosphor112]

Samsung is worth $180+Billion.

Yeah, but it's still bad for american consumers.

 

[EvilDick34]

Apple needs to have an anti-trust suit brought against them. They need to be broken up into a million little pieces.

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

Why didnt Samsung just pay for the patent use?

Don't understand why people are saying "if the notification patent goes through, Apple are in trouble"' you can't counter sue for patents if the patents haven't been granted

 

[KHarvey16]

Apple needs to have an anti-trust suit brought against them. They need to be broken up into a million little pieces.

Do you even know what those words mean?

 

[Maxrunner]

Let the American get Apple products only. Europe still welcomes you Samsung.

 

[DSN2K]

Sad day for consumers...honestly feel anyone cheering this is foolish and not seeing the bigger picture at large.

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

I knew samsung was not beating apple in a american courtroom. So this means apple can basically get rid of about 95% of smartphone competition and claim the market for themselves right? No one would buy a smartphone without gestures like pinch to zoom.

 

[gcubed]

Do you even know what those words mean?

i'd say no

 

[SimleuqiR]

I'm ok with this outcome if it means the next nexus phone is from someone other than Samsung.

 

[LCfiner]

Apple needs to have an anti-trust suit brought against them. They need to be broken up into a million little pieces.

anti-trust? for what? they have no monopoly on anything. why do they need to be broken up?

what's your reasoning or are you just mad and lashing out?

 

[Maxrunner]

Why didnt Samsung just pay for the patent use?

Don't understand why people are saying "if the notification patent goes through, Apple are in trouble"' you can't counter sue for patents if the patents haven't been granted

Oh really so Google wont get yhe patent because Apple just put them on the latest ios? Npt following...

 

[EvilDick34]

Shocking, apple loyalists don't see the monopoly and Apple using their position to bully others and stifle competition.

 

[el retorno]

Apple needs to have an anti-trust suit brought against them. They need to be broken up into a million little pieces.

I'm going to ignore your tag but this is a stupid comment.

They are in no way a monopoly, and I don't really like the company nor own anything of theirs save for a 7 year old ipod.

 

[Sir Abacus]

Oh well then that's just shitty. I was fine with this patent situation because I just assumed the other companies didn't want to pony up for someone else's invention, but that is ridiculous and anti-competitive.

Can you link me to a source on this before I change my opinion?

I'm incorrect. They did eventually soften up on it and offered them a license in November 2010. I suspect it was ridiculously high or something similar as a middle finger to Android vendors as well. At the time the feature debuted Steve was enraged and wasn't going to give them shit. Here's from the deposition:

During Forstall’s deposition on Tuesday, the Apple SVP told a jury that Steve Jobs expressly and unambiguously stated, “Here’s something we invented. Don’t — don’t copy it. Don’t steal it.”

Forstall explained that the rubber banding effect (381′ patent) was something Jobs cared deeply about. The rubber banding effect, otherwise referred to as inertial scrolling, occurs when a user scrolls “past” the end of a document or Web page.

“I actually think that Android had not done rubber banding at some point and it was actually added later,” Forstall said. “So [Android] actually went from sort of, you know, not yet copying and infringing to — to choosing to copy, which is sad and distasteful…”

 

[Cheebo]

Apple needs to have an anti-trust suit brought against them. They need to be broken up into a million little pieces.

Tell me what industry they have a monopoly over.

 

[KHarvey16]

Shocking, apple loyalists don't see the monopoly and the using their position to bully others and stifle competition.

Stick to sending PMs maybe.

 

[MThanded]

Adobe gives no fucks about flash.

truth

Apple needs to have an anti-trust suit brought against them. They need to be broken up into a million little pieces.

Shocking, apple loyalists don't see the monopoly and Apple using their position to bully others and stifle competition.

Still at it.

 

[Rebel Leader]

Tell me what industry they have a monopoly over.

None, right now

=3

 

[Maxrunner]

Tell me what industry they have a monopoly over.

In the US seems they will...

 

[NomarTyme]

EvilDick34
Please, don't feed the troll.

 

[Sir Abacus]

Why didnt Samsung just pay for the patent use?

The same reason Apple didn't settle with Motorola, one side probably wanted an absolutely ridiculous amount of money.

 

[Tabris]

I'm incorrect. They did eventually soften up on it and offered them a license in November 2010. At the time Steve was enraged and wasn't going to give them shit. Here's from the deposition:

Yep. There you go, back to my original opinion. You gotta pay for someone else's R&D.

As long as they offer the technology/patent to be licensed, then this is ethical from a business standpoint.

 

[Emily Chu]

so does that mean no carrier can even carry android phone now or what ?

what about existing android phones will they be removed from the list from all US carriers ?

what the fuck is going on ?



I'll die before I use an iphone...

 

[LiK]

“@AP: Apple is demanding that Samsung pull its most popular cellphones and computer tablets from the U.S. market: http://t.co/Yr0H1jAR -MS” 

 

[MThanded]

In the US seems they will...

Where and how? Explain. Apple is going to have a phone monopoly? Since when. Today?

 

[Maxrunner]

Stick to sending PMs maybe.

Whats wrong with the comment?

 

[fritolay]

Apple needs to have an anti-trust suit brought against them. They need to be broken up into a million little pieces.

This comment would have been laughable 10 years ago.

 

[Zombie James]

Tell me what industry they have a monopoly over.

Anti-trust doesn't apply to just monopolies, it's "anti-competitive behaviour."

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

I knew there would be meltdowns over this verdict, but some of the reactions I'm seeing are simply ridiculous.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

pinch to zoom wont be gone, there is no way it cant be invalidated if Apple tries to go after someone else

Can you (or snyone else) expand on this please?

 

[Scum]

so does that mean no carrier can even carry android phone now or what ?

what about existing android phones will they be removed from the list from all US carriers ?

what the fuck is going on ?



I'll die before I use an iphone...

Well, Apple might just get Samsung phones banned in the US, as a start...

 

[Maxrunner]

Where and how? Explain.

With samsung out it will be easy.

 

[KHarvey16]

Whats wrong with the comment?

Reading your recent posts I might argue the fact you found nothing wrong with it is exactly what's wrong with it.

 

[MThanded]

With samsung out it will be easy.

Samsung is not out. They will keep selling android handsets.

 

[EvilDick34]

Anti-trust doesn't apply to just monopolies, it's "anti-competitive behaviour."

Thank you zombie, i already pointed that out but they just want to shit on anything that isn't pro-apple.

 

[Tabris]

so does that mean no carrier can even carry android phone now or what ?

what about existing android phones will they be removed from the list from all US carriers ?

what the fuck is going on ?



I'll die before I use an iphone...

There is a lot of confusion here. IT MEANS THEY JUST HAVE TO PAY TO USE SOMEONE ELSE'S TECHNOLOGY/PATENT.

You've had this for a long time in electronic devices like TVs, dvds, blu rays... Microsoft and Apple share enough patents between each other that they just made an agreement... the free ride for Android OEMs is over.

EDIT - Since a new page. The sum of it is you have to pay for someone else's R&D. Nothing's free.

 

[sniffles]

I'm ok with this outcome if it means the next nexus phone is from someone other than Samsung.

This. I have a samsung tv I love. I had a Samsung phone I loathed.