Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
This is the Gamespot reviewer. He was dropping quite a few obvious tweets, and other stuff like this before embargo.
http://www.formspring.me/jeffgerstm...=noservice&utm_campaign=shareanswer&_sg=&_sk=
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This is the Gamespot reviewer. He was dropping quite a few obvious tweets, and other stuff like this before embargo.
http://www.formspring.me/jeffgerstm...=noservice&utm_campaign=shareanswer&_sg=&_sk=
Neuromancer
Member
Gies said over Twitter something along the lines of "Street dates for RE6 have been broken but I would advise people wait for reviews."
(Personally I see nothing wrong with that)
AkimbO_Arcana
Banned
lol Gamespot. Two hours ago I accidently confirmed at the age confirmation that my year of birth is 2003. Now I can't watch the damn video without assigning to a new IP. Seriously?
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I have to wonder if there's a correlation between the way reviewers approach the game and their scores. How many are playing it with the minimum possible understanding of the combat? Just shooting everyone, with guns, from a distance or behind cover? That would probably make RE6 come off very poorly compared to other third person shooters.
On the other hand, you have people who are driven to experiment, to make it more interesting for themselves, and they end up getting into the combat system and appreciating the overall game more as a result.
You can play God of War, DMC, Bayonetta, whatever, by doing one combo again and again until everything is dead. But if you did, I wouldn't be interested in your opinion of the game. Those games, and perhaps this game, require some additional creativity from the player in creating the "fun."
It would be really interesting, now that technology makes it possible, to see 10 minutes of footage of the reviewer playing the game to go along with the review. I want to know how they play, not so I can say "lol playing it wrong, games journalism!" but so play style can become part of the conversation for more people. It would help give further context to the text and numerical score.
Yes, fanatics on both sides would use that information to discredit whatever they disagreed with, but that's nothing new. It would allow consumers to say "that's how I play games like this, and if he didn't like it, then maybe I won't either" or "That's not how I'd play this at all. I'm going to give lower weight to this review than I would have otherwise."
Please note this isn't motivated by any particular review or even this game in particular. I'm not trying to subtly insinuate that every low score is the result of "wrong play style," just thinking aloud about how that could affect scores in ways that are invisible to readers, but could be made more visible.
On the other hand, you have people who are driven to experiment, to make it more interesting for themselves, and they end up getting into the combat system and appreciating the overall game more as a result.
You can play God of War, DMC, Bayonetta, whatever, by doing one combo again and again until everything is dead. But if you did, I wouldn't be interested in your opinion of the game. Those games, and perhaps this game, require some additional creativity from the player in creating the "fun."
It would be really interesting, now that technology makes it possible, to see 10 minutes of footage of the reviewer playing the game to go along with the review. I want to know how they play, not so I can say "lol playing it wrong, games journalism!" but so play style can become part of the conversation for more people. It would help give further context to the text and numerical score.
Yes, fanatics on both sides would use that information to discredit whatever they disagreed with, but that's nothing new. It would allow consumers to say "that's how I play games like this, and if he didn't like it, then maybe I won't either" or "That's not how I'd play this at all. I'm going to give lower weight to this review than I would have otherwise."
Please note this isn't motivated by any particular review or even this game in particular. I'm not trying to subtly insinuate that every low score is the result of "wrong play style," just thinking aloud about how that could affect scores in ways that are invisible to readers, but could be made more visible.
DevelopmentArrested
Banned
Let's get this guy in trouble because I don't like his review wahhhh
fluffydelusions
Member
You are too young...back to school kid
Buy the frankenstick. Or use the L button to toggle between strafing an aiming. The controls work because action isn't heavy and in-your-face like a twitch shooter.
Oh, and you have to up the sensitivity to very high.
the game is shit, get over it stalker.
With DS2 they already filled it with mindless action and less horror(last section was Gears of Marker) and DS3 look like it be all the way to actionland and wont be a survival horror at all. so yeah it's kinda pointless to outsource the series to people who don't even know what to do with their own game.
Over the past several hours I acquired this weird desire to actually buy the game to witness it either way for myself. I've done this in the past with things like Too Human as well. The whole situation kinda bums me out since I have money and am unemployed, so I have all kinds of time to play it in theory.
Also I think the negative reviews have hit a lot wider than I would have thought. I had three friends text me today that I played RE5 with; none of them had ANY idea the game was out this week, and they were asking me what was up with the reviews being negative. These are people who do not spend any time whatsoever on gaming sites except for one of them occasionally going to Gametrailers. Will be interesting to see how it pans out, as well as how cheap this goes on Black Friday now.
Also I think the negative reviews have hit a lot wider than I would have thought. I had three friends text me today that I played RE5 with; none of them had ANY idea the game was out this week, and they were asking me what was up with the reviews being negative. These are people who do not spend any time whatsoever on gaming sites except for one of them occasionally going to Gametrailers. Will be interesting to see how it pans out, as well as how cheap this goes on Black Friday now.
EternalGamer
Banned
My favorite review quote:
Hey guys, who wants to go ride the flaming unhinged rollercoaster with me? It's decadent.
Game Informer Review said:
Hey guys, who wants to go ride the flaming unhinged rollercoaster with me? It's decadent.
KefkaTaran
Member
Jeff Gerstmann isn't the GameSpot reviewer for RE6. That's Kevin Van Ord.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I'd like to think we're above this and more mature at discussing things than relenting into childish banter at official critics or other users for simply answering questions.
That makes sense, I admittedly wasn't paying close enough attention. Van Ord was saying things on Twitter too, as well as Jeff though. Give me a moment to fetch them.
Thanks for clarification. I will try the demo tomorrow. I have no problem with the fact that they changed the series as long as it is fun to play.
simple. rent it.
blitzcloud
Banned
I wonder what terrible game that has an embargo and you want to tell everyone how bad it is (and shortly coming) that leaked as a 4.5 on the website by accident he could be talking about.
Although since GTA IV critical acclaim I do not let any reviewer influence me in the least. I may watch some reviews such as the Yahtzee ones for entertainment purposes only.
You're wrong. Just look the Uncharted 3 reviews thread if you don't believe me.
It's not shit for everyone though, I think it is really a decisive game some will love it and others will hate it.
I don't think there's anything wrong with anyone saying to wait for reviews but some people will already know what side of the fence they maybe on.
I think that thread was an example of some people really going crazy but also others trying to make some posters look worst than they were like the Mama Robotnik review quotes had some quotes taken out of context. It was bad on both sides.
pseudomyxoma
Member
Jeff Gerstmann is not a Gamespot employee, but good fact checking
No kidding. That 8.8 or whatever it was ultimately is about what U3 deserved on the high end.
EternalGamer
Banned
Red Blaster
Member
How on earth is anyone getting mad at reviewers dancing around embargoes?
I'm sure none of you dissenters would've cared if the game wasn't a colossal shit sandwich.
I'm sure none of you dissenters would've cared if the game wasn't a colossal shit sandwich.
AkimbO_Arcana
Banned
If anything I'm too old to punch in those numbers properly...
New IP doesn't work. What are they showing in this review?
KefkaTaran
Member
I was referring to my tweets, which it seemed like he was referring to in that response.
Dance Inferno
Unconfirmed Member
Well the Gamespot guy (not Jeff, I think it was Kevin van Ord) basically kept tweeting how a game he was playing was complete garbage, which if I'm not mistaken is against the rules of the embargo. That tweet is public, it's not like Capcom couldn't have found out about it.
Riposte
Member
The melee system which make RE4 and RE5 shine is completely out of the game. Outside those shield enemies and bosses (final boss being the only outstanding one), the game suffers from uninteresting enemies compared to RE4/5 (Raid mode sort of fixes this by adding archetypes to enemies, but raid mode is pretty fucked up in terms of balance and all of this should have been in the main game, with new assets for each type) and a lack of variety on top of that. Hunters were also okay, but come off as kind of neutered at times. The game never really demands you dodge and at the same time allows you to make short work on some of the better enemies (key bosses) by having it in the game. To put it simply, it is a step backwards. It is not devoid of atmosphere (neither was RE5 either though), but most of the "classic Resident Evil" praise comes off as 90% image association rather than what's going on in the game (like for example ammo being very common or +50% of the game being linear). Also the episode structure really does a good job at messing with the mood and created absolutely absurd moments when they try to build cliffhangers that will be resolved in the next 30 seconds. I think I'm being kind to it when I say it is okay. I say this because I didn't just run away from everything like apparently some people did (in fact my favorite moments were when I took on optional boss encounters head on). I imagine that would break the game.
EDIT: God, how many times have I mini-reviewed this game while talking about RE6? Too many times.
The last chapter of the first Dead Space was the same thing. You know, the parts right before the final boss fight. It was always a game with heavy action sequences. Waves of monsters coming at you from all corners and good, creepy sound design. The sequel isn't much different, it's just that the initial spook factor is gone. The same old gimmicks only work once and, I feel, the only reason people associate DS as a "horror" game is because of those cheap scares that felt new.
It seems like the intricacies were lost on Brad, and they will be on most casual gamers as well. Does this mean Brad's review is better/more useful than one from the point of view somebody who fully grasped them? Depending on your point of view it actually might. On many levels the game is still painful garbage.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I was confused because both Van Ord and Jeff were saying things on different sites, a few images were being posted before review release which had things both said on the internet before reviews went life.
Von Opt was saying things, one was a name drop but this image went around when he first brought it up a month ago before Borderlands 2 hit:
Von Opt was saying things, one was a name drop but this image went around when he first brought it up a month ago before Borderlands 2 hit:
CambriaRising
Member
Who the fuck cares? Do you work for Capcom marketing or something?
I would except both of our Gamefly slots are being used right now, and I don't really want to Redbox it. Unless I go crazy and actually buy it tomorrow, I'll rent it but that just won't be for a bit.
Separate discussion but I don't really have any real interest in either of those games.
DevelopmentArrested
Banned
Cool. And he and other critics do it for games they like too. Deal with it.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
^That last game is clearly MGS
Hot Coldman
Banned
I thought the same thing about Deus Ex last year, and that was my GOTY. Dishonoured looks like this year's that.
mhi
Member
Some of the mechanics were broken (controls, camera,) but the forumula did not need a complete overhaul just some improvements.
Isolation ("I" must survive),narrow corridors, limited ammo+health, clue based puzzles (for advancement, for extra items, etc), game could be completed different ways because of the allowed exploration in large fixed settings.. Stuff like that definately needs a comeback.
EternalGamer
Banned
I was confused because both Van Ord and Jeff were saying things on different sites, a few images were being posted before review release which had things both said on the internet before reviews went life.
Von Opt was saying things, one was a name drop but this image went around when he first brought it up a month ago before Borderlands 2 hit:
Wow, he really shouldn't have said all that while standing under that giant Resident Evil 6 image. How obvious of him.
blitzcloud
Banned
Yeah well, it's been said already... it gets really into the twillight zone when I tell you that Van Ord gave MGS4 a 10/10.
A ten out of ten
EmCeeGramr
Member
This is from a while back but if you honestly thought that the "hype for Kinect games" anything other than venom dripping sarcasm then I don't know what to say.
DevelopmentArrested
Banned
And? It's at 94% on gamerankings.
I dont think MGS4 is good but acting like a 10/10 isn't close to the norm review is stupid.
CambriaRising
Member
Don't pretend that expectations don't color likes and dislikes. No one went into MGS expecting short cutscenes. (I hope)
Am I really defending Kevin VanOrd? Ick.
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
That can't be a legitimate defense.
So if someone expects one thing but gets another, they shit on the game?
But if they expect the things they shit on the other game for, and get those things, they give it a perfect score?
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Just WOW.
Unofficially, yes. Yes, he does (unofficially).
blitzcloud
Banned
NO, sorry. I like MGS4 a lot. I don't mean it as a negative thing. I can understand that a site with different reviewers has scoring inconsistencies. But the fact that he, the guy that not only could stomach the whole MGS4 cutscenes, but also give the game a 10/10 is now like "fuck it, im going home" because apparently there's intrusive cutscenes.
I find that very inconsistent and it gives me a bad vibe about the shades of gray that reviewer has when the game hypes him/lets him down, objectively speaking.
PS: I don't care about reviews. Reviews would tell me to stay away from monster hunter and outbreak file 2, and approach me to Grand Theft Cousin 4
EternalGamer
Banned
In no way do I think MGS4 deserves a 10. But are people really arguing that there is parity between MGS4 and RE6? That you can't really like one and dislike the other?
ViewtifulJC
Banned
When you get older, you have less tolerance for shitty video game cutscenes. Tastes can change.