I think you misjudged how much things cost to make to be honest, you can't get an ultrabook for $700 so you were never going to get the same hardware in a smaller form factor, with a touchscreen AND a digitizer.
Microsoft Surface Tablet announced
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I think you misjudged how much things cost to make to be honest, you can't get an ultrabook for $700 so you were never going to get the same hardware in a smaller form factor, with a touchscreen AND a digitizer.
Surface for windows 8 pro does not run on atom.
Honestly, I think it's too late for any major changes to be made to the desktop in regards to how programs are managed. Apple really got it right in that respect with the first release of OSX.
People complain about Metro apps not 'closing' by default, but honestly, it's godsend. It's absolutely amazing clicking on an app or game and instantly getting back to where I was when I quit it. I've got about 6 games running in the background at the moment and they're not using any resources at all.
The thing about Windows is that you are not limited to just one device. Don't disregard the devices from other manufacturers.
If you think ARM is an issue, then you might be interested in the Acer Iconia W510, which has an Intel Atom CPU and also starts at 500$. Seems pretty great. At 600$ to 650$ there are also a number of other really nice Atom tablets such as the Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet 2, which also comes with a pen.
If so I might still bite if it works well. Surface RT is still undeniably one sexy device.
The pricing doesn't really surprise me, I wasn't expecting Microsoft to really be aggressive with pricing. They haven't really done aggressive pricing in recent history.
If Microsoft really wanted to see some big success, they would have to price it cheaper than the iPad. Surface will probably sell ok, but the iPad is still the market leader by far.
This pricing, along with the negative word surrounding Windows 8 isn't going to help Microsoft. I feel that Surface is just far too late to the market, like most things Microsoft is doing these days.
Also those cover prices, brutal...
If Microsoft really wanted to see some big success, they would have to price it cheaper than the iPad. Surface will probably sell ok, but the iPad is still the market leader by far.
This pricing, along with the negative word surrounding Windows 8 isn't going to help Microsoft. I feel that Surface is just far too late to the market, like most things Microsoft is doing these days.
Also those cover prices, brutal...
I think it's unlikely that it will be 400 pounds or less. You need to remember that you're paying VAT. An American could come and buy a bunch and claim the VAT refund and get a substantial discount over the US price.
Well the RT price made the decision easier, Acer with full Win 8 it is...for the same price.
I wish the dock for that wasn't so damn ugly
Well the RT price made the decision easier, Acer with full Win 8 it is...for the same price.
That will probably not be a very nice device.
Yeah, true, I think I got sucked in by the early guesses and hoped Microsoft would subsidise their initial entry into the tablet market.
Good thinking; I was pinning it all on Surface or ipad and may have to just expand to the other manufacturers. Especially if those Acer and Lenova tablets can match the build quality, looks and support for a competitive price.
It's definitely got potential as a remote desktop device, as you say it will be interesting to see if it works much better than an iPad in those situations.
brotkasten
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Previews were positive. It's just the dock that sucked.
Gareth Bale
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Aren't they going to be the only ones selling it?
Bitmap Frogs
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Woah at the keyboard-slash-cover price.
Seriously, it's almost the cost of a Nexus 7.
Seriously, it's almost the cost of a Nexus 7.
radioheadrule83
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Acer's W500 was actually a great device, this doesn't look bad at all. Check out the vids on youtube.
Frustrated_me
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RT includes office as well right? Not too shabby for a 32gig tablet with its specs.
It surprises me that so many of you guys are debating between Surface, iPad, and Nexus. I have always approached this sort of thing by choosing a platform/ecosystem first (seemingly much more important than the device, IMO) and then choosing the best device from there.
So for me, the Surface is still the best and cheapest (well, tied with the Acer) Windows tablet announced.
So for me, the Surface is still the best and cheapest (well, tied with the Acer) Windows tablet announced.
$300 for a 32GB 10 inch tablet with Office? GTFO. $499 is a great price. It doesnt need to and it never was going to compete with the iPad. The same way OSX doesnt need to and cant compete with Windows.
My last 2 netbooks and a nettop were Acer. Not an Acer fanboy, I am just a cheap ass. I really like the nettop, but the rest... were cheap for a reason.
I think I am going to get something nicer this time, probably a Lenovo Tablet 2. Its only weakness is lack of battery in the keyboard.
I suggest you check out Tino's chart from the comparison thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=489163
Not only is it heavier than most of the Atom models (which will all run Win8 Pro and have full x86 app support) it also has less features & ports than most of them as well. It might look the prettiest but that's about it.
I'm thinking the same, the fact it's not a transformer is a shame but a 1st party dock is the next best thing
Lol, relax dude. A 10 inch Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 is around 300/350 if you shop around. Is Office on a touchscreen really worth 200 bucks to you?
There is nothing "great" about this pricing for such an unproven tablet, especially not in today's market.
Not regretting my N7 purchase now. I really wanted them to make a splash with this but they are freaking out to lunch.
Bargain basement Android tablets and the imminent Ipad-mini will remove a lot of hype on this product.
This really needed to be below the Ipad 3 to get noticed
Will wait on the Pro to see what impact it has
Bargain basement Android tablets and the imminent Ipad-mini will remove a lot of hype on this product.
This really needed to be below the Ipad 3 to get noticed
Will wait on the Pro to see what impact it has
I'm pretty surprised that MS is pricing it this way - almost directly in line with the iPad. It doesn't seem like it's interesting enough to warrant the price.
I suppose there are some people who might think MS Office makes it worth it. I'm not one of them - especially since it's not a touch optimized version of Office.
My gut feeling is this thing isn't going to get a significant number of people to move away from the ipad at 500 bucks. I doubt it'll tank like the playbook or Touchpad, but it's not going to set the world on fire.
The Surface Pro might sell at the same level as other ultrabooks but no one who wants a tablet because it's cheap, light and thin (oh, and super simple to use) will choose the Surface pro.
I suppose there are some people who might think MS Office makes it worth it. I'm not one of them - especially since it's not a touch optimized version of Office.
My gut feeling is this thing isn't going to get a significant number of people to move away from the ipad at 500 bucks. I doubt it'll tank like the playbook or Touchpad, but it's not going to set the world on fire.
The Surface Pro might sell at the same level as other ultrabooks but no one who wants a tablet because it's cheap, light and thin (oh, and super simple to use) will choose the Surface pro.
Do people do this in Apple hardware threads? Maybe they do I dont know.
Should I buy an ASUS (or any other PC) or 40% of a Mac?
I suggest you check out Tino's chart from the comparison thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=489163
Not only is it heavier than most of the Atom models (which will all run Win8 Pro and have full x86 app support) it also has less features & ports than most of them as well. It might look the prettiest but that's about it.
Yes it is a sexy bitch that's for sure but I absolutely hate the pricing. Anyone who gets this over an Atom doesn't care about functionality.
Nobody is going to buy this for this price. Microsoft done goofed up again.
I don't really care for Apple as a company, but why would anyone pay MORE for the RT tablet that has no established base compared to Apple's app store, let alone Android's? If it was priced low, it could have been an amazing way to get people into the ecosystem, but this was priced to go to war against the iPad, and Microsoft has no guns.
I don't really care for Apple as a company, but why would anyone pay MORE for the RT tablet that has no established base compared to Apple's app store, let alone Android's? If it was priced low, it could have been an amazing way to get people into the ecosystem, but this was priced to go to war against the iPad, and Microsoft has no guns.
The new new iPad isn't going to release a few days after the Surface launch and the iPad Mini isn't directly competing with the Surface.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
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Maybe I'm the crazy one, but I think it's a pretty attractive price for a 32GB tablet. I also imagine Windows RT won't become the next WebOS any time soon, so it'll be decently supported.
That said, I have no interest in getting this or any Windows RT tablet.
That said, I have no interest in getting this or any Windows RT tablet.
Isn't the new iPad still a good 4+ months away?
Turns out that wasn't really realistic.
To quote Charlie Kindel:
If the parts alone cost 370$ and Microsoft doesn't want to give it away at cost...
so? The iPad 3 is better than this.
Well, not in my case. The Surface RT could almost replace my laptop for most uses, but the iPad? No way in hell.
Who's this marketed to? I mean I thought they were trying to undermine the iPad with this thing, but making it at the same price just completely ruins it. The thing has no fucking apps compared to it! And I'm not saying that how lame ass Apple fanboys say Android has no apps, I mean this thing has such a damn small amount so far that there's no reason anyone would choose this over an iPad or the Nexus 7, unless they're super hardcore Microsoft fanboys or something.
What's the difference? I think the Nexus 7 could have replaced my laptop if it was larger. I think all laptops are cumbersome compared to the tablet form now.
What's the difference? I think the Nexus 7 could have replaced my laptop if it was larger. I think all laptops are cumbersome compared to the tablet form now.
Gareth Bale
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This is the problem. Surface is almost what I need. But why are they charging such a premium for a keyboard and Office?
Is it? It has a better display and GPU. Thats about all the credit it gets from me.
And when you said new iPad I assumed you meant the best iPad (stupid apple naming) which is why I said that.
Because they think they can. They think this is special. If it was priced this way for a real Windows 8 (not RT) tablet, then I'd agree, but not for RT.
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