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[Perkel]

I wonder how nintendo will promote Wii U because looking at things there is no reason for X360/ps3 people buy something which will be only slightly powerfull than their consoles.

Also i don't believe they will release it for 249$ because controller has a big lcd screen so it must be costly for them.

I think they hoping for Wii like succes with their new controller.

As of 8GB storage, stop dreaming people about external HDD. It's nintendo.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

hey I'm okay with this! now bring me some software leaks pls

 

[Horse Armour]

https://twitter.com/IBMWatson/status/78473693843562498


?

That twitter account is likely run by some no name PR person with no contact with the engineers that were working on the Wii U CPU.

 

[kitchenmotors]

Disappointing. No Shader Model 5.0, no DirectX11, no OpenGL 4.3, weak CPU, only 1 GB RAM. I don't think we will see many Ports from PS4/Xbox3. Will buy when it reaches 150 Euro.

Now all we need is specialguy and it's a party in here!

 

[Rezbit]

Strange they couldn't go for DX11.

Also yeah, this can't be any more than $250 if the specs are true. Hopefully that means $300AU this time *fingers crossed*.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Same way 360 has been getting PC ports for the last 6 years. Very few people want to continue moving the bar because Wii proved it doesn't matter as much anymore and it's really expensive.

Which is what worries me. Luckily, I don't see a lot of my favorite and established 3rd party games not shipping on PS4 or 720 and PC. I just don't want things scaled back to accommodate for WiiU. We've been in a rut for the last few years when it comes to really advancing on the PC side thanks to mainly console ports. There have been plenty of exceptions but it's certainly not the norm of something like Sleeping Dogs with it's enhanced DX11 features.

This further makes me believe that WiiU will simply not be getting lots of the proper next gen games since it's simply limited. For WiiU owners sake, I hope you're ready for that pill since many new and great looking games will surely be shown that are not meant for current gen spec in 360/PS3/WiiU.

 

[ghst]

It's all about the raw power and graphics, right? *sigh*

people are forgetting that these parts have been custom tweaked by miyamoto's tech wizards to maximize their capacity for nintenflops. it's not about raw numbers, it's about a midichloric concert of pikmenergy which creates more fun per clock cycle than any other console technology.

 

[DrForester]

 

[Lupin the Third]

If the Wii had been comparable in performance, it would not have cost $250 in 2006 and would not have a 60 million+ userbase.

The Gamecube was similar in performance to the PS2 and XBox. After the initial test multiplats, most third party support was in the form of contractual obligations that immediately got thrown aside in favor of ports when it was possible to do so.

Imran bringing truth to the carnival.

In fact, let's look at GameCube's Capcom 5:

Dead Phoenix - Cancelled
PN 03 - Remained exclusive, and sold poorly
Resident Evil 4 - Ported to PS2
Killer 7 - Ported to PS2
Viewtiful Joe - Ported to PS2
Bonus! Resident Evil Remake - Stayed Nintendo-exclusive

 

[Donnie]

I think it's time to dig up some old post where I told people about the Wii U CPU being 3 overclocked Wii CPUs & they all said I was crazy.

But if you believe the info in the op then it isn't 3 overlooked Wii CPU'S. Since it clearly says enhanced cores and we know for example that part of that enhancement is 4 times as much L2 cache per core. Who knows what else is modified.

As has been said it seems more likely that it's a 470s or something and just looks a lot like Broadway because of Broadway compatible instructions being added. But it should be mentioned here that a triple core Broadway even at 1.6ghz and minus any enhancements would still be as fast or faster than Xenon.

 

[Graphics Horse]

That twitter account is likely run by some no name PR person with no contact with the engineers that were working on the Wii U CPU.

If it was really Watson it would answer in the form of a question.

 

[Acosta]

2$ this post was written on a computer using an X86-based CPU.

Just calling it a Broadway-based processor doesn't mean much in terms of how fast it can get.

Are you comparing a 16 bit CPU with a 64 bit multi core one? X86-16 is vastly different than X86-64.

 

[jmdajr]

"well, it will suffice for now, but in 2-4 years it will SUCK"

That´s the basic stuff being said in this thread, which is rather fascinating for a discussion regarding tech of any kind.

Well, and this is just all me. I still play my 360 and I bought one at launch. My wife bought the Wii, and I think it was pretty much over with in 4 years or less. So I'm thinking it will all just be a repeat. I think Gamecube will really be the last Nintendo console for me. Maybe my kid will want something Nintendo when she's older. Which will be a generation or two after WiiU. She's two months old. Heck maybe she will just play the 720 if MS can have a long run twice in a row.

 

[fallingdove]

Dead serious question for you. Did you see anything at E3 that made any of these specs seem too low? What exactly were you expecting them to be, based on what we'd seen about it?

Their strategy is far more complicated than "hype". They have first mover advantage for the next round of consoles, and they have the Tablet Controller as a distinguishing feature. It's not very likely to "fail", even if it doesn't succeed to the same level that the Wii or DS did. Wii, DS and 3DS have shown that you don't necessarily need to compete graphically in order to succeed, as long as you can make up some consumer appeal in other areas. To write them off solely based on technical specifications given recent history is extremely naive.

I thought that Ass Creed 3 looked pretty poor in comparison to current gen. And I would have hoped that Batman AC would have been more impressive given Rocksteady's technical track-record.

I am still not optimistic about the Wii-U for my own gaming needs. As a ps360 owner, I don't see the value proposition.

 

[Kokonoe]

I'm only really interested in seeing more games as I've already come to terms a long time ago that the Wii U is going to be this-gen in terms of specs. At least it has 1GB of ram, though, that's nice to see.

It's going to be a while till I purchase one, however.

 

[dc89]

The Wii was only £189 with Wii Sports. I have a feeling the WiiU pack in will be Nintendo land.

Yup I remember that! I can't see it being the same price as the Wii was when it launched but if they can kee it £200 or under then fair play.

 

[fabricated backlash]

When was the last time the most powerfull console won the "console war"?

I'm honestly asking because as far as I can remember, that never, ever, happened.

Don't you remember how the Dreamcast kicked the PS1, and N64s ass, how the Xbox killed the PS2 and the GC, or how the PS3 absolutely dominated the Wii and 360.

I still call bullshit on the "3 broadway cores" Even if the architecture and individual clocks would be similar, the ooe and multi core setup would make the comparison rather useless.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

And U-CPU is not Xenon, so?

My original statement was that Wii U CPU will (if rumors are true) be as powerful as a Xenon, which is a 2005 CPU since Xbox360 was released on 2005

So basically...what are you talking about?

 

[Snakeyes]

I know comparison is unwarranted for since we have yet to see output of the titles but in terms of raw specs, can someone rank the current consoles with WiiU? I can't fathom to know what's Expresso and “GPU7” AMD Radeon-based High Definition GPU.

All you need to know is that it's clearly above PS360 but far behind their successors, unless MS and Sony decide to downgrade the rumored specs.

I want to say Dreamcast of the gen but that may be a bit too generous.

 

[Zoramon089]

No one has answered my question. If the Broadway is for BC, why can't they just have it in 1 core and something different in the others?

 

[McLovin]

You better not because it's a pain in the ass or expensive if you want to.

Can't you just drop a 1tb hard drive in a ps3?

 

[Dennis]

I am ebaying my gaming PC right now.

 

[TwEE-N-Toast]

I wonder how nintendo will promote Wii U because looking at things there is no reason for X360/ps3 people buy something which will be only slightly powerfull than their consoles.

The same way they promoted the SNES probably, it might not have been the most powerful console at the time but that didn't stop it from having great exclusives, as well as having decent ports and multi console releases.

 

[iammeiam]

I wonder how nintendo will promote Wii U because looking at things there is no reason for X360/ps3 people buy something which will be only slightly powerfull than their consoles.

Also i don't believe they will release it for 249$ because controller has a big lcd screen so it must be costly for them.

Asked and answered in the same post--they're going to release their system, giant LCD controller and all, at a much lower price than the other next-gen consoles. That's the angle-- "So cheap AND it has a touchscreen controller?" low specs to keep price down, etc.

 

[Sean]

So um. How exactly will they get PS4/720 ports with these specs?

It likely won't.

But PS3/360 will probably stick around for another year or two (or at least be supported by multiplatform developers) and it should get ports of those games.

 

[Taker666]

The Wii was only £189 with Wii Sports. I have a feeling the WiiU pack in will be Nintendo land.

£179 actually...but that was back when the exchange rate converted 250 euros to £170

..now 250 euros=£200.

...not to mention the mysterious 12-15% extra we seem to get charged in the UK over and above mainland Europe in the last few years (either due to greedy UK retailers..or perhaps Nintendo charging UK retail more).

 

[YoYo Switch]

but can it run UE3

 

[Shion]

I want to say Dreamcast of the gen but that's maybe a bit too generous.

LOL, not even close.

Wii is exactly what you're looking for.

 

[olimpia84]

I'm not a tech expert but those specs do seem low, but then, it's not very surprising. The main problem I see with the WiiU is keeping up with the PS4 and Durango when they come out since I get the feeling that they will be more powerful and third party developers will probably won't even bother porting or downgrading their games for the WiiU.

 

[Moral Panic]

Won't using the same CPU type mean easy emulation?

 

[FyreWulff]

but can it run UE3

Yes, and you can bet a notable amount of devs will stay on their UE3 licenses

 

[Ydahs]

No one has answered my question. If the Broadway is for BC, why can't they just have it in 1 core and something different in the others?

I don't think it's a wise move to mix two different CPUs together. I think wsippel's theory makes the most sense:

Still don't believe the "enhanced Broadway" part. The 750 roadmap ended years ago, IBM had no plans to ever implement SMP or shrink it beyond 90nm. If it's close enough to be mistaken for an "enhanced Broadway", it's probably a 470S with the defining Gekko/ Broadway features bolted on (L1d locking, write gather pipe).

The keyword is enhanced. It's too broad of a term in this given context.

 

[Busty]

but can it run UE3

UE3 on the WiiU will look unlike anything you've ever seen before.

 

[Afro Gunsou]

Imran bringing truth to the carnival.

In fact, let's look at GameCube's Capcom 5:

Dead Phoenix - Cancelled
PN 03 - Remained exclusive, and sold poorly
Resident Evil 4 - Ported to PS2
Killer 7 - Ported to PS2
Viewtiful Joe - Ported to PS2
Bonus! Resident Evil Remake - Stayed Nintendo-exclusive

I notice you forgot REZero? Did that stay Nintendo exclusive too or no?

 

[dc89]

£179 actually...but that was back when the exchange rate converted 250 euros to £170

..now 250 euros=£200.

...not to mention the mysterious 12-15% extra we seem to get charged in the UK over and above mainland Europe in the last few years (either due to greedy UK retailers..or perhaps Nintendo charging UK retail more).

Them stealth charges really piss me off.

 

[Shining Sunshine]

A Wii U spec thread?

I'll be judging by the looks of the games.

 

[Black_Stride]

All you need to know is that it's clearly above PS360 but far behind their successors, unless MS and Sony decide to downgrade the rumored specs.

I want to say Dreamcast of the gen but that may be a bit too generous.

Jesus, this thread delivers!

I am ebaying my gaming PC right now.

Dat DX10.1 equivalent you need it brother.

 

[Like the hat?]

in all honesty the only details that matter to me are how much and give it to me

 

[evilromero]

I'm not a tech expert but those specs do seem low, but then, it's not very surprising. The main problem I see with the WiiU is keeping up with the PS4 and Durango when they come out since I get the feeling that they will be more powerful and third party developers will probably won't even bother porting or downgrading their games for the WiiU.

Well the Wii did launch right alongside the PS3 and a year after the 360 so I imagine some similar scenarios playing out this time, but with even less perceived differences between graphics since all three consoles will output at the same resolution.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

the wiiu uses some kind of bluray technology right? a lot of ps3 games use mandatory installs to compensate the 2x br drive.

will the br drive in wiiu be faster? if not, how will the install process work? is an external hdd with usb 2.0 fast enough to stream the data?

I can't remember the specs off the top of my head, but I'm almost certain USB2.0 read speeds are MUCH faster than bluray read speeds.

Based on numbers I crunched a while ago* I can say this:

Sony had no choice but to use the slowest BluRay drive (2X) in order to cut costs, and they payed dearly for it - or more accurately developers payed dearly. The thing was slower than the 360's DVD drive. I'm fairly confident Nintendo are going with 4X-6X, which is fast enough, but still not quite as fast as a decent USB 2.0 drive, so there's nothing to worry about.

*I'll add them if enough people care.

 

[onQ123]

You've made reference to this three times now and no one has responded, and with good reason. This is a rumor, not fact, and some of the specs completely go against some of the other rumors we've heard that have more weight to them.

Either way, people complaining about storage in here are redic. We've known you can BYO memory for over a year now, and that's not an issue. Of course, it's Nintendo. Gotta have something to complain about.

Also, 32MB is not for the OS. I don't know how many times it has to be said.

Where are your rumors that hold more weight?

until then I'll enjoy my moment

 

[FyreWulff]

I notice you forgot REZero? Did that stay Nintendo exclusive too or no?

REZero has somehow managed to stay Nintendo exclusive. REmake as well.

 

[sonitii]

Thing is. That CPU architecture is old tech. Kind of sad actually if true.

 

[mrklaw]

A lot of people cited this as an advantage on the Wii if they had Gamecube experience. Hell, I think Nintendo might have said that a couple of times. Not 100% about my second statement though. That didn't really encourage third parties to develop Wii software. Don't think it'll work in this case either.

The cycle doesn't end until the generation does. The games keep us in a perpetual state of turmoil.

whatever Nintendo say, they don't develop their platforms for 3rd parties. This will be good for their internal teams


if its just a Wii CPU x3, plus a relatively standard GPU, would that make emulation simpler?

 

[lightchris]

No one has answered my question. If the Broadway is for BC, why can't they just have it in 1 core and something different in the others?

Mainly because a one chip solution is cheaper than two chips one, I would suppose.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

All you need to know is that it's clearly above PS360 but far behind their successors, unless MS and Sony decide to downgrade the rumored specs.

I want to say Dreamcast of the gen but that may be a bit too generous.

Perfect. That's all I wanted to hear, thanks! This could mean that PS3/360 support ain't dying anytime soon. Could...

Unless of course *gulp* WiiU gets somewhat similar treatment as Wii i.e. ports of older titles.

 

[DimmuBurgerKing]

Someone translate this into DBZ levels of power plz

Kaioken times 100

 

[SmokyDave]

The majority won't care obviously.
They'll watch what games this have, and buy it or not for if they like it.

'The majority' aren't even that complicated. They'll buy it once the Mario Index hits 1.0

 

[Ydahs]

Thing is. That CPU architecture is old tech. Kind of sad actually if true.

Maybe they enhanced that old tech by adding new tech while still preserving the distinct characteristics of Broadway? 'Enhanced' can mean many things.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

I notice you forgot REZero? Did that stay Nintendo exclusive too or no?

It remained Nintendo-exclusive. It did get a Japan-exclusive Wii port though.