BattleMonkey
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When you overly simplify a persons hobby into something for the purpose of putting it down, it usually pisses people off. Who would have thought.
What is it that people enjoy about MMA/Cage fighting
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When you overly simplify a persons hobby into something for the purpose of putting it down, it usually pisses people off. Who would have thought.
yeah looks like it got dislocated.
GungHo
Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
Unless you are this man
Then you have Joe Son Do and that is all you need.
Joe Son needs a hell of a lot more than a ground game at this point.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Well it does look like he won a fight in 2011, so his new strategy might be working.
FindMyFarms
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Wow, after reading all the ignorant statements about MMA in this thread, I am completely surprised by the number of idiots on GAF. Or maybe I'M the idiot for being surprised. Fuck.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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And homophobes.
Johnlenham
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Because its not hugging? if you dont have an intrest in say Brazillian Jujitsu then grapling is going to look dull to you but to then put it on the same level of joke sports like WWE is an insult.
Whats it take like 15 years+ to become a black belt in that?
Im not a fan by any stretch but I can aprechiate the madness of peole like anderson silva (sp?) as my friend is an AM mma fighter and we watch it at his place sometimes.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
I'll be honest, after I started doing BJJ, I kinda lost my interests in the KO's.
I mean I like KO's, but I tend to pay more attention to talented grapplers in MMA now.
I mean I like KO's, but I tend to pay more attention to talented grapplers in MMA now.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Joel Was Right
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Yes.
Here, have another.
What is his intent here? Was the only solution to him at this point to try and break that arm/dislocate it in order to win or was he not trying to break his arm? How much damage is acceptable when trying to get your opponent to submit or KO him?
Yes his intent was to make him tap or for the fight to be stopped by the ref. Since he didn't tap... yeah.
Here's another break while were on the subject, I'll just leave the link, it's nasty.
http://i.imgur.com/HNnqC.gif
Frank Mir (Guy breaking other dude's arm.) & Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira (Big Nog)
Edit: He did tap, sorry, but that was after the break clearly.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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The person was simply applying pressure, its the choice of the person not to submit that is the big factor.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Eewwww. That is like Sid Vicious levels, still the guy must have legs/calfs of the gods to cause that.
Well considering the dude who broke his leg is 6'4" fighting at lightweight (155 lbs) he barely had any meat on his legs. All bone.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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That makes sense. Still was he part of the Weapon X project? lol
Joel Was Right
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What does the word 'safety' mean in this sport?
Beerman462
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Is this even a question?
GungHo
Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
Actually, not too bad. Was a champion for a short time. His wrestling base is very strong (he was a collegiate wrestler [NCAA All American x2, Big Ten Champion x2] and a pro handegg player [though never saw field time]), and he has terrific strength. His problem was that he wasn't used to getting punched in the face, and so he developed a slight flinching problem. His first fight against Frank Mir also exposed that he had no idea what to do with someone who knew submissions. After he got over that, though, he gained a great deal of traction. If he hadn't contracted his health problems, he might still be a threat, though I still don't think he could have beaten Overeem.
I can't see the gifs at work so not sure what fight you're looking at, but if the opponent refuses to tap, there's not much else you can do to stop the fight. The ref is not empowered to make a determination that the fight's over until there's a perception of disablement (i.e. unconciousness, break, severe cut) or someone submits.
With KOs, usually fighters follow opponents down, unless it's very clear someone's out and not getting back up. Referees are usually pretty good about seeing a flash knockout. There have been fights where you'll see a fighter look at the ref and say "hey, he's out".
GekigangerV
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Nog/Mir II
Frank Mir is a guy who if he gets you in a submission will go all in and Big Nog is a fighter with a lot of pride who, on paper, has a better ground game and would not like to tap to a submission.
The funny thing is, Nog had Mir practically beat by KO before that, but decided to go for the submission finish instead of a ref stoppage. Which is one of the great things about MMA in my opinion. The fighter's chin, heart and skill can show in various ways depending on their fighting background as well as aggressive/defensive natures.
I can understand people who are not familiar with Jiu-Jutsu cannot appreciate the minute things a fighter must do to control there position or go from a disadvantage to an advantage. When I get home I will try to find an Eddie Bravo (he trains Joe Rogan in Jiu-jutsu) video to post. He really breaks down techniques well. If you listen to Joe Rogan commentate on the ground game you also get a great insight into how the ground game works.
I can also understand people who don't like to see wrestlers who "lay and pray" or "blanket" their opponents. I am talking more about the Jake O'Brien vs Heath Herring style, NOTHING but smothering opponents styles (I am surprised no one posted the NYE kiss yet). In the UFC the rules allow for that type of style, but the referee has the option to stand up fighters due to inactivity. (I really liked the PrideFC rules of knees to the head and yellow cards for stalling to avoid those kind of situations).
My brother and I have been MMA fans for quite a while, probably around UFC 3-5ish. We were fairly hardcore PrideFC fans and own all but a few of the DVD releases of their events. My brother and I would go to the bar to watch almost every UFC from ~80 to about 130. I have always had an appreciation of the ground game as there is quite a bit you have to keep on eye out for.
One of my favorite fights is Gracie/Sakuraba 1 from 2000 PrideGP. It was a fight that went on for 90 min because of special "Gracie Rules", but Sakuraba put on a clinic and it was great to see him use the Gi against gracie (another thing I liked about Pride was that fighters could use a Gi, of course this usually worked against them, but it was great to see).
The striking game and how fighters can adapt fairly quickly. I was a big fan of Lyoto Machida's defensive Karate style before his UFC title fight. If you go back to some of those pre-title fight posts in the MMA thread you will see quite a few of the fans in there complain about it. But during his title fight with Rashad Evans he got a great KO combination. That really stunned a lot of people.
I've only read through part of this thread and the immense level of ignorance and misinformation regarding MMA is astounding. I find GAF reasonably better educated than the general population, but if people all over really believe the bullshit misconceptions being spewed here, then the sport really doesn't have a chance to reach mainstream levels. I put this nonsense as high as the dumb belief that "disabling" a gun-equipped criminal is a simple thing for cops ("why don't they just shoot his hand!?").
Other sports like boxing and football are far more dangerous for its participants. Countless MMA fighters have retired with none of the problems commonly seen in NLF players and boxers.
MMA fighters are not "guys who couldn't cut it in boxing." Many guys come from wrestling, BJJ and the Asian martial arts and were never headed on a path to boxing. Fucking ridiculous to claim otherwise.
The fighters are not wild and mindless. They're highly trained in multiple MA disciplines. Maybe it looks wild to a new spectator because a good MMA fighters tends to not be one-dimensional and predictable, nor have an arsenal consisting of just four punches.
The fighters are not hugging it out in the ring. It's often about technique and timing, which is evident to the trained eye of a ref who knows when strategy is happening on the ground and will hold off from standing up the two guys. Other times it may be just a dull match. It happens, just like in any other sport. Shocking.
"Stupidity and alcohol" are not why fans watch. Nice way of dismissing millions of fans around the world as simpletons and idiots.
People can and do watch chess matches. Don't write it off as a joke because you share no interest in it.
He was merely bulky and was fairly strong, but not exceptionally so and he tired out very quickly (no endurance, muscles using up too much energy). Note for example that buff body builders don't make good fighters nor good power lifters.
It's stuff like this that demonstrates that most of you have absolutely no clue what MMA is really about. The majority of you were better off reading a good wiki on MMA and its history, and watching a few good matches before responding with all this drivel.
Other sports like boxing and football are far more dangerous for its participants. Countless MMA fighters have retired with none of the problems commonly seen in NLF players and boxers.
MMA fighters are not "guys who couldn't cut it in boxing." Many guys come from wrestling, BJJ and the Asian martial arts and were never headed on a path to boxing. Fucking ridiculous to claim otherwise.
The fighters are not wild and mindless. They're highly trained in multiple MA disciplines. Maybe it looks wild to a new spectator because a good MMA fighters tends to not be one-dimensional and predictable, nor have an arsenal consisting of just four punches.
The fighters are not hugging it out in the ring. It's often about technique and timing, which is evident to the trained eye of a ref who knows when strategy is happening on the ground and will hold off from standing up the two guys. Other times it may be just a dull match. It happens, just like in any other sport. Shocking.
"Stupidity and alcohol" are not why fans watch. Nice way of dismissing millions of fans around the world as simpletons and idiots.
People can and do watch chess matches. Don't write it off as a joke because you share no interest in it.
He was merely bulky and was fairly strong, but not exceptionally so and he tired out very quickly (no endurance, muscles using up too much energy). Note for example that buff body builders don't make good fighters nor good power lifters.
It's stuff like this that demonstrates that most of you have absolutely no clue what MMA is really about. The majority of you were better off reading a good wiki on MMA and its history, and watching a few good matches before responding with all this drivel.
ihearthawthats
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do you realize that boxing gloves are meant to protect the hands and not the head?
i think this is a case of what "looks" safe vs what actually is safe.
Quite a lot. There's been lots of rules added since the advent of the UFC to keep these guys from sustaining severe injuries.
Seriously, a lot of people commenting here really just dont know what they're talking about. They're going by first-glance impressions and making all sorts of false assumptions about the sport.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Well in fairness the Uniform Rules are only in the US. Japan can have different variances and people might see them. Soccer Kicks and stomps have bad optics for non-MMA fans, but we all know people have been fine in the long run and they generally mark the end of a fight.
I really doubt that most people are going off their experience of watching Japanese MMA matches.....
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
There's something very pure about 2 person in a ring and the best man prevails.
Both in boxing and MMA.. or any contact sport.
Boxing is my first love in sports, I enjoy it more than MMA. It comes down to the pure tactics of boxing because it's limited more in what one can do.
Both in boxing and MMA.. or any contact sport.
Boxing is my first love in sports, I enjoy it more than MMA. It comes down to the pure tactics of boxing because it's limited more in what one can do.
Roland Garros
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I can't watch it for more than 5 minutes, but I get why some people would like it. It's raw, and the physical extremes they put themselves through are often mesmerising.
That said, as soon as I see blood, or injury, I'm outta there. I think I'm too compassionate for it, the whole experience just creeps me out.
That said, as soon as I see blood, or injury, I'm outta there. I think I'm too compassionate for it, the whole experience just creeps me out.
FindMyFarms
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It means what it means. Kind of like the word 'ignorance' in this thread.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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I dunno a lot of PRIDE and Japanese stuff floats around because the owners don't do takedowns like the UFC do (Zuffa does pull pride stuff down, but not with the same frequency or priority of their UFC stuff). Also lots of people got starts in Japan so people looking for background may come across it. Let's not forget (though I love them dearly) freakshow fights like Sudo v Butterbean which could be Butterbean fights Japanese Guy UFC on youtube.
I'm not even factoring in "street fighting" that is online and mislabeled as called MMA or UFC or people who though Kimbo was MMA, which I also think is part of the problem, but in that case people can point out correctly it's not the same or regulated, which doesn't work as well as with Japan examples.*
Keep in mind we're talking about uniformed views with no real background searching for things or people on youtube.
That's not even looking at Vale Tudo stuff, which is more obscure, but could also have the same thing occur.
SquiddyCracker
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I don't even enjoy vanilla boxing, so MMA/cage fighting is completely uninteresting to me.
Here's one of the best fights of last year. Eddie Alvarez vs Michael Chandler from a Bellator event late last year. Absolutely incredible fight.
WATCH IT.
WATCH IT.
I dont think people making all these ignorant comments/assumptions here are the sorts that have done any sort of research whatsoever is my point. They've probably seen the overly dramatic UFC promos and maybe little clips here and there and see the prototypical UFC douche fan and then come here and claim to say how stupid it is and how they dont understand how anybody could like it or how its repulsive or uberdangerous or whatever.
Also, Kimbo was an MMA fighter for a time. He wasn't too bad, but didn't quite have the skillset to thrive.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Right, I get that. I guess I'm commenting on what their exposure might have been even if they did limited (and saying limited is being kind) research, the material might have been things totally non MMA that they think is MMA.
I also think a bunch of them are Anti-Gay and being homophobic.
I know ugh I saw the James Thompson fight live. lol I meant before he was when it was just those "street fight" videos online.
That is pretty much my issue as well. They need to spice it up with some wrestling stipulations at least (2 on 1, tornado tag, ladder matches). Also any MMA dude shitting on wrassling is pretty ridiculous, especially if they complain about not being taken seriously.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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http://www.thefightnerd.com/arm-wrestling-meets-mma-xarm-planning-a-return/
Also let's not forget the YAMMA PIT
http://www.thefightnerd.com/remembering-yamma-pit-fighting-three-years-later/
Kidding aside there was a legit form of tag team done using a fighting system from Asia, I just can't recall what the details were for the life of me.
No disagreement there. In fact I wish UFC/Fans/Fighters embraced that a bit more like it was in Japan and the entertainment and spectacle aspect of it.
Hell the pageantry of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF-T2XB6xAo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N78SuVHM9CM
I mean there is a reason the NFL has done so well and a lot of it belongs to Steve Sabol and NFL Films.
TheRagnCajun
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I have generally found the ref'ing to be outstanding. The fight is stopped at that perfect instant where one fighter has clearly won the match, but the other doesn't sustatin one more blow than necessary. In fact, with a typical 'ground and pound' victory, the loosing fighter is only rendered semi-unconcious, rather than a full knockout.
GungHo
Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
And furthermore, at the pro level, a lot of guys don't fight submissions when they're beat. Usually the competitors are bright enough to tap when they're caught and no one needs to break anything or choke anyone into unconciousness. However, you do occasionally get hard-heads like Big Nog who let pride get in the way or mean bastards like Shinya Aoki who have no qualms about breaking quickly to prove a point.
What is it that mma fans love about their sport?
The rest of you can enjoy watching grown men playing with rubber balls who love patting each others asses and flexing all tough and shit when they score a point. Its adorable really. Someone ought to give them a treat.
The rest of you can enjoy watching grown men playing with rubber balls who love patting each others asses and flexing all tough and shit when they score a point. Its adorable really. Someone ought to give them a treat.
I like both.What is it that mma fans love about their sport?
The rest of you can enjoy watching grown men playing with rubber balls who love patting each others asses and flexing all tough and shit when they score a point. Its adorable really. Someone ought to give them a treat.
Also, to people worried about the ref'ing - check out this gif and see how quickly the ref(Dan) starts running over. He's on his way before the guy even hits the ground.
Buddha Beam
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Nope, I'm gonna have to agree with the folks saying that most matches devolves into 2 half naked dudes rolling around on the floor. Occasionally I've seen matches that are exciting and are more akin to what you expect when you say "martial arts". But more often than not it winds up being a hold match. It's not fun or interesting. It's boring. I may as well watch high school wrestling.
Maybe I've just never seen a good MMA show and need to watch the Pay Per View ones... although I think I've seen a fair amount as my old boss was really into it.
That said, women's MMA doesn't tend to wind up being a high school wrestling match from what I've seen of it. They really go at each other's throats in WMMA.
Maybe I've just never seen a good MMA show and need to watch the Pay Per View ones... although I think I've seen a fair amount as my old boss was really into it.
That said, women's MMA doesn't tend to wind up being a high school wrestling match from what I've seen of it. They really go at each other's throats in WMMA.
polyh3dron
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Try to get a hold of the UFC on FOX 4 show from earlier this month. Also, as long as December's Fox show keeps the lineup that is slated right now, that whole show is going to be a barnburner too.
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