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I'm dead fucking serious. People giving way more fucks than necessary about continuity is part of The Problem With Comics.

This is a bullshit attitude to take. The story is explicitly referencing a story that DC still have in print. Readers might be interested in that story. Tell them about it.

I really couldn't give two shits about continuity in general (it matters internally within a story but I like Hypertime) but this is wrong just from a consumer information standpoint.
 
Uncanny X-Force #29 and 30: If
for being on a team of killers, Betsy sure sucks at trying to kill herself
Regardless of that annoyance, liked the issues. UXF is going to make a fantastic omnibus one day. That and FF/Fantastic Four are the must haves in recent years.

Dark Knight 10-12: It's not for me. Maybe it's a decent take on scarecrow but i don't think that's enough to keep my interest when i'm buying too many comic books and eager to read something else. Scarecrow gets some people and scares them. Surprisssssssssssssssed.
 
Avengers Arena could be decent, but the reason why new characters from the Runaways, New X-men, Young Avengers, Avengers Academy, etc never make the big leagues is that Marvel constantly uses them as cannon fodder is series such as this one. I can't help but think that most of the Giant Sized X-Men would have been killed off within 5 years if they were created today.

This series is going to produce the same sort of hate that Beyond got for killing Gravity.

Yup. That's exactly my problem. Marvel actually have interesting teen characters that could develop nicely. Nomad being my primary example as she is a teen captain america without a home, so she doesn't have to be tied to a country.

Why kill her in some random mini-series regarding the less cared about villain of all time? The same with stature. You create some fucking weird time travel plot to bring her father back, making the foundation of a father/daughter duo, and then you kill her on the exactly same issue, don't even leaving a chance for someone down the road to develop the idea? Cmon.

Character death in comic book is something that pisses people off more than chock then because it really isn't about the finality of death, it is about "oh great, now you writer X decided that no other writer can do a take on the character without going to the trouble of ressurecting him".

Feels like a waste of time.

And to keep nerdraging, what about the patriot?

Hey, let's create a black captain america with a very cool reason to have superpowers that is tied to issues a black captain america would be tied to.
What? He is just a drug user with artificial powers basically erasing the character? Ok, cool.

This is worse than death because you would have to actually retcon what another dude did.
 
Thoughts on Avenger Arena: I can see the appeal it has but I'm sure deaths won't come as fast as Battle Royale. I'll wait to see initial reaction before I pick up a new title.

Read my Comics:

AvX 11: Great work by Coipel I can see the reason why they only let this guy out to do events. Looks like Cyclops lost his sense a long time ago, I can see him
surviving
this event with a road of
redemption
in front of him.

WatXM 16: I kind of like this Hellfire Kids Club, Bachalo art was great.

Batman 0: I can see the confusion caused by the six years ago, but regardless I enjoyed the Red Hood retcon (I think?). The to be continued in 2013 threw me.
 
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I'm going to start by saying that I have never written to Marvel or emailed / tweeted anyone at Marvel re: Jean Grey. That's not me. I am simply resigned to the inevitability that the character will return.

It is no secret that Jean Grey is a popular character, and there is a population of fans pestering Marvel to bring the character back. At the Marvel panel at Comic Con 2008, it was even said that there had been discussions about bringing the character back; it was not something they wanted to rush. (Again, my feeling that it's inevitable.)

In 2007, Marvel introduced a young mutant created to resemble Jean.
The character was also given some connection to the Phoenix Force...like Jean...but not Jean.

(Mild trolling, but trolling nonetheless. Give the character black hair - or any physical features not resembling Jean, and you cut-off fanboy speculation.)

Second, Marvel is bringing back Jean Grey as a regular character in an ongoing book. Of the characters in Bendis' New X-Men, it is Jean that they put in the Marvel Now promos, again fueling speculation. Marvel acknowledges that it is Jean...but with a twist that it's pre-death Jean. (Again, that is what I would call trolling.)

Then there's the matter of that AvX 12 promo that we all assume isn't Jean (since you can't see a face), but was drawn to look like Dark Phoenix Jean.

I don't know if I feel trolled, but it is pretty lame when your favorite comic book character has been dead for a decade.
 
DC needs some more fun/wacky books. Everyone is super serious all the time....

Seriously. I can't handle all that moody shit. OMAC was fun but aside from that Frankenstein is pretty much all we got left.
 
I'm dead fucking serious. People giving way more fucks than necessary about continuity is part of The Problem With Comics.
I'm constantly amazed at how serious most fans take continuity. Even the stupid little stuff gets rage.

I really don't give a crap what happened 30 years ago, especially when I've never read it. With so many reboots, alternate universes, elseworlds, time travel or whatever, I just enjoy each story for what it is without caring about some nitpicking detail that conflicts with a previous comic.

I think it really limits a writer's creativity when he has to follow every little historic detail from every writer before him. It really is a problem with superhero comics.
 
Seriously. I can't handle all that moody shit. OMAC was fun but aside from that Frankenstein is pretty much all we got left.

I got the trade of OMAC but haven't gotten around to reading it yet. Frankenstein and Demon Knights are the only real standouts for me, and Damian has his moments in B&R but it's rare. Just take a book like Justice League, the entire team lacks emotion and personality, at best we have Hal Jordan saying jerky awkward things from time to time. The Shazam back-up does a decent job of making up for it but it's not substantial enough.

So i'm reading Defenders( issue #9 especially), Uncanny X-Force, Fantastic Four, FF, WATXM, Avenging Spidey, ASM, etc etc etc and even if i don't love an issue, at least it's got character.
 
Avengers Arena sounds like a terrible idea. Hopeless can write some good stuff but this shit is stupid.

I agree so hard it hurts. A) It's always terrible when comics try to cover a hot trend long after its time in the sun has already past and B) Oh, look. It's another "let's kill off a bunch of newer characters" event. They haven't done that in, like, months.
 
I mean not only that it is a obvious cash in on Hunger Games. But the reason why HG and Battle Royal was successful was due to the fact they were a self contained story. The MU characters are not.

Ridiculous. No way I can buy this in a 616 setting.
 
I mean not only that it is a obvious cash in on Hunger Games. But the reason why HG and Battle Royal was successful was due to the fact they were a self contained story. The MU characters are not.

Ridiculous. No way I can buy this in a 616 setting.

Word. It reminds me of the really awkward and deeply misguided mutant Holocaust series where your beloved favorites were rounded up in internment camps and gassed to death! It was right around the time some Holocaust flick was all the rage.
 
Word. It reminds me of the really awkward and deeply misguided mutant Holocaust series where your beloved favorites were rounded up in internment camps and gassed to death! It was right around the time some Holocaust flick was all the rage.

Weapon X? I used to post on an X-men board that Frank Tieri had a sub-forum on. He used to take requests for characters to kill off.
 
And this is coming from someone who reads Venom/UXF/SA/the Carnage minis and so forth. I HAVE no problem with gore and death but when the point of the book is solely to kill I just shake my head.
 
I'm only pissed off that they're using 2 of the popular Runaways in a fucking snuff comic when they need to instead have a new Runaways book.
 
Yep, just let's kill them off for a cheap thrill.

Let us not consider how many connections several of these characters possess with Avengers. Or other marvel icons.

See? That is the part that does not make sense.

NOTE: I have read Battle royal and loved it but the fact is there were villains AMONG them at the time. Which pushed the moral compass of said good people. And this is after Hazmat/Mettle have shown they are hero material in Final Exam.
 
Yep, just let's kill them off for a cheap thrill.

Let us not consider how many connections several of these characters possess with Avengers. Or other marvel icons.

See? That is the part that does not make sense.

NOTE: I have read Battle royal and loved it but the fact is there were villains AMONG them at the time. Which pushed the moral compass of said good people. And this is after Hazmat/Mettle have shown they are hero material in Final Exam.

I'm siding with the people who would want to read this if it weren't in continuity. I don't like the idea of just killing off people for kicks in continuity, but that's my Runaways bias. " Well, we haven't done anything with these characters soooooooooo why not make them fight to the death?"

How many steps away are we from having viewers vote on who they want to win?

unrelated note:

Comixology sale! Sixth Gun! I've heard a lot of good talk about this book but never got around to reading it for myself. With the sale, the first issue is also free so now's the time, and i was not disappointed. For a first issue it covered a lot of ground and i definitely enjoyed it and appreciated the expanded horror layer than just a standard western. Check it out!

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I'm siding with the people who would want to read this if it weren't in continuity. I don't like the idea of just killing off people for kicks in continuity, but that's my Runaways bias. " Well, we haven't done anything with these characters soooooooooo why not make them fight to the death?"

How many steps away are we from having viewers vote on who they want to win?
If Marvel reads these forums, you've just inspired them.
 
I'm siding with the people who would want to read this if it weren't in continuity. I don't like the idea of just killing off people for kicks in continuity, but that's my Runaways bias. " Well, we haven't done anything with these characters soooooooooo why not make them fight to the death?"

How many steps away are we from having viewers vote on who they want to win?
That's what they will use
The AR app for. Book should be titled, Marvel Universe kills unused characters.
 
Hey brah what other drawing supplies should I get? Getting tracing paper, cheap light box and pencil set. I know that eighty perCEnt of drawing is looking good.

For pencils lead holders are always a good idea. It gives you the line weight variety you want, but without the shrinking body size of a pencil. Here's a guide for lead refill hardness. One thing I picked up from Dale Keown is have two lead holders one with a harder lead for figure drawing, and a lighter lead for rendering the volume of the figure.

2mm lead sharpener. A portable version of this is the Kum OnIt sharpener. Plus it's called Kum on it. Hur hur hurrrrr. . .

A Winsor & Newton series 7, Sable Hair brush of some size is good to have. #0, or #1

Japan's Deleter G-Pens are bad ass for nib inking. Western artists tend to use the Hunt #102-107, but they wear out super fast and are around a buck a pop. D:

FW Acrylic Ink, black is the blackest and most durable ink I've used.

Pentel Pocket Brush pen is great for inking with a brush anywhere.

Faber Castel Pitt Pens XS, S, F range covers the pen stuff and it's india ink based.

Factis white vinyl is pretty safe on ink when erasing pencils.

Kneaded rubber is good for general erasing and light lifting.

You'll want to do this on a good 100lb bristol board. Blue Line Pro can hook you up with comic paper. Don't go cheap. I did at first and the paper was flaky. Get the high end stuff. Although I believe vendors are making comic ruled pages for sale at stores like Michael's, Pat Catans, Utrecht, etc. Whatever is near you.

A paper tip - store it in a box with those silica gel packets you get in prescriptions and foods. They help keep the paper moisture free if you live in a humid area. Moist paper and india ink = disaster. :(
 
Yep, just let's kill them off for a cheap thrill.

Let us not consider how many connections several of these characters possess with Avengers. Or other marvel icons.

See? That is the part that does not make sense.

NOTE: I have read Battle royal and loved it but the fact is there were villains AMONG them at the time. Which pushed the moral compass of said good people. And this is after Hazmat/Mettle have shown they are hero material in Final Exam.

Yeah, if they wanted to do this story, it should've been Watchmen style. Recognizable analogues - not established characters they're just throwing through a snuff flick for "shock" value.

They keep killing off new characters and wondering why they have to resort to the same stories and characters ad naseum.
 
There's an ongoing comic, sadly it's digital but it's still pretty rad. I just wish the chapters were longer, but it is .99.

It's available in physical form too, yo! It's been under the Batman Beyond Unlimited banner and has three stories, one of which is the continuing Batman Beyond, while the other two involve the Justice League and old ass future Superman. It's 3.99 a floppy.
 
It's available in physical form too, yo! It's been under the Batman Beyond Unlimited banner and has three stories, one of which is the continuing Batman Beyond, while the other two involve the Justice League and old ass future Superman. It's 3.99 a floppy.

Not a bad price, it's a bit cheaper for me digitally though since I only read Batman and Justice League (which has some great art btw). I'll get the trades when they come out but for now I can't say no to $1!
 
Not a bad price, it's a bit cheaper for me digitally though since I only read Batman and Justice League (which has some great art btw). I'll get the trades when they come out but for now I can't say no to $1!

Yeah, that dollar is totally well spent. I'd love to have the Batman Beyond comic pre-52 that solely focused on his story instead of these super short chapters but I'm enjoying the shit out them and the other stories aren't bad, so it's all fun in the Beyondverse.
 
Yeah, that dollar is totally well spent. I'd love to have the Batman Beyond comic pre-52 that solely focused on his story instead of these super short chapters but I'm enjoying the shit out them and the other stories aren't bad, so it's all fun in the Beyondverse.

Well there is Hush Beyond and the Industrial Revolution trades, I don't think the new-52 has affected the Beyond-verse all that much. It seems to take it's ques from the old cartoon.
 
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