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neemmss said:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...at_obama_after_debate_romney_was_winning.html

I love how Chris Matthews's called Obama out on NOT retaliating and throwing out the facts when he should have. BUT there is one thing he forgot...Obama doesn't know what he is doing. He is a figure head. He is TOLD what to say and what to do and he was caught off guard. His speeches and lines are written for him and Romney calling him out like he did tonight just showed it.

smh Obama. You were supposed to be better than Romney. Ron Paul > Obama > Romney.
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neemmss said:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...at_obama_after_debate_romney_was_winning.html

I love how Chris Matthews's called Obama out on NOT retaliating and throwing out the facts when he should have. BUT there is one thing he forgot...Obama doesn't know what he is doing. He is a figure head. He is TOLD what to say and what to do and he was caught off guard. His speeches and lines are written for him and Romney calling him out like he did tonight just showed it.

smh Obama. You were supposed to be better than Romney. Ron Paul > Obama > Romney.
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Get him GAF
 
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TheNatural said:
The basic premise of Republicans vs. Democrats on the economy is Republicans believe in the Chicago school of econ by Friedman that "worked" with Reagan, and the Democrats believe in the Keynes approach that brought us out of the Great Depression.

Republicans bring up Reagan like as their trump card for everything, except to not mention that behind Reagan's success was a huge ass running up of the deficit, one of the most ever in US history in a Presidential reign I believe. Spend that kind of money, things could turn around under any plan.

There's no reason in today's age where wealth is hoarded by the few that anyone ANYWHERE should believe the wealth is going to trickle down because the proof is there that doesn't. The law of supply and demand dictates growth, and giving companies MORE money doesn't create jobs. PERIOD. This is simplest way to explain it and it should be used more often.
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What i've noticed in larger businesses around me is that despite having profits up for many of them to be able to support more employees, most companies are simply opting to just run with less people and make more profit because they're simply getting more money and able to function with less.
 
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Rentahamster said:
Should be good. Time to get the popcorns.

One thing about Obama's speaking style when not reading from a prepared script: he says "um" and "uhh" too damn much. I really hope he works on that.

Romney needs to work on his people skills.
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Played out a bit like how I expected.

They both did ok. I don't necessarily agree with the sentiment that "Obama lost", despite what the various media meltdowns might suggest.
 
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neemmss said:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...at_obama_after_debate_romney_was_winning.html

I love how Chris Matthews's called Obama out on NOT retaliating and throwing out the facts when he should have. BUT there is one thing he forgot...Obama doesn't know what he is doing. He is a figure head. He is TOLD what to say and what to do and he was caught off guard. His speeches and lines are written for him and Romney calling him out like he did tonight just showed it.

smh Obama. You were supposed to be better than Romney. Ron Paul > Obama > Romney.
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lol
 
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Hey remember that GOP convention bounce? This is exact same shit. People just like Romney. That said I think Obama definitely lost a chance to put Romney away. He was up 3-0 and had a chance to sweep on the road. Now he has a couple of more chances to win.
 
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slightconfuse said:
lol total meltdown
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hachi said:
Maybe my long history in higher education sways me out of step with the mythical common man on this point, but I'm so tired of hearing Obama chastised for taking a "professorial" tone. Those are the moments in which he displays a calm mastery of the minor details of the subject matter under dispute, and that is his strong point in distinction from every other president in my not-short lifetime. Leave the affectation and pandering tone out of the debate when specific, complex policies are in dispute.
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Clinton was actually great at that and could also explain things in a way that made sense to relatively low-info people. Much better than Obama is.
 
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Thoraxes said:
What i've noticed in larger businesses around me is that despite having profits up for many of them to be able to support more employees, most companies are simply opting to just run with less people and make more profit because they're simply getting more money and able to function with less.
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And this is with tax cuts low as they've ever been. But hey, if they're even LOWER, then by golly - depend on the goodness of the heart of big business to add more people. They're just not rich enough right now, they need more in the bank.
 
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neemmss said:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...at_obama_after_debate_romney_was_winning.html

I love how Chris Matthews's called Obama out on NOT retaliating and throwing out the facts when he should have. BUT there is one thing he forgot...Obama doesn't know what he is doing. He is a figure head. He is TOLD what to say and what to do and he was caught off guard. His speeches and lines are written for him and Romney calling him out like he did tonight just showed it.

smh Obama. You were supposed to be better than Romney. Ron Paul > Obama > Romney.
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Great commentary! We have a thread about politics in the OT Community forum. You should stop by! You will be warmly received.
 
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Maybe now we won't rest on our laurels and assume we have this election in the bag. Maybe we'll keep fighting now.

Glass half full, guys.
 
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Ultradavid: Obama: AE Fei, good ground control/defense/offense. Romney: UMvC3 Modok, float up on top, try random S sometimes #debates #romneyupback

I lol'd
 
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Thoraxes said:
What i've noticed in larger businesses around me is that despite having profits up for many of them to be able to support more employees, most companies are simply opting to just run with less people and make more profit because they're simply getting more money and able to function with less.
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Which is what they exist for. Businesses don't exist to hire people, they exist to make money (unless they're a non-profit, obviously).

Whomever created the job-creator spin word should get a steak and BJ every night for the rest of their life - it's that damn good of a spin.
 
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Ken Masters said:
I don't see how anyone would think Obama won so I makes sense more people would think there was a tie then an Obama win
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Well of course, I'm just saying what a piss-poor job Obama did.

The man is a good orator. Why he took it in the ass the entire night it ridiculous.
 
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Fox News talking to group of independents:

"So who voted for Obama in 2008 and will now vote for Romney?"

-about five people raise their hands-

"Was it this debate that changed your mind?"

Man: Absolutely.

Me: LOL.
 
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teh_pwn said:
I have no idea what debate people were watching.

Obama: You're plan is X, and I don't think it's a good idea. Here's my plan.
Romney: That's not my plan, my plan is to take things in your plan that people like and to make it gooder. And to also make more jobs, and increase everyone's income magically.
Moderator: Derp

If Romney wins this debate, it'll be the group of people that are suckered into very expensive warranty extensions from made up anecdotal evidence from salesmen lying through their teeth.
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"perception is reality" thats what it comes down to the perception is that Romney won the debates thats what it comes down to. Romney seemed more engaged and acted like he wanted to be there while Obama is probably tired of the bs of the election and wants to get back to actually trying to help fix america even though he's facing the most partisan and disruptive republican party in history.
 
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Thoraxes said:
What i've noticed in larger businesses around me is that despite having profits up for many of them to be able to support more employees, most companies are simply opting to just run with less people and make more profit because they're simply getting more money and able to function with less.
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I worked in management at a Six Flags park in 2009 after the economy went to shit. That spring, when it was time to hire our seasonals, corporate handed us marching orders saying that we could pay people less than we had before, and work them harder, because they would simply feel lucky to even have a job in that sort of economy.

I'll give you three guesses how that worked out.
 
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Doc Holliday said:
Hey remember that GOP convention bounce? This is exact same shit. People just like Romney. That said I think Obama definitely lost a chance to put Romney away. He was up 3-0 and had a chance to sweep on the road. Now he has a couple of more chances to win.
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People don't like Romney. They are just frustrated with the direction of the country and he actually showed up tonight. Obama should have seen this a million miles away and prepared a lot more heavily. There was no curveball, no tricks, he just seemed nervous and foggy, like he was trying to get through it.
 
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Doc Holliday said:
Hey remember that GOP convention bounce? This is exact same shit. People just like Romney. That said I think Obama definitely lost a chance to put Romney away. He was up 3-0 and had a chance to sweep on the road. Now he has a couple of more chances to win.
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It's like 2012 Heat vs Knicks Eastern conference 1st round all over again
 
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Snowden's Secret said:
I worked in management at a Six Flags park in 2009 after the economy went to shit. That spring, when it was time to hire our seasonals, corporate handed us marching orders saying that we could pay people less than we had before, and work them harder, because they would simply feel lucky to even have a job in that sort of economy.

I'll give you three guesses how that worked out.
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Well the Six Flags in my city and several others closed so I'm guessing not good, haha.
 
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Ken Masters said:
I don't see how anyone would think Obama won so I makes sense more people would think there was a tie then an Obama win
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Because Mitt Romney could do nothing but respond with "Nuh uh, that's not my plan, because I say it's not and uh... magic might happen."

Obama won that debate in my mind, unless you're the type that frequently buys snake oil.
 
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RDreamer said:
Because Mitt Romney could do nothing but respond with "Nuh uh, that's not my plan, because I say it's not and uh... magic might happen."

Obama won that debate in my mind, unless you're the type that frequently buys snake oil.
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Winston Churchill quote on the average voter, etc.
 
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neemmss said:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...at_obama_after_debate_romney_was_winning.html

I love how Chris Matthews's called Obama out on NOT retaliating and throwing out the facts when he should have. BUT there is one thing he forgot...Obama doesn't know what he is doing. He is a figure head. He is TOLD what to say and what to do and he was caught off guard. His speeches and lines are written for him and Romney calling him out like he did tonight just showed it.

smh Obama. You were supposed to be better than Romney. Ron Paul > Obama > Romney.
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Fuck. It's it's seeping into GAF too. It's a teleprompter talking point. Fuck. Thank God the last debate is on foreign policy, but I'm going to be freaking out for the next five weeks. Fuck Chuck "Man God" Todd is even saying Bams lost tonight.

I'm already preparing for a possible Romney presidency or at least an election night that is going to come down to Ohio or Florida. I'm having 2004 flashbacks. Oh God, Oh God.
 
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