Novid vs Branduil, clearly.
Fall 2012 Anime |OT| Meet the new world, same as the old world
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Novid vs Branduil, clearly.
I'll concede that there are certain types of scenes that might require 3D models, but I see nothing in the vast majority of the shots in that trailer that requires the use of 3D models, so they might as well use traditional animation for the vast majority of scenes, because it would actually look good.
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R_thanatos
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She is the most open minded ojou-sama i've seen recently ...
I think the Va pictured her perfectly
The animation is not produced in 2D though, so the point is void. It is produced by Sanzigen, which is a CG animation studio. The intent is to make a CG film in 2D style. The fact that some of it doesn't look great is a failing on execution, but the intent is not flawed. This is not a hybrid film where they are choosing what to scenes to use CG for and what scenes to use 2D for.
hosannainexcelsis
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Yeah, I would say a couple scenes in the 009 Re:Cyborg trailer actually do make good use of a 3D camera and environments - flying through the street at 00:56 or the pan at 1:14, for instance. If it had better 3D animators, it would probably have worked out.
I disagree. Intentions can be flawed by not taking into account reality, in this case the reality that their CGI cel-shaded characters are going to look bad and nowhere near the level of decent traditional animation in a majority of scenes.
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Razgriz-Specter
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Honey Boo Boo is the story of the Human Thumb, her daughter and their incredible daily lives!
The more projects studios like Sanzigen work on of this nature, the more they will improve. Revenue and fame generated from having more prolific work will also attract better talent to such studios. This is one reason why I feel very strongly that while we should not give a free pass to bad 3D animation, it should be fair to support the spirit of the work, and give praise when it is earned.
3D animation is not some gimmick offspring industry which is going to break down and go away just because some people don't like it. It's here to stay, and it would better for everyone to be supportive of the growth and optimistic about raising standards with time, rather than be immature and silly about it.
Hey, ahegao Sawa faces and new Nyaruko are good.
But but from the new world!
When you say majority of scenes, does this suggest that you have already seen the movie, and are objectively stating it as such? Is that the reality?
See some of the craziness in the past few pages Cajun.
Dedication Through Light
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Aquarion evol, in the nightmare he wants to smell her, as well as killing amata over and over again all night long, if I remember, need to revisit it.
Ultimadrago
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What's in the box, I wonder.
I'm suggesting that their trailer editors are probably not incompetent and did not deliberately choose the worst scenes to showcase. I think it's fair to judge their work by what they've chosen to show us. It's possible I'm wrong, just not very likely.
I'm not complaining about 3D animation in this case. I'm complaining that they're attempting to ape a different medium which 3D isn't terribly well-suited to ape.
Also, I'm fairly sure our message board posts aren't going to affect to their success in any measurable way.
I'm torn as it has that jank I hate.
Jex
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But but from the new world!
One or two good shows don't make a season!
Honey Boo Boo is the story of the Human Thumb, her daughter and their incredible daily lives!
This is fucked up. I still have no idea what its about but its definitely fucked up.
Looks...like normal animeGAF talk to me.
hosannainexcelsis
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I love traditional 2D animation and hope it never dies, but I certainly am not antagonistic towards 3D. I will give credit to 009 Re:Cyborg for looking better than CG anime has looked in the past, and I certainly hope Sanzigen will continue to improve with experience.
I do think that disappointment in this particular case is very understandable, however, as looking at the trailer you can't help but think how much better much of it would look if it were 2D.
I don't think it is unreasonable to consider that a good portion of the movie will be action set pieces, and not people standing around posing or talking, but giving away all the action pieces in the trailer would be a pretty dumb thing to do.
Another thing to consider: this is a 3D film, as in stereoscopic. I think that was a pretty major practical reason for Kamiyama wanting to do this film in full CG, especially after his post-conversion experience with Solid State Society, which was mostly hand-drawn.
I dunno about that honestly. After all the recent shit Oshii and Kamiyama put out in "2D" under the Production IG label, I wonder if it would make much difference at all.
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Jex
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Yeah, that looks fucking janky. What a Berserk Movie-level disappointment considering the possibilities
To say it looks better than other efforts is to say it looks more like something from 2003 than 2001.
to think that someone got paid for this
Yeah, that looks fucking janky. What a Berserk Movie-level disappointment considering the possibilities
You mean like the possibilities of another Eden of the East movie? Lol.
hosannainexcelsis
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I dunno about that honestly. After all the recent shit Oshii and Kamiyama put out in "2D" under the Production IG label, I wonder if it would make much difference at all.
What "recent shit" are you referring to?
Jex
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You'd be surprised what people get paid to do.
Solid State Society, Eden of the East, Sky Crawlers, Musashi. They all have super annoying pale-zombie-looking character designs, I really can't stand looking at them much, and all the major action is heavily augmented with CG anyway. In fact, the blend just makes stuff stand out more sometimes.
Jex
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Lord no, those were clearly TV episodes copied and pasted into a movie, I'm talking about, well, any other series he's done for Production IG. Moribito and Stand Alone Complex, which are mere TV shows, look better than this.
Solid State Society actually looked worse than the TV show. Maybe he just isn't cut out for directing movies.
Jex
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At the very least Sky Crawlers side-steps this problem by drawing a hard line between CG scenes and 'traditional' scenes.
Oh. I guess I'm undesensitized then.
Jex
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Solid State Society actually looked worse than the TV show. Maybe he just isn't cut out for directing movies.
I don't think that's an unfair assumption.
hosannainexcelsis
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I see. I haven't seen any of those except Solid State Society, which was so long ago that I can't really remember what it looks like.
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Jex
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I understand the Mayans foretold this event long ago.
I'm not saying they look BAD mind you, just that I feel the traditional "big guns" at IG tend to favor this art style on their characters which kinda lends well to CG designs anyway, while not being all that appealing in 2D to begin with. Plus, Kamiyama's movies have all kinda sucked, so this isn't some new low for him, in fact, if it focuses on more action and Sanzigen does a good job, it might even be a more enjoyable movie than his last batch.
Jex
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I don't know about that, even the worst seasons in living memory manage to get scrape through with one good show, so understand that definition every season would be good. Now, five or more good shows? Now we're on to something!
I've actually just finished watching it as the final bit to my GITS week(I burned my entire week watching everything). The CG is a problem throughout the franchise except the first movie. In fact it's a problem with IG as a whole in that they don't use CG properly.
Well, it wouldn't necessarily be impossible to do a stereoscopic film with traditional animation, just look at the Studio 4C and SHAFT Kid Icarus shorts. But really, if he wanted to do 3D that badly, I think he should have chosen an aesthetic more fitting for the medium.
I mean, for a recent example, just look at the .hack//The Movie trailer. The designs have a clear anime feel, but it's shaded and animated in a way that takes advantage of computer-generated animation's strengths. I don't think it's the best-looking thing ever but it sure looks a whole lot better than that 009 Re:Cyborg movie.
Jex
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You're saying Dresden is lazy?
hosannainexcelsis
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Talking about filmmakers at Production I.G. just makes me hope that Okiura has a new project in the works now that Momo is finished.
Innocence does have some rough looking CG in places but I wouldn't say it's a problem because it's one of those rare anime things where CG is necessary due to the amount of three dimensional movement and camerawork.
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