I kinda hope the game will be about saving Lightning
from the crystal
Final Fantasy 13 - A Storm Gathers
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I kinda hope the game will be about saving Lightning
HamPster PamPster
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I still remember that first image of Lightning sitting on the floating couch from the beginning of this generation. Looking at that image I was so full of hope and promise and excitement....
If only I knew how it would all turn out
If only I knew how it would all turn out
Father_Brain
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You're confusing two different projects. There's a UE3-based project with a horror vibe (based on the concept art), for which no platforms have been announced. There's also a Unity-based ARPG, which is confirmed for PS3 and Vita based on SE job postings from last year.
FFXIII-3 could actually be the latter, I suppose, though that wouldn't quite fit with comments about the game only having recently started development.
Just read all those spoilers on the Lightning DLC, I guess that was money well saved by forgetting about it. This whole thing bums me out, if they would have just moved on after XIII it would have just been one of the average entries in the series. The way they are dragging this out like it is the best shit they have made is unreal. I really hope that next generation they stick to making numbered entries and the games are all different from each other.
I really, really doubt FFXIII-3 is being developed on the Unity engine... that would make no sense at all.
King of the Potato People
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I disagree, XIII-2 was a lot different and more experimental than the first one and I believe it would be more distasteful of SE to leave this sub-series and not give its fans (they do exist) a proper ending. Besides XIII-2 was a cheap game and a new one shouldn't significantly affect production of a next gen FF, especially if XIII-3 is partly outsourced again.
XIII had a proper ending. XIII-2 basically retconned that ending and ventured into greater levels of deus ex machina by the end...
complete with a bullshit cliffhanger ending.
So yeah, I agree that XIII should have ended at just... XIII. Spinning off something like FFX was successful because the game was well-loved, and still is - even if X-2 was met with mixed reactions. Same with the Compilation of FFVII, sans Dirge of Cerberus... which even then managed to do decently.
XIII, on the other hand, is not well-loved and should have been left the way it was. Spinning off such a thing into two more sequels probably wasn't the best decision to appeal to such a small portion of the fanbase that ended up returning for it. Sure it's a cheap and easy way to make money back but it's doing nothing but turn off fans who didn't care for the world/characters to begin with.
I'll be interested to see how many return for the third outing.
I suspect that this game will sell like gangbusters once it hits the $19.99 discount price. We have to see how this whole mess turns out... just not at the retail price.
Father_Brain
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Well, it wouldn't be called FFXIII-3 if it were. Probably FFXIII with a subtitle.
badcrumble
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I just hope that their next game doesn't follow the very obvious edict from on high to add monster collection and monster party members to FFXIII-2 and KH
DD.
DD.It's not really a retconn though. Barthandelus' main plan all along was to
kill as many people as possible by crashing Cocoon into Pulse, so the flood of souls would open the door to Valhalla. He didn't succeed
a bit of a crack opened up that distorted time
Also, Yeul had a bunch of prophecies in XIII already. So they were already tinkering with the idea of the farseers on some level.
As far as XIII-2's ending, I think it's the best in the whole series personally. I've never been that invested in a FF ending, ever. Most are just foregone conclusions and predictable happy endings. The best thing XIII-2 did was fully make me care about Serah as a character. That not only made XIII-2 fun, but retroactively makes the story in XIII more interesting for me, which is a great compliment for a sequel.
And as far as XIII-3, there's still a ton left in the story for them to wrap up based on the ending of XIII-2. And I didn't really see how XIII-2 was a deus ex machina considering that
they lost against Caius, the two main characters basically died, and the world is doomed
King of the Potato People
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You mean the ones who come into these threads complaining about a sequel being made that they're not going to buy whether it's good or not? Yes they're better off waiting until XV, I'd appreciate XIII-3 to tie up loose ends though and it'd probably make a bit of profit like XIII-2.
You can no longer say I'm a new final fantasy fan. I've been a fan ever since VII. When I purchased XIII when it was launched I was severely disappointed. I didn't go beyond chapter one.
After this new announcement I gave XIII another try. I'm now in chapter 9, enjoying the story line and game. XIII 2, is apparently now $ 19.99 brand new and I plan to continue to play this series.
This New announcement is now very interesting. Who even says its a game? Could it be a movie?
After this new announcement I gave XIII another try. I'm now in chapter 9, enjoying the story line and game. XIII 2, is apparently now $ 19.99 brand new and I plan to continue to play this series.
This New announcement is now very interesting. Who even says its a game? Could it be a movie?
Now that is has gotten to this point, I agree they have a duty to wrap up the story.
However, I think XIII was perfectly fine as a self contained story. And given how XIII was received, if they had to do a sequel to make a quick buck, the sequel should have wrapped it up. A trilogy based on XIII screams of prioritizing the short term over the long term to me.
There are a lot of FF fans who aren't XIII fans, and they have had to go through half a decade of XIII sequels and nothing else in the console space. To me, Square needs to give that fanbase something to get excited for too, or else they risk losing them.
I just hope that their next game doesn't follow the very obvious edict from on high to add monster collection and monster party members to FFXIII-2 and KH
Agreed. No interest in monster collection in either of those games. Hope it's not a trend.
Actually, I'd say what FFXIII-2 did was actually explain the ridiculous deus ex machina of the original's ending. It was better than the implied 'if you wish really hard, everything's gonna be ok'
I enjoyed FFXIII-2 and FFXIII but the one thing I have to disagree with you is Serah. She was just so bland and underdeveloped in FFXIII-2 that it was ridiculous. When the ending came I
wasn't sad that she died, I actually was ok with it, but I was sad for Noel seeing her die
No.
I put a good chunk of time into FFXIII and FFXIII-2 (got all the trophies in both) and I am not a hater by any means. I just wish SE would have left things as they were after FFXIII and moved on. Even the ending of FFXIII-2 could have been fine (for what it was) if it ended like 5 minutes earlier. FF has been my favorite series since I was a wee lad and this generation of games is starting to wear thin for me. I can't imagine this sequelizing is doing the series any favors with less devoted fans.
I really think its ok. I still love this series, mainly because I love XIII, but even for those who don't like it... I believe when we move to XV (next gen) Square will put out an awesome trailer with all new characters, etc, as always, and everyone will be back as being fans. The way they promote a game is everything really. People will still mention "eh, but never forget XIII and its corridors" blah blah blah but will be hyped.
idlethreats
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Was X that well loved at the time? Honestly asking. I thought there was a lot of hate directed at it because of the voice acting and because fans didn't care for Tidus, but I've never really been involved with the fandom so maybe my perception was wrong. I was under the impression that fans generally balked at VIII, X and XII when they first came out, for various reasons, and then eventually came around.
Meccanical
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Absolutely.
I always like to joke and say that Dissidia established the Warrior and Chaos as the most powerful guys in FF, since Chaos single-handedly
kills everybody in FF in the 000 dream-world
a living Crystal, and a clone of God
Don't forget destroying every world she longed to protect. And also the sister she spent a forty hour game trying to save. XIII-2's ending was ALL ABOUT ruining that stuff.
Well, Toriyama did say he wanted to make a game where Lightning would be happy but he changed his mind after the 2011 tsunami. He shifted the focus to the game being about there always being hope even in the midst of despair.
Meccanical
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GayForMaster
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Or Final Fantasy XIII: Revelations
I think it's regarded as the second best FF of all time, at least in Japan, after FF VII. Yuna herself is the most popular FF character after Cloud in Japan.
Here strange traveler, take this random transforming Moogle to my sister so that she can save the time because I can see everything from here in Valhalla and hers is the help I need, not one of my other three companions from the first game that managed to kill off the strongest fal'cie on Cocoon wiht me!...whoops, forgot she's a
seeress and by doing what I asked her to do she'll die. Shit, might as well become a crystal now...because it makes sense somehow
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
In the DLC you see that her
turning into crystal is her way of keeping Serah's memory alive even though basically everything is hopeless, and the world is doomed. The extra cutscene at the very end of the DLC shows that there may be a 2nd part to her plan, but that's the 3rd game so we don't know yet.
So, it kind of fits with that idea of Toriyama's pretty well if that's what he set out to convey.
I actually didn't mind that too much. The whole point of the game is that you cannot change the timeline no matter how many times you say that you can. Also the game flat-out told you what
killing Caius meant and it also told you what would happen if Etro died
My problem lies with Lightning asking Noel to go to Serah and try to save the timeline. Not Snow, Sazh or Hope all three of which have gone through some tough shit in the original game and know how to handle themselves. Now presumably the logic was because Serah was a
seeress, which by the way came out of nowhere, because Serah sure as hell doesn't come from the Padra people
she'll die
One thing I liked about the ending was the whole Caius says a bad thing is going to happen, Noel and Serah are like 'nah, you're just playing' and then
the bad thing actually happens
I still don't get the
'oh Serah's dead, well might as well turn into crystal of my own free will because that's totally possible, give up against Caius and the world I was sworn to protect because somehow when I'm crystal Serah will be remembered' line of thinking
Synless
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My question is that if Noel killed Caius, he was supposed to inherit his immortality, which one of the endings shows. Why then in the main ending does this not happen?
It might happen, the ending pretty much cuts away from Noel when shit gets real. We don't know what happens to him after all that goes down.
badcrumble
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He stabs him directly in the Heart of Etro, thus ending the immortality business and also killing Etro.
She chose Noel because she, as the Valhalla defender, saw that he was the last person alive in the future and would have the will to do anything to save humanity, for not being alone, etc. So she thought he would be the best person to save Serah, as the stronger and most enthusiastic about it, because he had a real and decisive reason to do so and wouldn't let it go for anything because of that and his attachment to humans (I mean as someone alone in the world for who knows how long). Maybe she even knew of his relation with Caius and Yuel/other seeress? idk That's how I saw it at least.
And about the ending... maybe turning into a crystal had another purpose only Lightning know yet, and we are about to know about it in XIII-3?
And about the ending... maybe turning into a crystal had another purpose only Lightning know yet, and we are about to know about it in XIII-3?
Yeah Caius warns Noel about someone who might kill the heart of etro that beats inside him which would cause the death of the Goddess.
She chose Noel because she, as the Valhalla defender, saw that he was the last person alive in the future and would have the will to do anything to save humanity, for not being alone, etc. So she thought he would be the best person to save Serah, as the stronger and most enthusiastic about it, because he had a real and decisive reason to do so and wouldn't let it go for anything because of that and his attachment to humans (I mean as someone alone in the world for who knows how long). Maybe she even knew of his relation with Caius and Yuel/other seeress? idk That's how I saw it at least.
And about the ending... maybe turning into a crystal had another purpose only Lightning know yet, and we are about to know about it in XIII-3?
I didn't mean why she chose Noel, but rather why she chose Serah? Chances are Serah would have been alive if she didn't do the time traveling business. And also, how the hell did she become a seeress?
Re the ending, I'd be disappointed if it was a part of a larger plan as that would be retconning the ending again, as Lightning herself says that the only reason why she's gonna be crystal is to preserve Serah's memory.
Re the ending, I'd be disappointed if it was a part of a larger plan as that would be retconning the ending again, as Lightning herself says that the only reason why she's gonna be crystal is to preserve Serah's memory.
badcrumble
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FFXIII-2 clearly set things up for an FFXIII sequel by
transporting the entire FFXIII cast into year 500. Fang and Vanille are still frozen in crystal but still exist in that year; Hope defrosted himself in that year; Sazh and Snow are also time-travelers; and Lightning is frozen outside of time and can thus show up in the year 500 easily enough once she de-crystallizes herself. Noel's there too. Things are pretty easily set up for Noel, Hope, Sazh, and Snow to embark on a dumb quest to de-crystallize Fang, Vanille, and Lightning in order to save the day, somehow.
Synless
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Yeah, but thats the only way he can die anyway. How can Noel kill Caius like he wanted if the only way he could do it was stabbing him in the heart? It's a story flaw.
Tathanen
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But tell me this, guys, since I just recently beat XIII-2.
Oh wait "ha ha" the last few posts were about exactly this. But yes, sure, I still don't get why it happened the way it did, ala Synless's post.
Why didn't Noel just take on the heart of Etro? That was the whole point wasn't it, guardian kills guardian, continues to hold the heart. Why did it just "die" at the end, instead of going to Noel? Hell, when Noel kills Caius in his Paradox Ending, exactly that happens: he gets Etro's heart, becomes the new guardian. So what was different in the proper ending?
Oh wait "ha ha" the last few posts were about exactly this. But yes, sure, I still don't get why it happened the way it did, ala Synless's post.
badcrumble
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I'm not going to make any claims that Toriyama's a good writer.
Zoe
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It's more of a curse that takes a strong will to be broken. His will wasn't strong enough in the paradox ending, but it was by the end of the game.
Synless
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That's not how it is explained to work though, that's an assumption. Caius tells him the only way to be the next guardian is to kill him. In a paradox, he does it and becomes immortal and the chaos doesn't spread, the goddess doesn't die. In the main ending for some untold reason, the goddess dies, Caius dies, Noel is still mortal (despite what is supposed to happen) an the chaos destroys everything. It's the one thing in the story that drove me nuts as a huge flaw.
Yeah, thats rather confusing, really.
badcrumble
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Does he stab the Heart of Etro in the paradox ending?
saveweyard
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This is what I was wondering. If he doesn't stab the heart or completely destroy it, then he can still kill Caius and gain immortality. If he does stab it, then the goddess dies and chaos is unleashed.
I guess if you want to get technical, there's more than one way to kill someone without stabbing the heart?
Meccanical
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Isn't stabbing the heart the only way he can die though?
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