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Mother Jones: "Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters"

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Angry Fork said:
His voice sounds so different/younger.

"I believe in redistribution, at least at some level, to make sure everybody's got a shot" is the exact same thing he says now except instead of redistribution he says raise taxes on rich. Not the gamer changer Romney camp hopes it will be.
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Which is the same thing really. But the 'private island' conservatives and libertarians will be shocked and awed regardless, and pretend they don't live in a larger society.
 
planar1280 said:
Right is trying to counter with Drudge at the forefront

http://drudgereport.com/

1998 audio excerpt of Obama saying he believes in redistribution

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge3aGJfDSg4
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Yup, and by redistribution he is talking about governments reallocating the resources they have available to improve the lives of the people they're already supporting. To help the people who really need help. He mentions the Chicago Public Housing Authority and the Chicago public school districts as two examples. Government resources are not sufficiently serving those organizations and thus should be redistributed to support those failing entities.

But NO, what he REALLY means is taking tax money from rich people and giving it to poor people. Straight up. Checks in the mail.

I really, really hate that one of the most rational, thoughtful, reasonable people to serve as president is made to look like some kind of radical extremist every time he opens his mouth. And people don't even bother to try and understand what he's saying.
 
Ghost_Protocol said:
I really, really hate that one of the most rational, thoughtful, reasonable people to serve as president is made to look like some kind of radical extremist every time he opens his mouth. And people don't even bother to try and understand what he's saying.
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Swing voters don't vote based on policy discussions, thoughtfulness, reason, etc. They vote based on slick marketing campaigns, sound bites, relentless attacks, and the numbers they saw at the gas station on the way home.

And it's not just one party to blame for conducting campaigns that take full of advantage of these tendencies.

Such are the joys of democracy - the group of voters in some ways least qualified to run the country wield the most influence.
 
Open Source said:
Swing voters don't vote based on policy discussions, thoughtfulness, reason, etc. They vote based on slick marketing campaigns, sound bites, relentless attacks, and the numbers they saw at the gas station on the way home.

And it's not just one party to blame for conducting campaigns that take full of advantage of these tendencies.

Such are the joys of democracy - the group of voters in some ways least qualified to run the country wield the most influence.
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Also as far as rural Republicans go: racism, religion, and guns.
 
Ghost_Protocol said:
Yup, and by redistribution he is talking about governments reallocating the resources they have available to improve the lives of the people they're already supporting. To help the people who really need help. He mentions the Chicago Public Housing Authority and the Chicago public school districts as two examples. Government resources are not sufficiently serving those organizations and thus should be redistributed to support those failing entities.

But NO, what he REALLY means is taking tax money from rich people and giving it to poor people. Straight up. Checks in the mail.

I really, really hate that one of the most rational, thoughtful, reasonable people to serve as president is made to look like some kind of radical extremist every time he opens his mouth. And people don't even bother to try and understand what he's saying.
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Sadly, its clear that there are people that will not support Obama, no matter what he says, does, or otherwise. The man has ended 2 wars, gave the US healthcare reform, killed Bin Laden, and is slowly attempting to turn the economy around. All in just 4 years.

If he was a Republican, it'd be the second coming of Reagan.
 
Copernicus said:
Jesus fuck, the question he answered that was initially leaked was:

With two months, how do you convince them that they have to take care of themselves?
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Reminds me of...

One of the positive things about our giant economic collapse has been an outbreak of honesty among the billionaires who run America. Now they seem to feel free to express how they truly feel about the rest of us.

Here are the views of David Siegel, timeshare mogul and star of the new documentary Queen of Versailles. He and his wife Jackie first got national attention for their attempt to build the largest house in America, a 90,000-square foot Versailles replica:

David and Jackie have been surprised by the criticism of their lifestyle. “So much negativity. You would think they would be happy for someone living the American dream,” Jackie says. … As for the notion that the divide between the wealthy and everyone else is grotesquely wide, David says: “There’s always been rich and poor, the 1 percent and the 99 percent.” And then he adds, “It’s like a prison. If you only have prisoners and no guards, you’d have chaos.”

So that's pretty straightforward: America is like a prison, and all non-billionaires are the prisoners. (Also, the prisoners should be happy for the guards.)

http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/003634.html
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This is how a lot big money seems to be thinking these days.
 
One of the odd things about this GOP war against the 47% is that THE GOP CREATED THIS LARGE CLASS OF NON TAX-PAYERS!

When they tried to put together the Bush tax cuts, it became apparent that it would largely be a huge give-away to the wealthy. So they did all sorts of things to lower taxes on low income people to show that the tax cut was not just all going to the rich (even though it mostly was). So they boosted the Earned Income tax-credit, boosted the dependent deduction, etc. The end result was all sorts of people dropping off the income tax roles.

They wrote the rules that made it such that lower income people pay little or no income tax . . . and now the complain about it. When you point that finger, you got three more fingers pointing back at you.
 
speculawyer said:
One of the odd things about this GOP war against the 47% is that THE GOP CREATED THIS LARGE CLASS OF NON TAX-PAYERS!

When they tried to put together the Bush tax cuts, it became apparent that it would largely be a huge give-away to the wealthy. So they did all sorts of things to lower taxes on low income people to show that the tax cut was not just all going to the rich (even though it was). So they boosted the Earned Income tax-credit, boosted the dependent deduction, etc.

They wrote the rules that made it such that lower income people pay little or no income tax . . . and now the complain about it. When you point that finger, you got three more fingers pointing back at you.
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This is absolutely true.

In many parts of the country, if you're middle class and have kids and a mortgage, you're paying very, very little in income tax.

The middle class' problem is not income taxes; it is unemployment (and to a lesser extent, property taxes). And even these are relatively mild compared with the problems of the lower class and small business owners. We only hear so much pandering to the middle class nowadays because they have lots of votes and are the swingy-est of voters.
 
speculawyer said:
One of the odd things about this GOP war against the 47% is that THE GOP CREATED THIS LARGE CLASS OF NON TAX-PAYERS!

When they tried to put together the Bush tax cuts, it became apparent that it would largely be a huge give-away to the wealthy. So they did all sorts of things to lower taxes on low income people to show that the tax cut was not just all going to the rich (even though it mostly was). So they boosted the Earned Income tax-credit, boosted the dependent deduction, etc. The end result was all sorts of people dropping off the income tax roles.

They wrote the rules that made it such that lower income people pay little or no income tax . . . and now the complain about it. When you point that finger, you got three more fingers pointing back at you.
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The GOP can't be held liable for their actions or voting record, especially if those actions occurred before the current election cycle. Why are you trying to distract us from the GOP's laser-like focus on creating jobs in this Obama economy?
 
Clevinger said:
Yes. But more than that, a lot of that 47% (such as retirees) that Romney was talking about are Republicans that will vote for him.
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Yep. Kind of sad that a lot of the old retirees will vote Republican, even though the party is nothing like it was when they were younger. We need a new party, and let the Tea Party just slowly kill the Republican party from within.
 
hukasmokincaterpillar said:
Reminds me of...



This is how a lot big money seems to be thinking these days.
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Power begets justifying why one has power. The American system invites people to amass not just "due rewards" for their efforts, but nearly godlike wealth, influence, station, and power. Often not for anything that can be rationally reasoned as a direct result of The Sweat of Their Brow.

Those who godlike power and station in a society, regardless of how they got it, regardless of how 'just' it is, tend to fall into a basic trap of human psychology. They come to believe that they have what they do because they're just different from other people, which tends to quickly slide into "they're just better". The drudges are the drudges, the poor the poor, and the elite the elite. So it was written, let it be done, amen.

And when people live like royalty compared to the average person in their society, they tend to fall into pattern of royal behavior down through history.

The good side of the American system, and similar systems, is that it does at least offer the potential for some people to achieve the godhead truly coming from humble beginnings. And there's a chance those people will retain perspective against even their own psychology whispering their ear. I think this is demonstrated in the shape of the sane, responsible, wealthy individuals in the US - you know, the people who break rank with big money and say "tax me more".

But the problems of power remain, despite that mitigating factor. There's still plenty of capitalism-built royalty to go around.
 
speculawyer said:
One of the odd things about this GOP war against the 47% is that THE GOP CREATED THIS LARGE CLASS OF NON TAX-PAYERS!

When they tried to put together the Bush tax cuts, it became apparent that it would largely be a huge give-away to the wealthy. So they did all sorts of things to lower taxes on low income people to show that the tax cut was not just all going to the rich (even though it mostly was). So they boosted the Earned Income tax-credit, boosted the dependent deduction, etc. The end result was all sorts of people dropping off the income tax roles.

They wrote the rules that made it such that lower income people pay little or no income tax . . . and now the complain about it. When you point that finger, you got three more fingers pointing back at you.
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That figure also comes on the heels of a mammoth financial crisis that deflated oh I don't know, 40% of American wealth virtually overnight?
 
Joe said:
This will all be complete nothingness a week from now.
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Meh ... I'm not so sure. Even the evangelical in my office was completely turned off by this and said his friends were too.

I think this might be a little bit more damaging to Mitt than the right would like to admit.


Angry Fork said:
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert)...
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I absolutely love that this is still a parody. I haven’t even been on the gaming side in years but remember this post so well. HA
 
Kaijima said:
Power begets justifying why one has power. The American system invites people to amass not just "due rewards" for their efforts, but nearly godlike wealth, influence, station, and power. Often not for anything that can be rationally reasoned as a direct result of The Sweat of Their Brow.

Those who godlike power and station in a society, regardless of how they got it, regardless of how 'just' it is, tend to fall into a basic trap of human psychology. They come to believe that they have what they do because they're just different from other people, which tends to quickly slide into "they're just better". The drudges are the drudges, the poor the poor, and the elite the elite. So it was written, let it be done, amen.

And when people live like royalty compared to the average person in their society, they tend to fall into pattern of royal behavior down through history.

The good side of the American system, and similar systems, is that it does at least offer the potential for some people to achieve the godhead truly coming from humble beginnings. And there's a chance those people will retain perspective against even their own psychology whispering their ear. I think this is demonstrated in the shape of the sane, responsible, wealthy individuals in the US - you know, the people who break rank with big money and say "tax me more".

But the problems of power remain, despite that mitigating factor. There's still plenty of capitalism-built royalty to go around.
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Dead on Kaijima. I definitely think we have to be empathetic to our capacity for self-rationalization, even among powerful people with pernicious influence. In the sense that the blind spots you describe drill right down to the sense of self, and exploding that is no easy feat. A lot of argument is wasted energy in that regard. But at the very least it makes cognitive dissonance in others less exasperating to process.

As for upward mobility, our system is flagging, and for people at the bottom of the system, outright hostile.

In 2006 Professor Corak reviewed more than 50 studies of nine countries. He ranked Canada, Norway, Finland and Denmark as the most mobile, with the United States and Britain roughly tied at the other extreme. Sweden, Germany, and France were scattered across the middle.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/u...-to-rise-from-lower-rungs.html?pagewanted=all
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gutter_trash said:
what is wrong with anything he said here?

I wish we had a 1998 Obama instead of 2012 boring moderate Obama
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Obama has been consistent with his argument on redistribution, the 1998 "redistribution" he talks about sounds more like a safety net. But he has argued that our constitution is flawed, that it simply limits the power of the government from doing things to you, not what it can do for you. Listen to this interview form 2001, nothing about him has changed....

Obama 2001 NPR interview

This is far more radical than the clip from 1998.
 
Ghost_Protocol said:
I really, really hate that one of the most rational, thoughtful, reasonable people to serve as president is made to look like some kind of radical extremist every time he opens his mouth. And people don't even bother to try and understand what he's saying.
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Obama has a lot to answer for, but his alleged "radicalism" is not one of those things, I agree.
 
Unless they have a timed release plan. First this video to highlight Romney's stance of not paying taxes. Then his actual taxes to highlight his hypocrisy.
 
Tapiozona said:
Unless they have a timed release plan. First this video to highlight Romney's stance of not paying taxes. Then his actual taxes to highlight his hypocrisy.
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Considering the source had been posting snippets of the video since August (even tried to make an account in Rachel Maddows name but they had it taken down because they couldn't verify the video and didn't want it in their name) I really don't think so :P.

Ghost_Protocol said:
If it's found out that he paid no taxes at all for even one year.......
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Yeah the video really highlighted the hypocrisy of Mitts own taxes. If he really didn't pay income taxes (and hell technically capital gains is a different tax then federal income tax, he could already be in the 47%!) then he was criticizing Obama supporters are irresponsible parasites while being just as much one himself (if true).
 
New SHIT

Mitt Romney was his May 17 Florida fundraiser — the subject of now-ubiquitous leaked video — how he could "duplicate" the 1980 hostage crisis scenario, credited with defeating Jimmy Carter.

In response, the presidential candidate said: "I mean, if something of that nature presents itself I will work to find a way to take advantage of the opportunity."
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Fucking scum bag dude.

Now we know why he pulled that shit last week!

http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpolitics/romney-said-hed-take-advantage-of-iran-hostage-li
 
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