Survivor: Philippines |OT| Return of the Cart-Offs

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People are making too big of a deal about the cookie response. I'm mean who cares.

I know man! Right! Angie has nice boobs, and as long as she's on screen I have some eye candy to watch and live through vicariously via another tribe member while Russell's tribe continues it's downward spiral!

*highfive*
 
I know man! Right! Angie has nice boobs, and as long as she's on screen I have some eye candy to watch and live through vicariously via another tribe member while Russell's tribe continues it's downward spiral!

*highfive*

Angie is great to look at, but she's starting to remind me of Kat from last season. Although the "cookies" response wouldn't have been bad if she followed it up with something like "yeah, I don't think anything needs changing we just need to step it up in challenges" or anything like that.

Also the continuous trainwreck of Skupin hurting himself in every way possible is starting to become hilarious.
 
What the fuck do you do to bleed from the face? Was he rubbing a platform with his cheeks?



They've only got Malcolm and Angie to carry them. Russell still isn't much in a challenge.

Angie isn't carrying anything in a challenge. So far we know that she has no stamina at all and is bad at puzzles
 
Angie is great to look at, but she's starting to remind me of Kat from last season. Although the "cookies" response wouldn't have been bad if she followed it up with something like "yeah, I don't think anything needs changing we just need to step it up in challenges" or anything like that.

Also the continuous trainwreck of Skupin hurting himself in every way possible is starting to become hilarious.

No way she's as dumb as Kat. The rice buckets aren't as dumb as Kat. The only person who comes close (not counting Erik, the guy who was guilted into giving up immunity, since he was more manipulatable than dumb) is Ralph, the extraordinarily hairy redneck farmer who couldn't spell.
 
I thought Angie ran track in school or something? I'll admit to semi-watching though. Good luck getting the W, Malcolm.

She said in the first challenge she wanted to run because she did track, yeah.

I guess running and running while pulling a sled is two different things.
 
The sex therapist made the choice, so it's her, the booby trap, and the cookie snuggler. Should be an obvious outcome if they can't win again.
I don't sense this show has the same production manipulation as other programs, but they must've been really hoping for another tribe to take a hit at this point.
 
The sex therapist made the choice, so it's her, the booby trap, and the cookie snuggler. Should be an obvious outcome if they can't win again.
I don't sense this show has the same production manipulation as other programs, but they must've been really hoping for another tribe to take a hit at this point.

Yeah, not sure why she wouldn't get out Angie now while she could. Malcolm is going to attach himself to the pretty blonde over her.
 
The sex therapist made the choice, so it's her, the booby trap, and the cookie snuggler. Should be an obvious outcome if they can't win again.
I don't sense this show has the same production manipulation as other programs, but they must've been really hoping for another tribe to take a hit at this point.

Roxy actually had four votes against her.
 
If only I could have Angie's cookies.

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Is the season good so far?

the big brother finale burnt me so bad I've been watching The Challenge instead.

Yes. It's been pretty decent. The vets are dictating things, and the games hasn't been manipulated. I need to catch up with the Challenge. Is it Wednesdays this season?
 
Yes. It's been pretty decent. The vets are dictating things, and the games hasn't been manipulated. I need to catch up with the Challenge. Is it Wednesdays this season?

Yeah, weds.

The first episode was so satisfying, and none of those annoying toothbrush rapist are on the show.
 
No way she's as dumb as Kat. The rice buckets aren't as dumb as Kat. The only person who comes close (not counting Erik, the guy who was guilted into giving up immunity, since he was more manipulatable than dumb) is Ralph, the extraordinarily hairy redneck farmer who couldn't spell.
Erik was hilarious. Ice cream scooper extraordinaire.
Parvati and her witch's coven completely put their hex on him.
Wouldn't mind seeing him play again to see if the puppet strings come along for the ride and whether he still scoops ice cream for a living.
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Liking the season so far, not a fan of returning players when there's only a few of them though. Go all in or let the new people play properly. At least it isn't a Hantz family reunion with Boston Robs being the second tribe.

I don't really get why the therapist would choose Angie over Roxy, it looked pretty clear that Russell isn't nearly as close to Roxy as Malcolm is to Angie. She'll get screwed easily now, which is a shame since she's probably the smartest person so far in the game.
 
The only drawback to a 3-tribe season over a 2-tribe season in my mind is that sometimes the editing tendencies stick out like a sore thumb.

The fact that we know absolutely nothing about the dynamics of Kalabaw in 2 1/2 hours of airtime apart from Penner having immunity and Jeff Kent's busted up leg does not bode well for any of their long-term chances in the game.

Meanwhile, we've been given oodles of insight into Tandang when they haven't so much as sniffed tribal council.

RC and Abi-Maria formed a core alliance on Day 1 and then roped in their tribe meathead (Pete) and injury-prone Skupin to form a majority. They all want Lisa gone and she's summarily given 15 minutes of confessionals on whether she can handle the game or not. Meanwhile, Abi-Maria is paranoid about RC's closeness to Skupin and is openly threatening to cut her throat.

None of this is by accident. Clearly the yellow tribe is going to be shaping the outcome of this game. Unless Artis gets a freak medevac I don't see them losing bodies any time soon.
 
I don't really get why the therapist would choose Angie over Roxy, it looked pretty clear that Russell isn't nearly as close to Roxy as Malcolm is to Angie. She'll get screwed easily now, which is a shame since she's probably the smartest person so far in the game.

I'm assuming that in her mind, it wasn't really a choice between Russell/Roxy and Malcolm/Angie. Keep in mind that she and Malcolm had already established a working relationship, and she thinks at this point that he is a rational actor (at least somewhat). It's not unreasonable for her to assume that he would be willing to act in his own best interest if it meant cutting Angie loose at some point in the future.

Why sever her relationship with Malcolm in order to curry favor with Russell/Roxy? She admitted she couldn't trust Roxy, and she was almost certainly right.

And if all of the above is an incorrect read on the situation, then it really comes down to the fact that being the third wheel of a stable twosome is better than being the third wheel of an unstable one.
 
Sooo one week until we have a tribe mixup into two tribes for all of two-three weeks? Or are they going to actually try to carry out three tribes until merge? I can't see how they would do that though.

I liked how Roxie tried to excuse her doing nothing around the camp. I would almost have to say "Cookies" is one of the dumbest answers ever spoken at tribal, but then I remember half the things Phillip or Tarzan said. Or the one dude going off about him thinking Sash was gay. Cookies is up there though.
 
Russell hurt himself more than Denise with that vote. Denise, as Mob pointed out, is now in a stable threesome. Russell has no one.

The only drawback to a 3-tribe season over a 2-tribe season in my mind is that sometimes the editing tendencies stick out like a sore thumb.

The fact that we know absolutely nothing about the dynamics of Kalabaw in 2 1/2 hours of airtime apart from Penner having immunity and Jeff Kent's busted up leg does not bode well for any of their long-term chances in the game.

Meanwhile, we've been given oodles of insight into Tandang when they haven't so much as sniffed tribal council.

RC and Abi-Maria formed a core alliance on Day 1 and then roped in their tribe meathead (Pete) and injury-prone Skupin to form a majority. They all want Lisa gone and she's summarily given 15 minutes of confessionals on whether she can handle the game or not. Meanwhile, Abi-Maria is paranoid about RC's closeness to Skupin and is openly threatening to cut her throat.

None of this is by accident. Clearly the yellow tribe is going to be shaping the outcome of this game. Unless Artis gets a freak medevac I don't see them losing bodies any time soon.

I'd like to think that RC is going to go very far. She's the head of her alliance and playing a pretty good game. I did giggle though when Abi-Maria started getting all paranoid about Skupin though. A real test of RC's ability is going to be in her power to rein in Abi-Maria in the long run. Kim from last season kept all the girls in line and eliminated anyone who went rogue (I'm thinking of Kat in particular).
 
I don't sense this show has the same production manipulation as other programs, but they must've been really hoping for another tribe to take a hit at this point.

They can manipulate things a little -- at some point in the last season or two, I read that while they decide on the challenges they'll have during a season before the season begins, they can order them however they want. In other words, for example, if they get down to the individual immunity challenges, and there's someone the producers want to keep around that's really great at physical challenges but terrible at puzzles, if they have both physical challenges and puzzles left they might do the more physical one.

In this case, though, I don't see what advantages the purple tribe has over the other two. With Russell and Malcolm, they look like they should be able to at least beat the red tribe when it comes to challenges, but that's clearly not the case. And apart from the sex therapist, no one on the tribe screams "smart!" to me. With three tribes instead of two, I think there's less of a chance they get decimated, Ulong-style...but at this point I wouldn't be shocked if that happens...
 
I've always thought the biggest opportunity for manipulation was at the tribal councils. Jeff can pick and chose what he wants to bring up. He can also pick and chose who he wants to lean on and who he wants to let off easy. He has more sway than given credit, even more so when the jury comes into play I think. Not saying it really has any affect on outcomes, but I think that's easily the biggest opportunity they have for manipulating the game.
 
Well there's one person who WON'T win, for sure. The blond buff twinky dude. He's had 1 line so far I think, over both episodes.
 
Enjoyable start.

A good handful of interesting people that I enjoy seeing. 3 tribes is a nice twist... but it really does leave some players in the wind as far as getting air time.

And if anyone is wondering (and I can't believe this is even a question) -- Yes, those breasts are very fake.
 
I've always thought the biggest opportunity for manipulation was at the tribal councils. Jeff can pick and chose what he wants to bring up.
That's a good point. It might not effect that particular vote because they've probably already have their minds made up, but Jeff could certainly expose opinions and possible alliances that wouldn't be brought up at camp. It would certainly effect the tribe moving forward, and now that I think about it, he does that a lot.
 
That's a good point. It might not effect that particular vote because they've probably already have their minds made up, but Jeff could certainly expose opinions and possible alliances that wouldn't be brought up at camp. It would certainly effect the tribe moving forward, and now that I think about it, he does that a lot.

He could also choose to lean on one idea and make it seem almost unreasonable/reasonable. He didn't do it last night, but he could have easily brought up how the rain and cold could very reasonably cause two people to huddle for warmth and that it is done in basically every season of survivor. Instead he focused more on the idea that there could be a relationship.
 
That's a good point. It might not effect that particular vote because they've probably already have their minds made up, but Jeff could certainly expose opinions and possible alliances that wouldn't be brought up at camp. It would certainly effect the tribe moving forward, and now that I think about it, he does that a lot.

It seems like it's gotten worse in recent years, too. He used to just poke and prod at things, but the last couple of seasons it seems like he's actively inserting himself into things. It doesn't seem like it's made a huge difference yet -- as you said, they usually have their minds made up before tribal council -- but at some point, it seems like it could alter the way a game plays out.

Though I guess the counter-argument would be that it hasn't really impacted the game in a significant way, because people have their alliances and strategies set before they go to Tribal Council. Consequently, Probst is just giving voice to what people at home are thinking...maybe? I don't know. I'm starting to come around to the "Probst is a bully" idea...
 
I can't think of any examples off the top of my head, but there's moments in the past when I thought Jeff's questions were a bit pointed.
 
I can't think of any examples off the top of my head, but there's moments in the past when I thought Jeff's questions were a bit pointed.

One that came to mind was the guy who started bashing Sash because he thought he was gay. I couldn't remember if Probst's questioning brought the topic up, but I thought it came out later that Probst didn't like the guy. Or am I confusing that guy with him not liking Colton?

Even if it doesn't change the vote, I think it still changes the direction of the game. If Angie is the next to go from her tribe(if there isn't a mix-up/merge by then) can it be attributed to the fact that he kind of pressed the subject?
 
One that came to mind was the guy who started bashing Sash because he thought he was gay. I couldn't remember if Probst's questioning brought the topic up, but I thought it came out later that Probst didn't like the guy. Or am I confusing that guy with him not liking Colton?

Even if it doesn't change the vote, I think it still changes the direction of the game. If Holly is the next to go from her tribe(if there isn't a mix-up/merge by then) can it be attributed to the fact that he kind of pressed the subject?

Angie? Or am I mixing the cast up?
 
He's a sneaky Jeff isn't he? Just last night with the cookies comment. Jeff could have just moved on, but he went back to it to really emphasize "we've got a dumbass here". He could have switched focus onto Russell or somone else.
Jeff does dictate the whole tribal conference conversation and emphasize some parts more than others.
 
Cookies!!??!
That might be the worst answer to a question in survivor history. God Damn Anige is lucky she is so damn hot. I'm still hoping she stays around for a long long time.
 
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