Sirpopopop
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They also have universal health care.
Mitt Romney: We Dont Have People Who Die Because They Dont Have Insurance'
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They also have universal health care.
No one's stopping you from letting us know the type of people who vote for Romney. Go ahead. Let us know the legitimate reasons.
Just a note: I'm not saying all Republicans are racists, that's ridiculous. I think most are ignorant of the issues, though, and likely brainwashed by propaganda from places like Fox News.
Best part of all these threads dealing with republicans.
We get the old "All of us aren't like that." Song and dance... but then theres never any differentiating reasonings offered outside of the GOP coverage we've been exposed to.
And I need to add to my list of Romney voters.. its bigotry/racism/sexism/ or if you're super wealthy.
Ugh, I guess. Yeah its all ignorance when it comes down to it. But then it manifests in racial imagery far too often to just be a coincidence.
ScreenSplitter
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Of course! They don't die! No, they just spend their lives trying to repay ridiculous amounts of debt. I'm also pretty sure that from what Scrubs has told me that this is, to some extent, a flat out lie.
la flama blanca
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Guy jumps in and cries about being generalized, yet calls everyone else a lib. Classy.
you are just dumb as hell
You forgot to mention the gutting of Pell Grants for underprivileged students.
Red Blaster
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When the opposing choice is a heinous piece of shit like Romney there really isn't.
You can ding Obama for NDAA, drone strikes and the wiretapping shit but all that is peanuts compared to Romney's garbage policies and the fact that he'll set up a conservative majority in the Supreme Court for the next 30 years.
Neuromancer
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I'd say the major difference here is most people outside of the sports threads wouldn't care about stuff like that, otherwise they'd be in there talking about them; whereas information about candidates leading up to a national election probably has a more wide ranging appeal to the people on this forum outside of the politics thread. I don't think professional sports are comparable to national (and by extension international) politics.
aronnov reborn
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name calling isn't nice. wonder if i could get away with it here.
This is fair enough. I was commenting on others responses and not the OP. as far as the OP the statement by Romney seems idiotic and i dont agree with it.
So, you're not really a Republican who plans on voting for Romney, right?
That's also attacking Obama from the left, which is a critical distinction in this type of argument, I think. There are plenty of things to be discouraged about with Obama, but they're from the left, not from the right. The right barely has a semblance of a critique of Obama.
la flama blanca
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You are calling me a liberal, which to me, is calling ME dumb. I have to admit though, you've been doing a very poor job in arguing your position on this board.
ThatCrazyGuy
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To the people who are against Obamacare and are voting for Mitt and want him to repeal it, why? Why would you want to turn back these policies, especially the lifetime coverage caps and pre existing condition coverage?
What about Mitt's heathcare agenda is good, or better for us as a nation as a whole? How would his vision drive our nation forward so more people are covered and costs are kept in control?
Of course what we have now is not good enough or perfect, but it's a start.
ReBurn
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That's not hard to understand, really. If you don't need to avail yourself of social programs and can afford to spend your time focused on building wealth as your priority then Romney is probably your guy. There are plenty of educated people who are aware of the issues that fit this description. However, there are a lot of uneducated people who vote Republican who are ignorant. I wouldn't give all Democrats the benefit of being highly educated on the issues, either. There are plenty of people who vote for Democrats just because that's what they've always done. It doesn't make them critical thinkers.
aronnov reborn
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yes i am.
wasn't trying to call anyone dumb at all. everyone i'd seen so far was on the left. my only position was i'm voting for romney.. i'm not a racist.
NullPointer
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Fine. I can understand that.
But would Romney be better? That's the question put before us.
How would Romney have handled the economy if it was him in office in 2008? Iraq? Afghanistan? Healthcare? Libya? Syria? Iran? A domestic crisis like a shooting spree? The shooting of an elected official?
And how would he handle our future better? As we recover from a major economic meltdown, what infrastructure would Mitt help lay down for the future? Whats the American answer to our future global economy? Whats our military posture? How would Romney appear on the world stage, and in front of a domestic audience? Is he a good representative of the United States at large?
If you can look yourself in the mirror and say that Romney/Ryan is the better team for the job, then by all means, vote that way. But that's a lot more than "I don't like Obama".
la flama blanca
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10 people have asked you why. Let's hear it.
Well, we've let you get away with dodging everyone asking what are some reasons to vote for Romney.
Give it a shot!
You're really going to equate threads on the policies that we all will have to live under every day of our lives, regardless of if you like politics or not, with sports? Really?
smokeandmirrors
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Because BIG GUVMINT TELLIN MEH WAT TO DO is all that they can come up with, it seems.
I work two jobs, I get home, I cook for my family, I feed my dog, I own a house I have bills to pay and take care of people in my home...my uncle gets a food stamp card because of his illness, because he can no longer work, walk or do much on his own anymore, it's hard to get by alone as the sole income, I am broke for 3 weeks out of every month, I have to make every penny last...I will use that damn food stamp card.
Nah, he'll just change his mind like with everything else!
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-11/romney-to-abandon-china-stance-if-elected-greenberg-says.html
aronnov reborn
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I'm fine with food stamps. alot of people need help. if the girl in front of me can pay $40 for lottery tickets. she can pay some federal income taxes.
ahh ok.. looking at Annov's reasoning its only subtle sexism. Women and their foodstamps buying things he doesn't approve of.
Wealthy people pay less taxes than those federal taxes you'd want her to pay for, due to the tax rate on business income.
All in all, it falls under the ignorant category. But glad to know you have at least convinced yourself that your reasoning doesn't = The rich stay rich, and tax the poor more. Which is what everyone has been saying about the GOP.
Wealthy people pay less taxes than those federal taxes you'd want her to pay for, due to the tax rate on business income.
All in all, it falls under the ignorant category. But glad to know you have at least convinced yourself that your reasoning doesn't = The rich stay rich, and tax the poor more. Which is what everyone has been saying about the GOP.
Then can you please give us a glimpse of why you are voting for Romney over Obama? Nothing fancy, just a brief overview of why Romney's policies are better for America. I, and I'm sure others, are genuinely curious about this.
aronnov reborn
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that's not fair. that just so happened who was in front of me.
You're going to equate disagreement/preference... with ignorance? That sometimes goes together but they're not the same.
If one simply doesn't like Obama's policies, or his personality, or background, or what he's done in 4 years, they can prefer voting for someone new/different without being "ignorant of the actual
issues".
I guess with politics online everyone thinks their ass smells like daisies.
Btw I pretty much hate both candidates and my country's two party system of fools.
So basically you're using people taking advantage of the system as a reason for not doing it?
But have no problem with the countless wealthy people getting out of paying taxes?
FlashFlooder
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one of the opposing choices
small distinction, makes all the difference.
I dislike Obama, and like Romney even less and guess what? I'm not voting for either of them.
But...you are generalizing. AND THAT'S BAD!
ThatCrazyGuy
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She represents all then getting government help? Like all GOP are racist? And all libs are dumb?
Come on man. You would throw the baby out with the bathwater?
Your stance seems greedy and selfish kinda. Why does it bother you? Her life is probably hard enough and you are probably living better than her.
Why tear down a system because of one. Some rich people are cheating the tax code and hiding money. Lets tear it all down because of a few. Right?
You think Mitt will tear out all the tax loops?
As I said, ignorance.
You do know that a lot of people making millions upon millions upon millions actually pay a lower % than you! Mitt Romney himself paid probably far less than you did, and he doesn't want to change that at all.
Also, yay, anecdotal evidence.
And I do kind of find it funny that you bring up lottery tickets, since that's basically a state tax, lol.
aronnov reborn
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not at all. I'm trusting romney to take out the tax loop holes he mentioned at the debate that the rich use to lower their rate.
that's why i said federal.. not state.
not all. just too many of these 47% Romney mentions could be paying something to the federal government. doesnt have to be alot.
LegendofJoe
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So because one girl you saw bought $40 worth of lottery tickets all the people who are barely scrapping by need to pay more in taxes and go without basic essentials?
But someone in this thread told me that only stupid people generalize.
Who was it......who was it???
You honestly believe Romney and the Republicans would close loop holes for the rich? Do you have any evidence to suggest that Romney would do such a thing?
You're trusting that lying sack of shit? You realize nearly every time he opened his mouth he was lying.
Also, he has stated he thinks the capital gains tax is fine where it is. That's the loophole that rich people (and he himself) uses to lower his rate.
Why are you going to trust him when he has gone to amazing efforts to reverse/retort/reword everything he has said during this run..? What has he done to earn your trust? This is a little hard for me to personally understand, as he has shown a lack of character, and honesty.
And sorry about the female comment, it was partially a joke as I'm sure that was just the instance you were in.
This too.
NullPointer
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He said he would do so many times, while lowering rates across the board. He just hasn't provided specifics that show the math working.
Just because a human does something ignorant doesn't meant that same human should be deprived of the ability to eat. Meal assistance, in many cases, isn't free money that can be spent on liquor, lottery tickets, and cigarettes. It's not a perfect system, as the card can be used on anything with a nutritional label, but it works. It's not incredibly inefficient, and it helps millions of people eat a god damn meal.
That same woman, well that lottery money is a tax. That money goes to print more tickets, into the safe for winners, and then to state programs and benefits. That woman also pays payroll tax if she works, sales tax on anything she buys, gas tax on her gas, tax on renewing her vehicle registration, tax on any property she may own, etc. etc. The poor in this nation, that 47%, pay their fucking dues. Real talk, being broke in America is living any fucking dream.
And you're pissed about this metaphorical poor woman not paying federal income tax since her money went to something besides food, clothing, and shelter? Is she not allowed to buy a book to read since it's not a critical necessity? Should she be put in a room with nothing but a cot, sink, and shower and left to make it work? If she dies she dies, fuck her? Hope she doesn't get raped cause the rape kit is on her tab? Hope she doesn't get sick 'cause care's too expensive? Hope she doesn't get fired since she needs to work to get assistance? Hope she doesn't get too much of a pay increase 'cause we'll cut her funding if she does?
You have zero, motherfucking zero, perspective on the lower class in this country.
But she already is paying taxes. And people stupid enough to pay 40$ on lottery tickets come at all income levels, they're called "edge cases".
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Angelus Errare
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You trust Romney to close a loop he himself uses as well as all of his friends and the people that both line his pocket and help fund his campaign? Oookaay.
Two things
1. The number is closer to 21%
2. Of that 21% many are republicans
3. Romney has apologized and said it was a horrible sweeping generalization and he was very wrong to say it.
4. You apparently regurgitate everything Romney says without checking to make sure it's true. That's very creepy.
Yeah, those people in abject poverty, those disabled, the veterans and the elderly should all totally be paying more!
You also realize the reason there are so many not paying in was because of a tax scheme from Bush. He did this in order to be able to say he wouldn't "lower the share of taxes paid by the rich," while lowering the actual amount paid in by the rich. Your own party did that damage!
You mean the tax loop holes he has yet to enumerate? Dude even if he got rid of ALL of the tax loop holes and deductions there would still be a HUMONGOUS deficit with his plan. He is not the fiscal conservative that you think he is.
aronnov reborn
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how is it generalizing by saying some people in the 47% can afford to pay some taxes..
some... i didnt put them as a single group.
according to the tax policy centre the total was 46.4% of people who paid no federal income taxes. i wasn't just taking his word for it. I dont care who it is. not all those people are so bad off they can't pay a small amount. And i do believe he'll cut the loop holes for the rich. or at least he better or i wouldn't vote for him again if he won.
Mackenzie 92
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Guess he's unaware of the costs of medication among other things. Not too mention if you don't have insurance they will give you the fast and dirty treatment, whereas if you do have insurance they will do every test possible and rack up as much as they can, because hospitals are a business, something he should know a little about.
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