Resident Evil 6 - Review Thread | Activist Reviews and the Hate Patrol Destroy Truth™

Sectus said:
I think a part of the problem is that despite being in a genre which has very expected gameplay, RE6 has quite a bit of a learning curve. If you try to play it like a normal shooter, it's not that fun and you'll become frustrated that some things are very punishing in unusual ways (get shot too much and you'll get knocked down for instance).

I'm not saying everybody hating on the game is wrong (liking games is extremely subjective after all), but before giving up on the gameplay, people should give all the mechanics a try and learn how they work (that being the dodges, melees and quickshots). I think trying mercenaries mode off the bat might actually be a good idea, because that's the best place to experiment.
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Ah the old 'you're playing it wrong' - last refuge of a man with no salient points to argue left
 
PowderedToast said:
what has happened here:

- anti-japanese sentiment has reached a tipping point in western press
- capcom are an acceptable developer to criticise due to their mixed business practices
- the game is bloated and excessive, but it's also difficult and has a steep learning curve

consequently, re6 becomes the perfect target to;

a. prove journalistic integrity by tearing down an AAA title
b. slaughter a hugely popular japanese brand with a sound 'motive'

reality: re6 still contains more imagination and innovation than most (if not all) AAA western games.
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Perhaps. I'll still play my rental copy when it comes in from GameFly because I actually enjoyed the recent demo.

Strangely though, the criticisms I'm reading sound like stuff most current gen shooters do. Maybe RE6 takes it all to truly unbearable levels, or maybe it does a bad job of emulating all those western features, but we'll see. To me, this sounds like, at worst, another Ace Combat Assault Horizon.
 
cvxfreak said:
I'm very unsurprised and very disappointed at the RE6 team. They've, at the bare minimum, churned out a huge and epic disappointment.

I firmly believe Resident Evil has entered its first true dark age, with two consecutive titles rated badly and/or lower than series standards. When a main series title is scoring 3s and 4s from reputable outlets, you know there's a problem.

Up until now, the primary versions of the mainline RE games averaged at 89.XX% -- basically a 90. RE6 would be lucky to stay at 65 when this is all said and done.
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It's bad times, man. But it's definitely unsurprising. I kinda always knew Resi would be the "next Final Fantasy".

Next up, Metal Gear.
 
fluffydelusions said:
Capcom's twitter is amazing. They are totally ignoring all bad press (as expected)
https://twitter.com/Capcom_UK
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Haha, well I wouldn't expect them to be posting a link to the Gamespot review now.

thehillissilent said:
I would hope so. Doesn't the single player campaign in DS3 have only the player character and not an AI tag along?
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Yup, co-op is completely optional. Though I have seen people faulting the change in locations too, but that's another thing.
 
ilnadmy said:
This hits the nail on the head, and describes why I give no mind to what reviewers have to say.

I feel like journalists are falling over themselves to criticize this game (and, by association, Capcom). They get to regain journalistic integrity by saying, "Hey, we give AAA games bad scores!" But in reality they're only doing it in a safe situation where the hardcore gamer public wouldn't crucify them because Capcom is a safe target. It's like criticizing EA; everyone will cheer you along, so it doesn't really take guts to do so.

I played the demo, and while it wasn't perfect and was somewhat awkward, I cannot for the life of me justify 3s and 4s. Really guys? This game doesn't seem like a broken mess of glitchy mechanics and broken design. Using words like "garbage" to dismiss the game just sounds like the kind of nonsense spouted by an oblivious journalist stroking his ego up in his ivory tower, all the while knowing that his sycophantic followers will be baying for Capcom's blood no matter what.

I hate to keep bringing this up, but Skyrim on PS3 was an objectively broken pile of garbage software; there can be no argument on that point. Did it get mauled in the review department? Hell no. But Bethesda is beloved by fans, whereas Capcom has a legion of haters.

Journalistic integrity indeed.
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The conspiracy theories in this thread are hilarious.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
*shot of biological shit floating around*

The age of ' B.O.W.' s has ended. . .

Biological warfare has been taked to the ' Next Evolution '. . .

*Special op soldiers in the Middle East inject themselves with "BIOMACHINE" syringes. Their eyes start to glow and they get black veins on their arms. They ready their red-dot sights as they advance on a Terrorist Base.*

' War ' is ' Bio '!

*unmanned drone perk comes in, it's covered in eyeballs. The gameplay is a fast and furious 6v6 TDM*

BIOHAZARD 7


©CPACOM / Airtight Games 2014
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I can't wait
 
Green Scar said:
All I can think about is the reviewers reading this thread, seeing the spin about east vs west or some bullshit, and going "wuh?"

For the amount of shit people give games writers, you sure do have faith in their ability to produce wild conspiracies
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I've heard the reverse conspiracy come directly from a game reviewer's mouth.
 
AgentOtaku said:
Seriously

You don't think "gaming journalism" is mostly a damn joke?

Don't need 'em. Play your own damn games and make your own opinions kids.
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While I am not on board with there being some anti-Japanese games agenda, I do agree with this much. A popular game gets great reviews, then the mainstream gaming media is a joke, but if a popular game gets crucified, then they are all of the sudden saviors and are being fair and accurate, lol. But to their credit, this game does have obvious flaws, yet I still don't think it is 3/10 bad. That is broken game territory and this game is not broken, despite it's quirks and bad camera.
 
i'm not suggesting conspiracy theory, that's sensationalism. but it's naive to believe that reviews can't be laced with ulterior motives or sentiments that the writer wants to get across. as a critic you have the ability to influence people, sometimes people do this dishonestly. that's what i'm saying.

racism exists in film criticism, by the way. it's not exactly an alarming concept.
 
ilnadmy said:
This hits the nail on the head, and describes why I give no mind to what reviewers have to say.

I feel like journalists are falling over themselves to criticize this game (and, by association, Capcom). They get to regain journalistic integrity by saying, "Hey, we give AAA games bad scores!" But in reality they're only doing it in a safe situation where the hardcore gamer public wouldn't crucify them because Capcom is a safe target. It's like criticizing EA; everyone will cheer you along, so it doesn't really take guts to do so.

I played the demo, and while it wasn't perfect and was somewhat awkward, I cannot for the life of me justify 3s and 4s. Really guys? This game doesn't seem like a broken mess of glitchy mechanics and broken design. Using words like "garbage" to dismiss the game just sounds like the kind of nonsense spouted by an oblivious journalist stroking his ego up in his ivory tower, all the while knowing that his sycophantic followers will be baying for Capcom's blood no matter what.

I hate to keep bringing this up, but Skyrim on PS3 was an objectively broken pile of garbage software; there can be no argument on that point. Did it get mauled in the review department? Hell no. But Bethesda is beloved by fans, whereas Capcom has a legion of haters.

Journalistic integrity indeed.
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Meh, seems to me like it's a perfect example of big name review sites actually making use of the 1-10 scale. Sure, you can turn around and say "why did these other games get a better score?", but you still have to admit that finding a great many issues with Resi 6 isn't the most challenging endeavour.

The glowing reviews for other titles that happen to be Western-developed is questionable, but at the same you're saying the 3s and 4s for Resi 6 are unjustified. You can't have it both ways.
 
Sigh. Capcom had such a perfect formula with RE4 and they just had to fuck it up. It wasn't even stale, RE4 is still a very unique game.
 
EatChildren said:
Reviews seem mixed, hovering around "average". I haven't touched the demo and really haven't watched everything to do with this. Resident Evil 5 was shitful coming off Resident Evil 4, but Revelations was surprisingly good. Everyone I know here in Australia playing it seems to be enjoying it a lot more than RE5.

I'm not optimistic, but that might work in my favour. Will still play when it comes to PC. If anything kills the game for me, it will be the abundance of QTEs.
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Really try out the demo, Eaty

It blew my mind
 
Foffy said:
Many, many people have already brought up the Skyrim thing in threads about that game; much of that does stem from the fact Bethesda gave companies 360 code so they had to assume PS3 was similar. I'm sure the complaints made about RE6 have less to do with different versions, but decisions made that impact the entire game, no matter what build you're playing.

I'm not sure if companies were looking to talk shit about the game, as the press seemed to be very forgiving for the awful demos and screen tearing showcases while those at GAF were livid at their naivety to the situation. It was perhaps that they thought things would come together in the end, and it seems some do not think the core game is coherent. Playing the demo of the game showcases this. It's up to players to determine if the haphazard mechanics and pacing are something they can manage.

I think, based on your avatar, you have already made a decision on the game even before bad reviews about it came to surface. And there's nothing wrong with that. I just don't think it's right to pull the "loljournalism" card anytime a game you like gets a poor score.
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Oh I already mentioned earlier in the thread that I pre-ordered the Archives edition since I'm such a huge RE fanboy, and my avatar should make that point crystal clear. All I'm saying though is that game journalists are not to be trusted in general. I didn't trust them when they gave MGS4 a 10, which is one of my favorite games of all time, and I didn't trust them when they gave Uncharted 3 a 10, which is one of my most disappointing games of all time.

Very rarely does a game's critical reception fit exactly with my opinion of the game.

AgentOtaku said:
You don't think "gaming journalism" is mostly a damn joke?

Don't need 'em. Play your own damn games and make your own opinions kids.
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Exactly.
 
I don't think Resident Evil 5's level/boss design came out of lack of effort - it is just that having two players in a game at all times limits what you can do harshly. You can't take player placement for granted.
 
Sectus said:
I think a part of the problem is that despite being in a genre which has very expected gameplay, RE6 has quite a bit of a learning curve. If you try to play it like a normal shooter, it's not that fun and you'll become frustrated that some things are very punishing in unusual ways (get shot too much and you'll get knocked down for instance).

I'm not saying everybody hating on the game is wrong (liking games is extremely subjective after all), but before giving up on the gameplay, people should give all the mechanics a try and learn how they work (that being the dodges, melees and quickshots). I think trying mercenaries mode off the bat might actually be a good idea, because that's the best place to experiment.
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Here's what I don't understand. You keep harping on the mechanics being so good and "you guys need to dig deeper into it, come on" but is the game really designed around those mechanics being there? If anything, to me, they just seem tacked on. When are you going to absolutely need to use every single thing the game gives you an option to do? The enemies are slow and telegraphed, even in Chris' part.

A good game makes it obvious when you're supposed to be using something and how you're supposed to use it. If there's no need for it in the game, other than to be flashy, how does it add to the experience or... "goodness" of the game?
 
:lol at the immensely polarizing reviews. No surprise for me. Incredible. Can't wait to get it tomorrow though and experience it.
 
PowderedToast said:
i'm no fanboy. i love games and i've studied the art of criticism for years, meaning i respect it as a required part of discourse and culture.

i abhor the current state of the gaming criticism due to it's incestuous, dishonest and cynical nature. so i like to point it out when i see it. right now, it's pretty transparent.
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But reviewers liked RE5, RE: Revelations, DMC4, Lost Planet, Dead Rising 1 & 2 (and Case Zero/Case West), Street Fighter 4 (and SSF4 and SSF4AE and SSF4 3D), Marvel vs. Capcom 3 (and UMVC3) and Street Fighter x Tekken.

They did not like DR2: Off the Record, Lost Planet 2, Operation Raccoon City, RE: Mercenaries, RE: Mercenaries VS, or RE6.

It would seem that Capcom has been treated no differently than any other AAA publisher. Some critical darlings, some hit or miss, some complete misses. Just because this miss seems to be in their flagship franchise doesn't mean that all reviewers suddenly hate Japanese games.
 
Oh man I bet the businessmen over at Capcom Japan must be so shitting themselves right now with the negativity :lol: So delicious.
 
ilnadmy said:
Is that supposed to dissuade me? I'm making my point, why don't you make yours instead of resorting to a pointless attack on another poster.
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I don't have a point to make here, a game I was looking forward to seems to be terrible. Will play it for my self down the line to make make my on opinion.

That doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to call out conspiracy theory nonsense when I see it.
 
Green Scar said:
It's bad times, man. But it's definitely unsurprising. I kinda always knew Resi would be the "next Final Fantasy".

Next up, Metal Gear.
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Final Fantasy and Resident Evil were victim of design-by-committee philosophies, as long as Kojima is directing I don't think Metal Gear will fall into that trap.

besides Metal Gear's already had *two* episodes of immense fan backlash anyway
 
cvxfreak said:
I'm very unsurprised and very disappointed at the RE6 team. They've, at the bare minimum, churned out a huge and epic disappointment.

I firmly believe Resident Evil has entered its first true dark age, with two consecutive titles rated badly and/or lower than series standards. When a main series title is scoring 3s and 4s from reputable outlets, you know there's a problem.

Up until now, the primary versions of the mainline RE games averaged at 89.XX% -- basically a 90. RE6 would be lucky to stay at 65 when this is all said and done.
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As a fan of Sonic my whole life I say welcome to the dark age! :P
 
TOAO_Cyrus said:
Sigh. Capcom had such a perfect formula with RE4 and they just had to fuck it up. It wasn't even stale, RE4 is still a very unique game.
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Tell that to the people that think RE5 is shit.

I'm sure this game isn't very good (demo was eh), but seriously some series can do no right anymore.
 
Storm Prelude said:
How the hell a game can get so many contrasting reviews?
This just make me want to play it even more.
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It might be helpful to consider who is giving the good reviews and who is giving the poor reviews. There is no singular GAF hivemind, but I would hope that most people here don't place Famitsu's word on the same level as, say, Edge's or Giantbomb's.
 
Remember when Final Fantasy and Resident Evil were the crown jewels of the industry?

Those were the days...
 
PowderedToast said:
i'm not suggesting conspiracy theory, that's sensationalism. but it's naive to believe that reviews can't be laced with ulterior motives or sentiments that the writer wants to get across. as a critic you have the ability to influence people, sometimes people do this dishonestly. that's what i'm saying.

racism exists in film criticism, by the way. it's not exactly an alarming concept.
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Everything you said could very well be true. But you can't prove it, so it's not helpful to the discussion, especially in light of the fact that the game clearly has flaws. Some people are going to be particularly annoyed by those flaws and judge it to be a bad game on its actual merits. No need to posit a complex confluence of factors as the primary explanation, though they may very well have something to do with it.
 
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