Microsoft Surface Tablet announced
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Wiktor
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Unfortunately no. Which is a shame, as most Thinkpads do offer upgrades
Hopefully the next refresh will allow for higher res screen.Warm Machine
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Isnt a static vinyl iPad cover $50, a leather one $80 and both of those are strictly cosmetic?
This. Was really hoping they'd announce the Pro price. (I know, I know.) ;_;
CrunchinJelly
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You can't be serious...
Anton Sugar
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A lotta rage here when Apple gets away with similar. I think a lot of people weren't expecting MS to go with a premium price/product...which is understandable. It's risky, given the market and the "race to the bottom" that most tablet manufacturers are embracing.
That doesn't make it right.
If some guy jumped in a river, should you also jump in?
I'm starting to wonder why the RT even exist at all
and I can see some people buying it and wondering why X64/x86 apps don't work at all...
and then promptly returning it.
but hopefully if you throw 499$ down they would have at least the decency to research it first.
The Pro actually makes for a great tablet/laptop hybrid since it is running full x86/64 Windows 8
at the right price of 599$ - 999$ I can see alot of people shunning ultrabooks and traditional laptops and going for this tablet/laptop hybrid instead.
and I can see some people buying it and wondering why X64/x86 apps don't work at all...
and then promptly returning it.
but hopefully if you throw 499$ down they would have at least the decency to research it first.
The Pro actually makes for a great tablet/laptop hybrid since it is running full x86/64 Windows 8
at the right price of 599$ - 999$ I can see alot of people shunning ultrabooks and traditional laptops and going for this tablet/laptop hybrid instead.
If you're trying to defend the price you're doing a terrible job
Is the river made of money?
Thankfully unlike the apple ecosystem there is more than one OEM. (if the surface is successful though....)
Anton Sugar
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From MS's perspective, the river is full of cash, so yeah, they're gonna try to do the same.
Wiktor
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Logitech cover keyboard is 99$ and it has real keys, not the flap crap surface does.
Penguins&PolarBears
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The pricing of the Surface touch covers is the ultimate insult. I just don't understand why anyone in their right mind would buy a Surface when you can get Intel Windows 8 tablets that are smaller and offer better battery life not to mention have the option of far superior keyboard docks.
The optional laptop keyboard dock for Acer costs $150, the optional laptop keyboard dock for the ATIV Smart PC is $100. These docks come with extra batteries that double battery life, not to mention add additional ports and adjustable screen angles.
Windows RT right now is making absolutely no sense to me. If they can't sell ARM computers for less than Intel Atom or offer better battery life, then why would you buy an ARM tablet?
The optional laptop keyboard dock for Acer costs $150, the optional laptop keyboard dock for the ATIV Smart PC is $100. These docks come with extra batteries that double battery life, not to mention add additional ports and adjustable screen angles.
Windows RT right now is making absolutely no sense to me. If they can't sell ARM computers for less than Intel Atom or offer better battery life, then why would you buy an ARM tablet?
148 ppi. Slightly higher than the iPad 2's 132ppi, but really nothing to brag about.
Well I was hoping that the RT will be cheap which would in turn mean that the Pro will be cheaper than Samsung's Smart PC Pro. But this mean that that is unlikely. Anyway I have the Samsung Pro model on pre-order, it matches the Surface Pro in specs and has a better keyboard and form factor IMO.
It was because ARM processors offer good battery life, slim profile and doesn't require a fan for cooling. However, the new Atom processors appear to offer the same advantages, but also offer x86 support as well.
Anton Sugar
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All of the arguments that are being made about specs/spec comparison should consider that you can make the exact same arguments about the iPad. Why pay for an iPad where you can get a laptop w/better specs for the same or similar price (well, excluding Retina Display)?
zephervack
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HAHAHAHAHHAHA.
Who is going to buy this when you can get an Asus Transformer Infinity or iPad 3, both with tons and tons of more tablet apps for the same price.
Sent to die, good game Microsoft.
Still eagerly await the Surface Pro for photo editing and programming though.
Who is going to buy this when you can get an Asus Transformer Infinity or iPad 3, both with tons and tons of more tablet apps for the same price.
Sent to die, good game Microsoft.
Still eagerly await the Surface Pro for photo editing and programming though.
Superior in the fact that it is no longer a keyboard that is 3mm thick?
I'm sure there are some people out there who would like a keyboard at some points, but also don't want a full on keyboard to tote around all the time.
Vastly different form factors and use cases.
Anton Sugar
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How so? This is essentially MS's tablet--why would the use cases be different for the market(s) they're trying to penetrate?
Exactly, an Atom tablet is the way to go if you are on a limited budget or don't need/want a more powerful core iX
The apps, today's mobile world is all about the apps and the iPad have them, will Windows store have them? I am positive it will, but the question is when?
Windows RT is essentially an iOS type OS. Both offer apps, a store to purchase those apps, and a simplistic UI. Neither have a real desktop. Thus, Surface RT and iPad are far more alike than iPad and a laptop.
Edit: Or are you talking about the argument over Surface vs a laptop, and not Surface vs iPad? You didn't really make that clear because people have been arguing with both comparisons. I may have misunderstood.
tablet and more portability factor ?
S Pro actually makes a convincing case of getting rid of my Traditional laptop and just getting that as a replacement
even at a 999$ or so since your getting a laptop and a tablet vs an ultra book were your just getting a laptop only lighter and thinner.
Ah ok.
120 looks a lot worse than 50 to a consumer especially when the item costs 500. Sorry. 120 for an accessory puts it out of impulse by category.
The only question over the Atom is how good is its GPU.
Anton Sugar
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Ah, yeah, I think we're misunderstanding each other. The point I was trying to make was that, all of the arguments for "but you can get [insert laptop] for [same/lower price] and it has [xyz] specs", are the same arguments that can be made against the iPad.
Yes, you can get "more" value out of a third party laptop w/W8 Pro...but the market has shown that, if you provide a premium (or perceived premium) user experience, "specs" don't necessarily matter.
Right, this is the only variable, but I have little doubt that the W8 marketplace will flourish. This isn't Windows Phone we're talking about here.
Kinda playing devil's advocate here, because the price will probably prevent me from getting one, but I can also see why MS is taking this risk.
Wiktor
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It's not like they can be weaker than even the best mobile GPUs.
The price wouldn't be so bad if it didn't cost an extra hundred to get the SKU with the cover, which is a pretty big deal considering that's one of the products biggest elements that sets it apart from other similar products.
If it were $499 for the tablet and cover, then that'd be the sweet point in terms of pricing IMO
If it were $499 for the tablet and cover, then that'd be the sweet point in terms of pricing IMO
The pro will likely be priced similar to the Air, and will have similar specs (except for the pen support, touch screen and microSD slot that the cheaper 11" Air doesn't have) so it all depends really on your OS preference
And yes, $499 with a keyboard cover would be the sweet spot for me, but being available in Mexico would also have been nice...
At least it saves me from the temptation and now I can happily buy a core i5 tablet
Two points
One, The market value of the Surface RT is $370, this is where MS should price it at.
Why 370? I will tell you why. This is the price for a new Asus Transformer TF300 (not the newest high-re TF700).
The Surface RT has almost exactly the same hardware as the TF300. By introducing a new product, MS shouldn't price it over the market value. None of the market leaders charge extra for the "OS" and MS shouldn't charge anything for it. The Office Suite can be $20-50 extra.
The touch cover should have be priced at 99 since it doesn't have a battery. All the "keyboard accessories" snas the battery from all tablets are 100 or less. Only a keyboard with a battery can be priced at 150. And MS again, shouldn't price it over the market value.
Two, You can't build a premium product by pricing it higher.
This is something MS doesn't understand, and have never understood.
In order to create a premium line of product, you need to create desire, inspiration and panache! MS has none of that. I will stop here because nothing more need to be said.
One, The market value of the Surface RT is $370, this is where MS should price it at.
Why 370? I will tell you why. This is the price for a new Asus Transformer TF300 (not the newest high-re TF700).
The Surface RT has almost exactly the same hardware as the TF300. By introducing a new product, MS shouldn't price it over the market value. None of the market leaders charge extra for the "OS" and MS shouldn't charge anything for it. The Office Suite can be $20-50 extra.
The touch cover should have be priced at 99 since it doesn't have a battery. All the "keyboard accessories" snas the battery from all tablets are 100 or less. Only a keyboard with a battery can be priced at 150. And MS again, shouldn't price it over the market value.
Two, You can't build a premium product by pricing it higher.
This is something MS doesn't understand, and have never understood.
In order to create a premium line of product, you need to create desire, inspiration and panache! MS has none of that. I will stop here because nothing more need to be said.
What do you think we should expect from the pro? I'm thinking something like $899 to start, $120 for the cover, $150 for the pen. And I don't think I can settle for just 64gb on a device I'm going to use as heavily as my current laptop, which I intended to replace with the pro.
I was under the impression that regular ultrabooks were more powerful than the Surface Pro. At the very least I thought DOTA 2 could run decently enough on a Macbook Air (with Bootcamp).
I think we need to wait for both the atom and rt devices to actually be out before making those judgement's.... Something tells me the new atom's won't actually be as good as everybody thinks.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/16/3511002/microsoft-surface-inside-look-history
Gives a good look at the entire process regarding the surface tablet. Some interesting details in there esp related to the screen. In pretty much all these articles (bgr, engadget) the screen gets good impressions..... makes me think its actually better than the resolution would indicate.
I will argue that the Surface has all of that (except panache which I don't know what that is
)It will have the same corei5/HD4000 that powers the Air
Agreed.
I could see that only if they included a cover by default. I don't think they could price the device at the same level as the laptops it's supposed to compete with sans keyboard.
UK pricing up
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msuk/en_GB/pdp/productID.257929400?WT.mc_id=FY13WinHH
32 GB without Black Touch Cover is £399.00. With the cover is £479.
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msuk/en_GB/pdp/productID.257929400?WT.mc_id=FY13WinHH
32 GB without Black Touch Cover is £399.00. With the cover is £479.
The Faceless Master
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Well the RT price made the decision easier, Acer with full Win 8 it is...for the same price.
this right fucking here.
Acer Iconia w510 for the win.
MS as a company, or the Surface as a product? The Surface as a product definitely comes across as premium to me. Some innovation thrown in with great design and build quality. Back when it was unveiled in June, you'd be hard pressed to find someone whose mind wasn't blown.
probably have to look at what the prices are for the core i3/i5/i7 tablets. Just like with the RT version i doubt microsoft will undercut their OEMs.
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