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[Hawkian]

I say, make most voting take place on weekends or make them holidays, require photo ID to register and vote, make the ID free, and you must register at least 45 days before voting. I want it easy to actually vote on election day, but make sure you are who you say you are and you live where you say you live when you do vote.

Vote fraud is real, it takes place on both sides, and it needs to stop.

Ugh. Facts?

 

[WorriedCitizen]

your country probably issues them at a cheap price or free to citizens, what is your country?

Germany. Cost is around 30 Euro. You need a new one every 10 years. People on welfare have to pay for them but afaik 25 cents of the monthly welfare payment actualy is calculated for this purpose..

 

[Drencrom]

So you can use NRA cards, but not Student ID or Veteran Cards?

It seems so, pretty fucking stupid if you ask me.

Closed the tab when she said she's Jewish.

Why does she always do that?
In every bit, show, appearance, speech, etc. she has to remind us.

It's a conspiracy!

 

[Futureman]

It seems so, pretty fucking stupid if you ask me.

depends on the state, check that link above (http://www.costoffreedom.info/).

PA accepts drivers license, current or retired military ID (and military dependent), college ID, passport....

 

[scorcho]

i've never quite grasped (outside of sheer dickery) why it's those in opposition to voter ID laws that have to provide evidence to defend their position. shouldn't it be incumbent on those asking for this legislative change to provide the relevant data showing how widespread this fraud is, how this specific type of legislation would prevent it, and all without disenfranchising entire groups of people?

there's also little delineation between voter registration fraud and actual voter fraud, which are two separate issues that require different types of legislation to solve.

 

[travisbickle]

So in the past you could just vote without proof of your identity? That sounds pretty shady.

If someone has no ID how does he identify oneself when ge gets stopped by the police for some offence? Over here it's so if you don't have an ID or a friend nearby who can vouch for your identity they will put you in jail until they know your identity.

And how do you open a bank account, rent an appartment, buy a house or whatever without ID? Sound completely illogical to me that citizens don't need to have an ID.

What do you think someone's going to do?

Print out a list of every person's name and address in the city. Bring along a sack of disguises. Somehow stop every other person in the city from going to vote, then spend the day walking in and out of the ballot booth, reciting everyone's name and address whilst wearing a different disguise every time?

 

[dabig2]

My grandmother had to get a picture ID (not a drivers license) for something here in Florida. She just had to go down to the DMV (I believe) and got it taken care of. Yeah, it's an inconvenience but I don't see how this should stop anyone from voting.

Meanwhile in Pennsylvania...

Shortly before the Pennsylvania Commonwealth Court upheld the state’s contentious voter ID law, State Senator Vincent Hughes (D-PA) predicted chaos, saying it was “unequivocally clear that the state cannot pull this off by Election Day.” Now, as the state Supreme Court prepares to hear the case on Thursday, Hughes’ warning has born out. ABC News reports that Pennsylvania’s DMVs are swamped by residents trying to get the appropriate government-issued ID before November 6.

The state has issued 72,000 IDs specifically obtained for voting purposes since the law was enacted in March. To get a non-driver ID, a resident must provide their birth certificate, a Social Security card, and two documents proving residency. Even to obtain an voting only ID card, which was introduced in late August as an effort to accommodate the thousands of Pennsylvanians without ID, the state requires a Social Security number, proof of residence and a signed affidavit pledging the voter cannot get another kind of ID. These requirements are translating into hours-long lines at the DMV and Social Security office, multiple trips to obtain birth certificates and affidavits, and many miles of driving for many rural Pennsylvanians.

ABC News interviewed one man who was struggling to navigate his 87-year-old mother through the burdensome process:

Voters who have the six types of documents necessary to apply for the state ID card have limited time to apply. For residents of 13 counties, there is only one day per week that the DMV is open to apply for an ID. And in 10 more counties it’s only open two days per week.

For Klincewicz and his 87-year-old mother that limited schedule meant two days of trying in order to get her the ID required to vote, after she mistakenly surrendered her state ID because of a Department of Transportation error. Klincewicz’s wife had to make two trips to the DMV where she and her mother-in-law, Jisele, waited upwards of four hours to get the ID. All told, he and his wife spent more than 20 hours making phone calls, writing emails, driving to the DMV and waiting in lines to get his mother’s ID reinstated so she could vote in November, Klincewicz said.

Another ID-less elderly voter in Pennsylvania attracted attention on Twitter yesterday after his son, Jim Cramer of CNBC’s Mad Money, tweeted about their problems getting access to the right documents. The state is also feeling the burden, as the State Department estimates they have spent about $100,000 issuing free IDs to low-income residents.

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court will hold a hearing addressing the constitutionality of the law on Thursday at 9:30 am after a lower court upheld the law based on a flimsy precedent from 1868 which warned against letting “rogues and strumpets” and “wandering Arabs” vote. Courts have already blocked similar laws in Texas and Wisconsin, while South Carolina’s ID requirement is currently under review.

Wasting time, money, and hundreds of thousands to millions of US Citizens votes to fix a "problem" that doesn't exist.

 

[genjiZERO]

Trying to be a bit sarcastic, as that is the charge people make when they suggest that that a valid ID should be required to vote in the US.... But I guess it didn't carry over well across international borders, since to WorriedCitizen, it makes perfect sense to require ID, as they do in many parts of the world without any problems.... The system we have designed here with motor voter/same day registration/no ID/early voting/absentee voting abuse/etc. makes it far to easy to commit fraud. I'm all with you WorriedCitizen.

I say, make most voting take place on weekends or make them holidays, require photo ID to register and vote, make the ID free, and you must register at least 45 days before voting. I want it easy to actually vote on election day, but make sure you are who you say you are and you live where you say you live when you do vote.

Vote fraud is real, it takes place on both sides, and it needs to stop.

Dude, it sounds like you are talking out of both sides of your mouth....

Anyway, [edit: link fixed]

http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/policy_brief_on_the_truth_about_voter_fraud/

tl;dr

* Fraud by individual voters is both irrational and extremely rare.
* Many vivid anecdotes of purported voter fraud have been proven false or do not demonstrate fraud.
* Voter fraud is often conflated with other forms of election misconduct.
* Raising the unsubstantiated specter of mass voter fraud suits a particular policy agenda.
* Claims of voter fraud should be carefully tested before they become the basis for action.

 

[FyreWulff]

So in the past you could just vote without proof of your identity? That sounds pretty shady.

No, you have to give them your name. So for someone to pull off a successful vote, they'd have to pick a name of a person who hasn't already voted or won't come in later to vote. The ruse would be up fairly quick. We can also easily compare votes cast with the actual population of a district and the demographics to detect fraud.

It's a solution looking for a problem that's already solved. Photo IDs are easily forgeable.

 

[Nobody Important]

So you can use NRA cards, but not Student ID or Veteran Cards?

I don't know about other states, but in Ohio, a Military ID card, even if it doesn't have a name or address, is a valid form of ID as long as the Precinct Election Official can determine that it belongs to the individuals who is presenting it.

Voter ID laws are only to suppress minority voting in the US, there is absolutely no evidence in the US that democrats, their supporters, and their constituents have ever committed vote fraud in this country....

Voter ID requirements, in Ohio, have nothing to do with Absentee voting. The ID requirements are different. Passing stricter laws would do nothing to prevent such attempts.

 

[MidnightRider]

I'm all for Voter ID Laws.

I don't like the fact that dead people can vote for either side.

 

[Hawkian]

I'm all for Voter ID Laws.

I don't like the fact that dead people can vote for either side.

in that case I have some good news for you

 

[FyreWulff]

I'm all for Voter ID Laws.

I don't like the fact that dead people can vote for either side.

Yeah, because photo IDs indicate if the person is dead or not

"I'm sorry sir. This photo ID says you're dead. We can't let you vote."

 

[kehs]

Veterans can use their fucking veteran ID?

Fucking hell.

 

[Alucrid]

I'm all for Voter ID Laws.

I don't like the fact that dead people can vote for either side.

Yeah, because this is the only way that electoral fraud occurs.

 

[Zophar]

The amount of bullshit and ignorance being thrown around in this thread only proves how vital videos like this are. Keep up the good work, Sarah.

 

[MidnightRider]

Yeah, because photo IDs indicate if the person is dead or not

"I'm sorry sir. This photo ID says you're dead. We can't let you vote."

photo doesn't match. no can do.

look like your 24.... id says born 1954.

EDIT****

Snip. Don't feel like arguing.

 

[Alucrid]

photo doesn't match. no can do.

look like your 24.... id says born 1954.

EDIT****

I'll never understand why Libs are so against it. Are they scared they can't win straight up? You already have to show your ID for tons of things in this country? What is one more?

You're not too smart, are you?

 

[MidnightRider]

You're not too smart, are you?

No sir. Pretty dumb.

 

[Zophar]

photo doesn't match. no can do.

look like your 24.... id says born 1954.

EDIT****

I'll never understand why Libs are so against it. Are they scared they can't win straight up? You already have to show your ID for tons of things in this country? What is one more?

Prove that voter fraud is an actual, legitimate problem before risking disenfranchisement.

Why are conservatives so for it? Are they scared they can't win straight up? You don't have to use your ID to exercise so many of your basic civil rights, why should we require one for this?

 

[Zhengi]

She doesn't make a single good point at all.

 

[MidnightRider]

Prove that voter fraud is an actual, legitimate problem before risking disenfranchisement.

Why are conservatives so for it? Are they scared they can't win straight up? You don't have to use your ID to exercise so many of your basic civil rights, why should we require one for this?

Please edit the post you quoted. I don't feel like having an arguement over it. We will never see each others side on this. But I would like to point out that you seem to be okay with cheating by saying that.

 

[Zophar]

Please edit the post you quoted. I don't feel like having an arguement over it. We will never see each others side on this. But I would like to point out that you seem to be okay with cheating by saying that.

No, you just don't want to recognize that your position is untenable. Prove that cheating happens. Prove that no voter ID = cheating. I dare you.

 

[sonicfan]

Ugh. Facts?

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/08/25/State/Report__Many_are_vote.shtml

http://washingtonexaminer.com/york-...n-by-312-ballots/article/2504163#.UFyK42JTAmU

http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2011/10/24/an-about-face-by-an-opponent-of-voter-id-laws/

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/26/2966653/absentee-vote-fraud-destroying.html


http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20120901/NEWS/120839929?template=printart



http://www.wlky.com/news/politics/N.../16593866/-/34kwm5/-/index.html#ixzz26UG9OUoe


http://www.fox16.com/news/local/sto...o-election-charge/qjc8PtXwfkC8frDCgwLNrg.cspx

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/new...ticles/cfn/2012/9/2/derrick_henry_campai.html


http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nake...ballot-fraud-investigation.html#storylink=cpy


http://nation.foxnews.com/voter-fra...california-union-man-voted-wi-recall-election


http://nation.foxnews.com/naacp/2011/07/29/naacp-state-leader-sent-prison-voter-fraud



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...0ff9b1e-fb73-11e1-b2af-1f7d12fe907a_blog.html


http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/04/2932194/cabrera-was-fixture-of-hialeah.html


http://www.wapt.com/news/central-mi...tion/-/9156912/15665240/-/o8ygmi/-/index.html


http://www.azcentral.com/community/...right-quits.html?nclick_check=1#ixzz22A42GOnC


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/25/drug-money-funds-voter-fraud-in-kentucky/


http://www.wvmetronews.com/news.cfm?func=displayfullstory&storyid=53937


http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S2676622.shtml?cat=504


http://www.cleveland.com/countyincrisis/index.ssf/2012/06/former_cuyahoga_county_employe.html

http://www.indystar.com/article/201...ayor-faces-voter-fraud-charges?nclick_check=1


http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2012/apr/22/tdmain01-va-investigates-voter-fraud-ar-1859666/


http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/03/07/3075256/politician-charged-in-voter-fraud.html


http://www.nmpolitics.net/index/2012/03/two-more-charged-in-sunland-park-voter-fraud-scheme/


http://articles.boston.com/2012-02-...d-marlborough-man-absentee-ballot-application


http://www.nbc-2.com/story/16662854/2012/05/07/nbc2-investigates-voter-fraud


http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/11/absentee_ballot_fraud_could_de.php


http://www.wctv.tv/news/headlines/Madison_County_Officials_Arrested_for_Voter_Fraud_133032448.html


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/02/4-indiana-dems-charged-with-election-fraud-in-2008/

I'm tired of looking, I could go on and on...

 

[genjiZERO]

Please edit the post you quoted. I don't feel like having an arguement over it. We will never see each others side on this. But I would like to point out that you seem to be okay with cheating by saying that.

you should read the article from nyu law i posted before

I'm tired of looking, I could go on and on...

Those aren't facts. They're articles from news outlets. Facts, are studies like I posted from NYU Law.

 

[Zaptruder]

Please edit the post you quoted. I don't feel like having an arguement over it. We will never see each others side on this. But I would like to point out that you seem to be okay with cheating by saying that.

I would say that the cognitive dissonance is astounding.

But it's really not. It's par the course for the campaign of crazy that you guys have been riding.

 

[LaserBuddha]

Please edit the post you quoted. I don't feel like having an arguement over it. We will never see each others side on this. But I would like to point out that you seem to be okay with cheating by saying that.

There are no sides to it, there are facts and lies.

The fact is that voter fraud is a negligible problem, and that this is being proposed because the people who are too poor or otherwise unable to get an ID easily are most likely going to vote Democrat.

Your "side" assumes a non-existent problem with voter fraud. It is based on nothing.

 

[MidnightRider]

No, you just don't want to recognize that your position is untenable. Prove that cheating happens. Prove that no voter ID = cheating. I dare you.

http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/23/t...viction-makes-acorn’s-2010-total-at-least-15/
http://visiontoamerica.com/7144/video-proof-dead-people-allowed-to-vote-in-nh-primary/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPkYV8GUzuo
http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

A quick google search returned that. A number of people from ACORN have been in PRISON for voter id fraud. Is that proof enough for you?

You and I both know there are people out there that are voting for dead people.

 

[Zhengi]

you should read the article from nyu law i posted before




Those aren't facts. They're articles from news outlets. Facts, are studies like I posted from NYU Law.

Can you check your link? It leads to an article about a Mississippi NAACP leader who committed voter fraud. I'm interested in reading that study. Thanks.

 

[Zophar]

http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/23/t...viction-makes-acorn’s-2010-total-at-least-15/
http://visiontoamerica.com/7144/video-proof-dead-people-allowed-to-vote-in-nh-primary/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPkYV8GUzuo
http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

A quick google search returned that. A number of people from ACORN have been in PRISON for voter id fraud. Is that proof enough for you?

You and I both know there are people out there that are voting for dead people.

it must suck living in a non-temporal reality where time stopped in 2010:

http://www.connecticutcriminaldefen...t-acorn-found-not-guilty-of-voter-fraud.shtml
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2009/12/acorn-review-finds-acorn-not-g.html

Seriously. Keep up with shit. ACORN was acquitted of all charges. Learn your shit.

edit: LOL James O'Keefe. Seems you don't understand how voter registration works, and neither does he.

 

[genjiZERO]

Can you check your link? It leads to an article about a Mississippi NAACP leader who committed voter fraud. I'm interested in reading that study. Thanks.

hoopsies

http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/policy_brief_on_the_truth_about_voter_fraud/

 

[kehs]

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/08/25/State/Report__Many_are_vote.shtml

http://washingtonexaminer.com/york-...n-by-312-ballots/article/2504163#.UFyK42JTAmU

http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2011/10/24/an-about-face-by-an-opponent-of-voter-id-laws/

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/26/2966653/absentee-vote-fraud-destroying.html


http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20120901/NEWS/120839929?template=printart



http://www.wlky.com/news/politics/N.../16593866/-/34kwm5/-/index.html#ixzz26UG9OUoe


http://www.fox16.com/news/local/sto...o-election-charge/qjc8PtXwfkC8frDCgwLNrg.cspx

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/new...ticles/cfn/2012/9/2/derrick_henry_campai.html


http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nake...ballot-fraud-investigation.html#storylink=cpy


http://nation.foxnews.com/voter-fra...california-union-man-voted-wi-recall-election


http://nation.foxnews.com/naacp/2011/07/29/naacp-state-leader-sent-prison-voter-fraud



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...0ff9b1e-fb73-11e1-b2af-1f7d12fe907a_blog.html


http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/04/2932194/cabrera-was-fixture-of-hialeah.html


http://www.wapt.com/news/central-mi...tion/-/9156912/15665240/-/o8ygmi/-/index.html


http://www.azcentral.com/community/...right-quits.html?nclick_check=1#ixzz22A42GOnC


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/25/drug-money-funds-voter-fraud-in-kentucky/


http://www.wvmetronews.com/news.cfm?func=displayfullstory&storyid=53937


http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S2676622.shtml?cat=504


http://www.cleveland.com/countyincrisis/index.ssf/2012/06/former_cuyahoga_county_employe.html

http://www.indystar.com/article/201...ayor-faces-voter-fraud-charges?nclick_check=1


http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2012/apr/22/tdmain01-va-investigates-voter-fraud-ar-1859666/


http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/03/07/3075256/politician-charged-in-voter-fraud.html


http://www.nmpolitics.net/index/2012/03/two-more-charged-in-sunland-park-voter-fraud-scheme/


http://articles.boston.com/2012-02-...d-marlborough-man-absentee-ballot-application


http://www.nbc-2.com/story/16662854/2012/05/07/nbc2-investigates-voter-fraud


http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/11/absentee_ballot_fraud_could_de.php


http://www.wctv.tv/news/headlines/Madison_County_Officials_Arrested_for_Voter_Fraud_133032448.html


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/02/4-indiana-dems-charged-with-election-fraud-in-2008/

I'm tired of looking, I could go on and on...

You probably shouldn't post opinion-ed pieces when someone asks you about facts.

Just sayin'

 

[la flama blanca]

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/08/25/State/Report__Many_are_vote.shtml

http://washingtonexaminer.com/york-...n-by-312-ballots/article/2504163#.UFyK42JTAmU

http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2011/10/24/an-about-face-by-an-opponent-of-voter-id-laws/

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/26/2966653/absentee-vote-fraud-destroying.html


http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20120901/NEWS/120839929?template=printart



http://www.wlky.com/news/politics/N.../16593866/-/34kwm5/-/index.html#ixzz26UG9OUoe


http://www.fox16.com/news/local/sto...o-election-charge/qjc8PtXwfkC8frDCgwLNrg.cspx

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/new...ticles/cfn/2012/9/2/derrick_henry_campai.html


http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nake...ballot-fraud-investigation.html#storylink=cpy


http://nation.foxnews.com/voter-fra...california-union-man-voted-wi-recall-election


http://nation.foxnews.com/naacp/2011/07/29/naacp-state-leader-sent-prison-voter-fraud



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...0ff9b1e-fb73-11e1-b2af-1f7d12fe907a_blog.html


http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/04/2932194/cabrera-was-fixture-of-hialeah.html


http://www.wapt.com/news/central-mi...tion/-/9156912/15665240/-/o8ygmi/-/index.html


http://www.azcentral.com/community/...right-quits.html?nclick_check=1#ixzz22A42GOnC


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/25/drug-money-funds-voter-fraud-in-kentucky/


http://www.wvmetronews.com/news.cfm?func=displayfullstory&storyid=53937


http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S2676622.shtml?cat=504


http://www.cleveland.com/countyincrisis/index.ssf/2012/06/former_cuyahoga_county_employe.html

http://www.indystar.com/article/201...ayor-faces-voter-fraud-charges?nclick_check=1


http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2012/apr/22/tdmain01-va-investigates-voter-fraud-ar-1859666/


http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/03/07/3075256/politician-charged-in-voter-fraud.html


http://www.nmpolitics.net/index/2012/03/two-more-charged-in-sunland-park-voter-fraud-scheme/


http://articles.boston.com/2012-02-...d-marlborough-man-absentee-ballot-application


http://www.nbc-2.com/story/16662854/2012/05/07/nbc2-investigates-voter-fraud


http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/11/absentee_ballot_fraud_could_de.php


http://www.wctv.tv/news/headlines/Madison_County_Officials_Arrested_for_Voter_Fraud_133032448.html


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/02/4-indiana-dems-charged-with-election-fraud-in-2008/

I'm tired of looking, I could go on and on...

LOL. No words.

 

[FyreWulff]

photo doesn't match. no can do.

look like your 24.... id says born 1954.

EDIT****

Snip. Don't feel like arguing.

Yeah, because makeup and the ability to change the photo on a photo ID don't exist

 

[Atilac]

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/08/25/State/Report__Many_are_vote.shtml

http://washingtonexaminer.com/york-...n-by-312-ballots/article/2504163#.UFyK42JTAmU

http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2011/10/24/an-about-face-by-an-opponent-of-voter-id-laws/

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/26/2966653/absentee-vote-fraud-destroying.html


http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20120901/NEWS/120839929?template=printart



http://www.wlky.com/news/politics/N.../16593866/-/34kwm5/-/index.html#ixzz26UG9OUoe


http://www.fox16.com/news/local/sto...o-election-charge/qjc8PtXwfkC8frDCgwLNrg.cspx

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/new...ticles/cfn/2012/9/2/derrick_henry_campai.html


http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nake...ballot-fraud-investigation.html#storylink=cpy


http://nation.foxnews.com/voter-fra...california-union-man-voted-wi-recall-election


http://nation.foxnews.com/naacp/2011/07/29/naacp-state-leader-sent-prison-voter-fraud



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...0ff9b1e-fb73-11e1-b2af-1f7d12fe907a_blog.html


http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/04/2932194/cabrera-was-fixture-of-hialeah.html


http://www.wapt.com/news/central-mi...tion/-/9156912/15665240/-/o8ygmi/-/index.html


http://www.azcentral.com/community/...right-quits.html?nclick_check=1#ixzz22A42GOnC


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/25/drug-money-funds-voter-fraud-in-kentucky/


http://www.wvmetronews.com/news.cfm?func=displayfullstory&storyid=53937


http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S2676622.shtml?cat=504


http://www.cleveland.com/countyincrisis/index.ssf/2012/06/former_cuyahoga_county_employe.html

http://www.indystar.com/article/201...ayor-faces-voter-fraud-charges?nclick_check=1


http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2012/apr/22/tdmain01-va-investigates-voter-fraud-ar-1859666/


http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/03/07/3075256/politician-charged-in-voter-fraud.html


http://www.nmpolitics.net/index/2012/03/two-more-charged-in-sunland-park-voter-fraud-scheme/


http://articles.boston.com/2012-02-...d-marlborough-man-absentee-ballot-application


http://www.nbc-2.com/story/16662854/2012/05/07/nbc2-investigates-voter-fraud


http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/11/absentee_ballot_fraud_could_de.php


http://www.wctv.tv/news/headlines/Madison_County_Officials_Arrested_for_Voter_Fraud_133032448.html


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/02/4-indiana-dems-charged-with-election-fraud-in-2008/

I'm tired of looking, I could go on and on...

Maybe you should seek factual sources and not opinion pieces. Like this 5 year study that was done by the Bush administration

It's cute that you're trying though.

 

[verbum]

How about us zombies? We're undead. We have no money though. Will trade meat for cash if interested.

 

[José Mourinho]

I don't know about the US but some of those rules are the same in the UK and seem perfectly reasonable. Can't use your National Insurance card because it simply has your number and states on it, "this is not proof of identity". You basically need a drivers licence or passport. Since people who don't drive wont have a licence, they can apply for a provisional learners licence, which any learner must have. But this could be applied for all the same purely for ID purposes.

And genuine question since I'm not up to scratch on the US politics. Is the republican guy who mentions how these factors will help their cause. Is that because it actually was designed to, as the video suggests? Or is it simply a side effect so to speak?

 

[Ri'Orius]

...don't the elderly tend to vote Republican?

Students, minorities and the poor, sure, but... the elderly?

 

[genjiZERO]

I don't know about the US but some of those rules are the same in the UK and seem perfectly reasonable. Can't use your National Insurance card because it simply has your number and states on it, "this is not proof of identity". You basically need a drivers licence or passport. Since people who don't drive wont have a licence, they can apply for a provisional learners licence, which any learner must have. But this could be applied for all the same purely for ID purposes.

And genuine question since I'm not up to scratch on the US politics. Is the republican guy who mentions how these factors will help their cause. Is that because it actually was designed to, as the video suggests? Or is it simply a side effect so to speak?

Voting is tricky in the US because you have a constitutional right to vote. Consequently, restrictions on voting may violate that, or at least are arguably so. The evidence suggests that "voter fraud" is a bogyman hyped up by the media and politicians. Am I sure the actual intent of Conservatives who are in favor of voter ID laws are to suppress Democratic voters? No, but then again I've never met a politician that wasn't absolutely cut throat so I wouldn't put it past them.

 

[speedline]

I don't know about the US but some of those rules are the same in the UK and seem perfectly reasonable. Can't use your National Insurance card because it simply has your number and states on it, "this is not proof of identity". You basically need a drivers licence or passport. Since people who don't drive wont have a licence, they can apply for a provisional learners licence, which any learner must have. But this could be applied for all the same purely for ID purposes.

And genuine question since I'm not up to scratch on the US politics. Is the republican guy who mentions how these factors will help their cause. Is that because it actually was designed to, as the video suggests? Or is it simply a side effect so to speak?

The democrats are saying the poor people can't either afford to pay $10 (or whatever) for an ID card, or they don't have a way to drive down to the place to get one. The real reason is that Democrats get the votes of people who are here illegally, people who are in prison, and even dead people have been found to vote-- this law is trying to stop that fraud and is needed. ACORN was an organization that helped Obama gain votes by defrauding the system in countless ways including these.

 

[genjiZERO]

The democrats are saying the poor people can't either afford to pay $10 (or whatever) for an ID card, or they don't have a way to drive down to the place to get one. The real reason is that Democrats get the votes of people who are here illegally, people who are in prison, and even dead people have been found to vote-- this law is trying to stop that fraud and is needed. ACORN was an organization that helped Obama gain votes by defrauding the system in countless ways including these.

Do you have evidence to support this contention? Like a study? A news report about a handful of people using old drivers licenses isn't a study. A study uses numbers and statistics and is about demographics.

 

[José Mourinho]

http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/23/t...viction-makes-acorn’s-2010-total-at-least-15/
http://visiontoamerica.com/7144/video-proof-dead-people-allowed-to-vote-in-nh-primary/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPkYV8GUzuo
http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

A quick google search returned that. A number of people from ACORN have been in PRISON for voter id fraud. Is that proof enough for you?

You and I both know there are people out there that are voting for dead people.

But single votes are unlikely to have much effect. That's to say, unless these fraudsters are voting on behalf of thousands if not more dead people, they are unlikely to make even the slightest dent.

Your whole street could probably not bother to turn out for the vote and not change the outcome, so think about how many false votes would have to pass for this to be a real problem.

 

[DarthWoo]

Did she mention Acorn? That is the very definition of voter fraud.

Voter REGISTRATION fraud, not voter fraud. Big difference, and no level of voter ID law would have done anything about that.

Voter ID laws are only to suppress minority voting in the US, there is absolutely no evidence in the US that democrats, their supporters, and their constituents have ever committed vote fraud in this country....

Uh huh. Tell me again how voter ID laws that pertain to in-person voting stop fraudulent casting of absentee ballots.

 

[Perspicacity]

The democrats are saying the poor people can't either afford to pay $10 (or whatever) for an ID card, or they don't have a way to drive down to the place to get one. The real reason is that Democrats get the votes of people who are here illegally, people who are in prison, and even dead people have been found to vote-- this law is trying to stop that fraud and is needed. ACORN was an organization that helped Obama gain votes by defrauding the system in countless ways including these.

This sounds like a huge problem! Can you point me in the direction of some factual evidence so I can further read about this issue?

 

[DarthWoo]

The democrats are saying the poor people can't either afford to pay $10 (or whatever) for an ID card, or they don't have a way to drive down to the place to get one. The real reason is that Democrats get the votes of people who are here illegally, people who are in prison, and even dead people have been found to vote-- this law is trying to stop that fraud and is needed. ACORN was an organization that helped Obama gain votes by defrauding the system in countless ways including these.

$10-20 is about how much the poll taxes of the Jim Crow era were, adjusted for today's inflation. If all those alleged issues are such a problem, then Pennsylvania state officials sure weren't trying very hard to prove it. As I mentioned just before, ACORN committed voter registration fraud, which would only put more money in the pockets of the people collecting registrations, and had nothing to do with actual in-person voter fraud.

 

[Shake Appeal]

I love GAF in part because it's the only messageboard I post on where there are legitimate, credulous conspiracy theorists.

 

[dmshaposv]

Closed the tab when she said she's Jewish.

Why does she always do that?
In every bit, show, appearance, speech, etc. she has to remind us.

Its the nose, isn't it?

 

[MidnightRider]

But single votes are unlikely to have much effect.

Florida. 2004?

 

[genjiZERO]

Florida. 2004?

Again.... where's the evidence?

You seem to be making this assertion that the benefit of requiting voting IDs to prevent dead people and illegals from voting outweighs the costs of the burdens of acquiring voter IDs and the possibility of being turned away because of lack of knowledge/inability to comply with the law. That's quite an assertion. It would be nice if you could back it up.

 

[arglebargle]

Voter REGISTRATION fraud, not voter fraud. Big difference, and no level of voter ID law would have done anything about that.



Uh huh. Tell me again how voter ID laws that pertain to in-person voting stop fraudulent casting of absentee ballots.

i was just about to say that about registration fraud, glad someone beat me to it. a lot of people who complain about ACORN are actually thinking about this, which does not result in fraudulent votes being cast. to me it seems like ACORN was incentivizing their employees and volunteers to get registrations so they just registered mickey mouse so they could be done for the day.

europeans: we have a history of disenfranchising minorities (especially blacks) in this country that has resulted in a lot of laws about what the requirements can be for voting. in the past, various jurisdictions have instituted "reading" tests that only blacks had to take and poll taxes minorities wouldnt be able to afford. all of this has since been found unconstitutional. part of the problem is that since getting a drivers license or whatever in the us costs money, the question is whether the requirement to have one to vote counts as a poll tax. even if you could get some kind of free id, does the time and effort it takes count as a sort of de facto poll tax?

in general, i could see a need for voter id laws if there was any evidence of widespread, systematic fraud that voter id laws would actually prevent. as it is, it seems like the laws are designed as a disenfranchisement mechanism. incidentally, slate did a piece arguing that while we should all be against voter id laws, they may not actually help republicans as much as republicans seem to think.

and that rep is delusional if he thinks romney is winning PA.