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[Kizer]

Because of how avx ended, I am most interested in what happens to cyclops next. "character assassination" is much more extreme than I would agree with, but he certainly does not look very heroic right now. He is kind of the embodiment of the saying "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". How does he come to terms with himself for the things he did? How do the other mutants feel about him right now? I understand that people don't like it when characters they like or are emotionally invested in end up in situations like this, but it's things like this that allow a character to grow and develop. I certainly hope that Marvel does not change course despite so many people's displeasure of cyclops not being so much of a boyscout anymore. He is still lawful good (notice how his disposition towards his actions change after the fact of avx) and the core of the character is still there. However, lawful good does not mean lawful nice.

That being said, I am really hope Wolverine does not become the leader of the X-men or something like that.

 

[Jedeye Sniv]

Did AvX 12 come out already?

 

[Mafro]

That being said, I am really hope Wolverine does not become the leader of the X-men or something like that.

It sort of looks like it's heading that way already with his school taking in more mutants defecting from Cyclops' side in AvX.

 

[Kizer]

Did AvX 12 come out already?

Please refer to my last few posts in the last page. I got the book early and left a marked spoiler for all of those who want it.

It sort of looks like it's heading that way already with his school taking in more mutants defecting from Cyclops' side in AvX.

I wouldn't like that. Wolverine, as stated several times within his own school series, is never there to run his school. He is a fantastic general and can lead a group in a fight, as shown in X-force, but leader/person with political power he is not. Also, if morality is the name of the game, I find that Wolverine's morals are even more dubious than Cyclops. Cyclops may have been misguided as of late, but he never didn't mean well for the mutants and he took his job very seriously...

 

[Jedeye Sniv]

Please refer to my last few posts in the last page. I got the book early and left a marked spoiler for all of those who want it.



I wouldn't like that. Wolverine, as stated several times within his own school series, is never there to run his school. He is a fantastic general and can lead a group in a fight, as shown in X-force, but leader/person with political power he is not. Also, if morality is the name of the game, I find that Wolverine's morals are even more dubious than Cyclops. Cyclops may have been misguided as of late, but he never didn't mean well for the mutants and he took his job very seriously...

Ah I see torrent plz

I just bought my books for this week and had a flick (swipe) through. Quick thoughts - the art in FF is really nice. The art in Happy is really nice, best Darrick I've ever seen. Guillem March is fucking wasted on Talon - the guy draws cheesecake, put him back on Catwoman where he belongs, he does the best shiny leather and Selina eyes ever. WatXM looks the shit. Batman Inc - how come Burnham has a cover credit?

 

[Kizer]

Ah I see torrent plz

I've never done that, so I am afraid I don't really know how. Sorry, man.

 

[Jedeye Sniv]

I've never done that, so I am afraid I don't really know how. Sorry, man.

Nah I'm just kidding man.

 

[krypt0nian]

Scott Lobdell on seven more books!

The way Lobdell has handled his books, that would be a huge plus on many books.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

how about we give him control of the xmen franchise again

 

[krypt0nian]

how about we give him control of the xmen franchise again

I'm not as down on the X-books as some. There are a few bright lights.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

I'm not as down on the X-books as some. There are a few bright lights.

I'm not necessarily down on them as much as I want to relive 1992 again.

 

[krypt0nian]

I'm not necessarily down on them as much as I want to relive 1992 again.

Heh! Time for a back issue dive! =)

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

You can only read X-Cutioner's Song so many times.

Oh wait you can't....X-Cutioner's Song is awesome.

 

[Jedeye Sniv]

The way Lobdell has handled his books, that would be a huge plus on many books.

Blargh. I've read a lot of his nu52 stuff and it is totally blandsville. He's competent and doesn't make me want to kill things but none of his comics give me that awesome tingle in my comics-balls. His books are the definition of by-the-numbers, and that simply isn't good enough in a medium where you can do ANYTHING. DC really need to get a good stable of brand new voices in their line. Fire everyone over 40!

On a more positive note, WatXM 17. Holy crap that was one of the best issues I've ever read. Charm on top of charm. Doop is now my favourite character. And She Hulk as a roller girl! My lady will be impressed.

 

[Gartooth]

Because of how avx ended, I am most interested in what happens to cyclops next. "character assassination" is much more extreme than I would agree with, but he certainly does not look very heroic right now. He is kind of the embodiment of the saying "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". How does he come to terms with himself for the things he did? How do the other mutants feel about him right now? I understand that people don't like it when characters they like or are emotionally invested in end up in situations like this, but it's things like this that allow a character to grow and develop. I certainly hope that Marvel does not change course despite so many people's displeasure of cyclops not being so much of a boyscout anymore. He is still lawful good (notice how his disposition towards his actions change after the fact of avx) and the core of the character is still there. However, lawful good does not mean lawful nice.

That being said, I am really hope Wolverine does not become the leader of the X-men or something like that.

Considering that Cyke's team has been demonized, it makes sense that whatever mutants are left would go to Wolverine's side.

Spoiler

Not to mention with new mutants popping up everywhere, Wolverine's school will get a lot busier.

 

[krypt0nian]

Blargh. I've read a lot of his nu52 stuff and it is totally blandsville. He's competent and doesn't make me want to kill things but none of his comics give me that awesome tingle in my comics-balls. His books are the definition of by-the-numbers, and that simply isn't good enough in a medium where you can do ANYTHING. DC really need to get a good stable of brand new voices in their line. Fire everyone over 40!

On a more positive note, WatXM 17. Holy crap that was one of the best issues I've ever read. Charm on top of charm. Doop is now my favourite character. And She Hulk as a roller girl! My lady will be impressed.

Blargh. His books haven't been bad yet. His latest Superman issue was one of the best zero ishs easily. But we usually disagree on books so par for the course.

 

[Spike Spiegel]

I'm not necessarily down on them as much as I want to relive 1992 again.

You'll regret it as soon as you relive what happened in 1993.

 

[Jedeye Sniv]

Blargh. His books haven't been bad yet. His latest Superman issue was one of the best zero ishs easily. But we usually disagree on books so par for the course.

As I say, they're certainly not bad, they're just really bland for me. They're knockabout fun but that isnt really something I want to be spending money on. Sometimes TERRIBLE is kinda better than bland even. Like All Star Batman and Robin

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

You'll regret it as soon as you relive what happened in 1993.

I'm pretty alright with 1993 if we're just going by X-Men. The book didn't really start to suck until post Age of Apocalypse in 95 and went downhill from there. Then again, they basically had nowhere to go after AOA.

 

[krypt0nian]

As I say, they're certainly not bad, they're just really bland for me. They're knockabout fun but that isnt really something I want to be spending money on. Sometimes TERRIBLE is kinda better than bland even. Like All Star Batman and Robin

I think knockabout fun is all I read comics for right now so makes sense.

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

Stokoe's artbarf!

I'll start taking your opinion on comic art seriously when you stop admiring human Xerox machines.

When I look at Stokoe's art I can see the traces of artists who influence him, Darrow, Shirow, Hewlett, etc. I don't see Stokoe doing his imitation of any of those artists.

Meanwhile when I look at Bradshaw's art all I see is the funnybook equivalent of Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs. He wants to dress up in Arthur Adams skin and be Arthur Adams so badly, but he'll never be Arthur Adams.

Maybe in 20 years I'll see what he brings to the table.

Even when Arthur Adams started off aping Michael Golden he brought some top tier shit.

Michael Golden

Arthur Adams

And now 30 years later they are two wildly different artists.

Michael Golden

Arthur Adams

To a neophyte, the first time you see this stuff it's some hype shit. To the veteran, you can see this fake motherf*cker is just biting some other artist's shit.

So yeah, while you sit there and trash talk Bachalo, Stokoe, and other - at least they're bringing something original to the table.

Hell Stokoe writes, pencils, inks, and letters his books too. All Bradshaw has to do is copy some Arthur Adams stuff form the turn of the millennium or the 80's. :\

 

[tim1138]

Ah I see torrent plz

I just bought my books for this week and had a flick (swipe) through. Quick thoughts - the art in FF is really nice. The art in Happy is really nice, best Darrick I've ever seen. Guillem March is fucking wasted on Talon - the guy draws cheesecake, put him back on Catwoman where he belongs, he does the best shiny leather and Selina eyes ever. WatXM looks the shit. Batman Inc - how come Burnham has a cover credit?

Burnham cowrote it with Morrison.

 

[CorvoSol]

I'm just glad that

Spoiler

shit for brains gets fucked over and yelled at. I fucking hate Cyclops more than ever.

Here's what bothers me about the conclusion:

Spoiler

1. The inconsistency in blame. How is it Wanda's fault that she suffered a breakdown? No, Hope the reason it's Wanda's fault is that she hasn't FIXED the problem herself. If she can make mutancy go away, why didn't she make it come back? But I'll get to that in a minute. My real problem is this: Where do they get off blaming the Phoenix for any of this? When has Jean ever blamed the Phoenix for what it did when they first joined? Jean had to build fucking homes for all the dead she killed. The M'Kraan Crystal and the Sun-Eating are both things Jean counts as her own. So where does anybody get off saying that the Phoenix is to blame? If Jean can take responsibility for what she did as Dark Phoenix, then Namor, Emma and Scott should all man up and accept that it was their own damn faults.

2. The inconsistency in power, namely in Wanda. If she can make a world FULL of Mutants and a world WITHOUT Mutants why did the Phoenix need to come and restart the species? And if she can send the Phoenix away, why didn't she do that in the first place?

3. No more Phoenix is bullshit. Bring back Jean already, dammit. How do you tell the embodiment of life and death in the universe to piss off and imply that you've made it stop existing?

 

[Kizer]

...I like Clayton Crain.

 

[Kizer]

Here's what bothers me about the conclusion:

Spoiler

1. The inconsistency in blame. How is it Wanda's fault that she suffered a breakdown? No, Hope the reason it's Wanda's fault is that she hasn't FIXED the problem herself. If she can make mutancy go away, why didn't she make it come back? But I'll get to that in a minute. My real problem is this: Where do they get off blaming the Phoenix for any of this? When has Jean ever blamed the Phoenix for what it did when they first joined? Jean had to build fucking homes for all the dead she killed. The M'Kraan Crystal and the Sun-Eating are both things Jean counts as her own. So where does anybody get off saying that the Phoenix is to blame? If Jean can take responsibility for what she did as Dark Phoenix, then Namor, Emma and Scott should all man up and accept that it was their own damn faults.

2. The inconsistency in power, namely in Wanda. If she can make a world FULL of Mutants and a world WITHOUT Mutants why did the Phoenix need to come and restart the species? And if she can send the Phoenix away, why didn't she do that in the first place?

3. No more Phoenix is bullshit. Bring back Jean already, dammit. How do you tell the embodiment of life and death in the universe to piss off and imply that you've made it stop existing?

Well to be fair, Scott did.

Spoiler

He was also willing to accept the blame for everything that happened as the leader as well. Also, I am not sure if Wanda herself could send the phoenix away. It might have only been able to be done with another Wanda (Hope) and perhaps with the host of the phoenix not fighting back?

It's hard to say since I didn't write the story, of course.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

I respect Stroke's work more then I really admire it. IDK, I'm grown tired of the DETAILS EVERYWHERE thing Stroke, Adams, Darrow, and the millions of Darrow/Adams clones out there working at Avatar Comics seem to love. I'm much more drawn to the sleek simplicity of a Samnee panel or the clean expressive beauty of an Alan Davis book(compared to "I'm gonna draw as many of these similar-looking mothafuckas in one splash page as I can so they blend in together like wallpaper" that seem to be George Perez' model).

I would like Clayton Crain more if he stop covering every drawing of his with a layer of dust with the brigthness turned down. Even Ghost Rider riding away on a bike in shrouded in darkness.

 

[Kizer]

I am actually really into how he does his lighting. I think it is phenomenal.

 

[CorvoSol]

Well to be fair, Scott did.

Spoiler

He was also willing to accept the blame for everything that happened as the leader as well. Also, I am not sure if Wanda herself could send the phoenix away. It might have only been able to be done with another Wanda (Hope) and perhaps with the host of the phoenix not fighting back?

It's hard to say since I didn't write the story, of course.

I give him credit for that. Probably the first decent thing he's done all storyline.

 

[Ponn]

Sigh. Not only did Ultimate Spider-man ruin the great Spectacular Spider-Man series, now its had a hand in screwing up the stellar Nova in the comics, fuck.

Our only hope is around the time GoTG movie comes out they get DnA back to do a fuck awesome new Cosmic event.

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

I respect Stroke's work more then I really admire it. IDK, I'm grown tired of the DETAILS EVERYWHERE thing Stroke, Adams, Darrow, and the millions of Darrow/Adams clones out there working at Avatar Comics seem to love. I'm much more drawn to the sleek simplicity of a Samnee panel or the clean expressive beauty of an Alan Davis book(compared to "I'm gonna draw as many of these similar-looking mothafuckas in one splash page as I can so they blend in together like wallpaper" that seem to be George Perez' model).

I can appreciate that view.

I can't vouch for Stokoe's work outside of Godzilla, and after reading some interviews with him it explains why it works so well. He's wanted to work on Godzilla since he was five years old. That's some hype shit there.

It's the kaiju equivalent of the kid that grows up wanting to draw Spiderman or Wolverine. It's really quite rare in the industry. A lot of dudes just do this for a paycheck and jump around to where they're needed. Which is sort of the nature of the industry, and that's a shame; but hey - Ryan Stegman can only make so much money drawing She-Hulk; but can make so much more on whatever the hell else he's moved onto.

Totally agree on the Avatar artists. Juan Jose Rip-Off and others do the detail and the minutia, but the art itself is stiff and lifeless. I had to stop reading Neonomicon because Jacen Burrows simply is not the guy for Lovecraftian madness. That's a book for someone like Guy Davis.

Also agree on George Perez. I admire his chops and he's a master storyteller, but his art is kind of boring to look at. :\

Unless it's Starfire. He can draw Starfire all day for free and I'm there. :3

I would like Clayton Crain more if he stop covering every drawing of his with a layer of dust with the brigthness turned down. Even Ghost Rider riding away on a bike in shrouded in darkness.

Crain is like What If Todd McFarlane used an Airbrush?

Not bad, but it's too glossy looking for me.

Received the Vampirella Masters vol.4 today! Alan Davis, Arthur Adams, Tim Sale, Gary Frank, Bruce Timm, Mark Texeira - I SAID GOD DAMN, SON! Strong Kung-Fu!

 

[Supermanisdead]

I'm not necessarily down on them as much as I want to relive 1992 again.

aww no man, xmen and uncanny xmen didnt exist from 91-2001. it is a lost decade for those 2 books.

 

[Parallax]

Sigh. Not only did Ultimate Spider-man ruin the great Spectacular Spider-Man series, now its had a hand in screwing up the stellar Nova in the comics, fuck.

Our only hope is around the time GoTG movie comes out they get DnA back to do a fuck awesome new Cosmic event.

I'm pretty sure sam was a decision made before the series. Its loeb were dealing with here.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

aww no man, xmen and uncanny xmen didnt exist from 91-2001. it is a lost decade for those 2 books.

lost decade = the most popular decade for any comic ever?

 

[Supermanisdead]

low quality slop for the masses. somewhere in between the holographic covers and pack in trading cards, there were some real clunkers of stories. everything involving shinobi shaw and the upstarts for one. kwannon, rogue and gambit, omega red. it was just dismal.

age of apocalypse is one of my favourite stories ever though. and i liked that issue where jean grey and iceman go shopping and iceman almost comes out to her.

 

[SpiderJerusalem]

aw man Xcutioner song was the first time I quit comics. I think I only made it 2 or 3 issues in and closed my box haha

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

Shinobi Shaw was actually a Chris Claremont character .

I still maintain 91-95 was great in a big dumb action movie kind of way. They were pretty good at producing entertaining crossovers like X-Cutioner's Song, Fatal Attractions, and AOA.

PAD X-Factor and Alan Davis Excalibur were comics that were great beyond big dumb action movie qualities too. Weapon X was one of the best comics produced in the 90s.

 

[Cth]

RE: AvX 12

Spoiler

Did you mean Colossus instead of Magneto? Colossus is seen on the run in Marvel NOW, and Magneto was helping to fight Cyclops.

No worries if so, just curious.

 

[Supermanisdead]

Yeah, the spinoff series in the 90s were fine. Excalibur, Generation X, X-Force were all really great. Gen X stumbled after Lobdell left, but X-Force got even better when Loeb took over after AoA and was at it's peak when John Francis Moore started writing it during Operation Zero Tolerance. Dat roadtrip arc <3

It was just the 2 main series that were pretty shit. I think they started with a good idea having blue and gold side, but it soon became obvious that blue side was the "cool" ones with Wolverine, Gambit and Rogue on the same team so soon the teams reintegrated and we had a decade of crossover. It was a messy time for those 2.

 

[Parallax]

RE: AvX 12

Spoiler

Did you mean Colossus instead of Magneto? Colossus is seen on the run in Marvel NOW, and Magneto was helping to fight Cyclops.

No worries if so, just curious.

Spoiler

does it show what happened to illyana?

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

I'm more excited for Gillen's "consequences" series than I was for the actual event itself.

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

aw man Xcutioner song was the first time I quit comics. I think I only made it 2 or 3 issues in and closed my box haha

I believe that's where I jumped out of the X-Books as well.

Okay I'm going to be a busy fatty.

Working on commissions.

Going to LCS tomorrow to see about doing sketch covers for his Avengers party. Already took that day off of work.

Need to finish the second load of work on this freelance contract.

Looking into providing pictures of varying quality for an anthology book. Which I'll use some vacation time to produce.

Then tattoo design for a high school friend. Done this in the past, but this guy is finally taking the plunge on getting inked.

It's our destiny! Triumph or Agony!

I'm going to try getting up in -- that ass. :3

Speaking of up in dat ass.

I want to believe these Gina Carano as Wonder Woman rumors out of Bleeding Cool! D:

 

[WanderingWind]

Dear Marvel. Go fuck yourself.

Love, Cyclops fans, everywhere.

Personally, I'm done until they retcon this bullshit entirely. Fucking disgraceful.

 

[Parallax]

Dear Marvel. Go fuck yourself.

Love, Cyclops fans, everywhere.

Personally, I'm done until they retcon this bullshit entirely. Fucking disgraceful.

Good luck in the future bro

 

[erlim]

I'm pretty alright with 1993 if we're just going by X-Men. The book didn't really start to suck until post Age of Apocalypse in 95 and went downhill from there. Then again, they basically had nowhere to go after AOA.

except Morrison's New X-Men, and Whedon's Astonishing X-Men, and if you count X-Force, then Uncanny X-Force by Remender.

 

[Nesotenso]

Dear Marvel. Go fuck yourself.

Love, Cyclops fans, everywhere.

Personally, I'm done until they retcon this bullshit entirely. Fucking disgraceful.

cosigned

maybe, hopefully, he gets the Tony Stark treatment.

 

[WanderingWind]

Good luck in the future bro

It's Marvel. They retcon everything back to the status quo. Eventually.

Fuck, even Bucky's dumbass is alive again.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

Yeah, the spinoff series in the 90s were fine. Excalibur, Generation X, X-Force were all really great. Gen X stumbled after Lobdell left, but X-Force got even better when Loeb took over after AoA and was at it's peak when John Francis Moore started writing it during Operation Zero Tolerance. Dat roadtrip arc <3

It was just the 2 main series that were pretty shit. I think they started with a good idea having blue and gold side, but it soon became obvious that blue side was the "cool" ones with Wolverine, Gambit and Rogue on the same team so soon the teams reintegrated and we had a decade of crossover. It was a messy time for those 2.

The main two books weren't very consistent, but when you think about it when was the last time Uncanny X-Men was a consistently good book? The first Claremont run? It's a hard book to write. Gillien's run right now is probably one of the better non Claremont runs and that partially has to do with the fact that it's no longer the main X-Book. Scott Lobdell did an decent job when you realize that guys like Joe Casey, Brubaker, Fraction and even Claremont the 2nd and 3rd times around have tried to write that book and failed miserably.

Also, Wolverine was great around that time. Pre-Feral Animal.

except Morrison's New X-Men, and Whedon's Astonishing X-Men, and if you count X-Force, then Uncanny X-Force by Remender.

I meant for the rest of the 90s silly.

 

[erlim]

I meant for the rest of the 90s silly.

Oh my bad, you're absolutely right then. Man, I read through the fatal attractions hardcover and that was punishment.

 

[Parallax]

cosigned

maybe, hopefully, he gets the Tony Stark treatment.

Fuck that. One of the worst retcons ever.

It's Marvel. They retcon everything back to the status quo. Eventually.

Fuck, even Bucky's dumbass is alive again.

I'm aware, which is why its funny to quit something that's not a shakeup of the entire line.

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

Damn!

Humberto Ramos! <= potentially NSFW (no nudity)