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[nmanma]

Wii U gamepad? really you wanna go there?

it's single touch!

It's not like resistive single touch doesn't have any advantages over capacitive multitouch. Now if you think that those advantages don't outweigh its limitations then fine, but looking down on that tech only because it was invented earlier (without any consideration to what does a better job on what the pad is going to do) is just silly

Personally, I do think resistive's accuracy is worth the loss of multitouch, even more since the presence of buttons can soften the impact of no multitouch

 

[drkOne]

PC is current gen. Everything else is previous gen.
Wii U is more next gen than PS4 because of the new controller, just like Wii was ahead of 360/PS3 who only got motion controllers 4 years later.

Why is there 7 pages worth of people discussing hardware and attaching an arbitrary definition of 'current gen', 'last gen', or 'next gen.' It's ARBITRARY. Unless there's something concrete it's pointless.

50 posts per page is last gen, and that's not arbitrary at all.

 

[batbeg]

SNES did not have a 8bit CPU. You may be thinking of TG-16. Nor did the Neo Geo have a 24bit CPU.

I'm no expert on this but that Sunsoft interview last week suggested an 8-bit CPU for the SNES.

 

[King of the Potato People]

But other gaming sites suck compared to GAF. If we did a poll on GAF, and asked if Wii was current gen... would it pass?

Gaf is a forum though and are naturally more opinionated, many people here like to use 'next-gen' as another buzz-word to describe what they like more, rather than what will be most commercially relevant.

I was thinking more about how other websites aren't going to label Wii U retro and because it will be competing with the next XBOX/PS and will be part of that generation.

 

[CadetMahoney]

Next gen only exists when ALL platforms have been released, but begins with the first.

I prefer "when Sony says so".

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Next gen architecture. :3

Xbox: DX8.1 (SM1.4) equivalent
PS360: DX9 (SM3.0) equivalent
Wii U: DX10.1+ (SM4.0 + SM5.0 "features") equivalent

 

[gutter_trash]

It's not like resistive single touch doesn't have any advantages over capacitive multitouch. Now if you think that those advantages don't outweigh its limitations then fine, but looking down on that tech only because it was invented earlier (without any consideration to what does a better job on what the pad is going to do) is just silly

Personally, I do think resistive's accuracy is worth the loss of multitouch, even more since the presence of buttons can soften the impact of no multitouch

people today have smartphones with multi-touch. they expect no less now for touch technology

unless you are maneuvering with a single touch GPS for your car and that's all you care about then...

 

[kayos90]

50 posts per page is last gen, and that's not arbitrary at all.

Touche. I exaggerated.

 

[2MF]

If you really wanna go down this road: How capable is the touchscreen inside the PS3/360 controller? Because hey, it's the same generation. And because we're at it, how are the fps pointer controls on 360? The ones on the last gen console Wii are pretty damn good.

That road also leads to something those people probably don't want: comparisons between their favorite console's graphics and PC graphics.

 

[Sipowicz]

you can say it's underpowered but it's still an eighth generation console. it'll still be competing with the 720/ps4 for sales

while i'm sure it'd make a certain section of people happy if they could define generations based on power things don't work like that

 

[Box]

I have a short exercise for the people who understand generations in terms of hardware power.

In 2012, Nintendo releases the Wii U. It has 2x as much power as the PS3.
In 2013, Microsoft releases the Xbox 3. It has 2x as much power as the Wii U.
In 2013, Sony releases the PS4. It has 2x as much power as the Xbox 3.

In 2016, Nintendo releases the NES 7. It has 2x as much power as the PS4.
In 2017, Microsoft releases the Xbox 4. It has 2x as much power as the NES 7.
In 2017, Sony releases the PS5. It has 2x as much power as the Xbox 4.

In 2021, Nintendo releases the NES 8. It has 2x as much power as the PS5.
In 2022, Microsoft releases the Xbox 5. It has 2x as much power as the NES 8.
In 2022, Sony releases the PS6. It has 2x as much power as the Xbox 5.


I have separated the consoles into their generations if we were defining generations by release date. How would they be split up if they were defined according to power?

And I'd like to point out that based on how little we know for sure about the upcoming consoles, a scenario like this isn't completely unreasonable like some of the other hypothetical scenarios suggested (except maybe the names).

 

[enzo_gt]

I'd say it's much more applicable to consider systems that are competing with each other as the same generation.

Calling Wii U Gen 7 isn't useful at all because the Gen 7 war has finished. There's no more competition to be made. Wii U is for all intensive purposes, competing with PS4 and the Nextbox, people will be making their purchase decisions between these three systems.

Fair enough, I guess the bottom line is the market. I look at it more from a development perspective where they are in two different leagues entirely and devs have to scale things as far back as the previous generation which makes the ultimate difference even before it hits the market and people see how well something does.

 

[Mileena]

Because capacitive turned out very well for the Vita.

Yea that's why the Vita is failing :lol



The spin is delicious

 

[EloquentM]

It's like generation doesn't mean what it's supposed to mean anymore.

 

[BlackJace]

Yea that's why the Vita is failing :lol



The spin is delicious

Did I say that? He was making a point that capacitive had something to do with the system being a better buy. Frankly people didn't give a shit about capacitive on thier handheld device.

Nice try though.

 

[lednerg]

No, they're convenient labels to declare a statement about products that co-existed in the same market at the same time for marketshare.

The way many people are using it in this thread though, yes; idiots buying into blast processing style marketing.

Nobody talked about which "generation" something was until someone in marketing used it to sell a console. Before that, it was all about "bits" and so on. While these terms can be used constructively to describe something tangible, they are in fact rooted in hype, especially as far as consoles go.

 

[H_Prestige]

Quick ports often don't take advantage of specialized hardware all that well. Even not so quick, as things like

Can you give a rundown of all of the specialized hardware? Considering you're a programmer who knows all the intricacies of the system.

 

[Roto13]

Capacitative touch screens are shit for gaming and I hate that the Vita uses one.

Just putting that out there.

 

[EloquentM]

So is vita next next gen?

 

[King of the Potato People]

So is vita next next gen?

It's a current-gen handheld now.

 

[sTeLioSco]

So is vita next next gen?

no its current gen.

the 3ds i dont know.

 

[nmanma]

people today have smartphones with multi-touch. they expect no less now for touch technology

unless you are maneuvering with a single touch GPS for your car and that's all you care about then...

We'll see, I agree that a sizeable proportion of people are used to multitouch, but I don't think singletouch will be an issue big enough to be a dealbreaker for a relevant fraction of them, especially considering that wiiu software will have to be built around it

I could be wrong, though, we'll know for sure once the wiiu starts rolling and people start sharing experiences

 

[Boss Doggie]

Yea that's why the Vita is failing :lol

The spin is delicious

It's not a spin, in fact the reason he said is the point you're trying to make.

I've tried words many many times in these threads. Now I'm trying what I'm hoping is a helpful image. Any feedback to improve it would be certainly appreciated.

Sorry its big.

Yeah this.

Honestly I don't want to return to this thread but I am fascinated by posts.

 

[King of the Potato People]

no its current gen.

the 3ds i dont know.

It's a current-gen handheld now.

 

[VGChampion]

I don't understand how this is even up for discussion. Wii U will be the first 8th Generation console, and Ouya will be the second.

This isn't something that's tied to console power. It's tied to release dates and manufacturer progression.

I wish we could have this plastered all over the Internet. There was never any problem with this in the old days. Now all these kids show up and think only Microsoft and Sony can usher in a new generation.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Can you give a rundown of all of the specialized hardware? Considering you're a programmer who knows all the intricacies of the system.

Does one really need to be a programmer to point out Wii U has a GPGPU?

 

[2MF]

I have a short exercise for the people who understand generations in terms of hardware power.

In 2012, Nintendo releases the Wii U. It has 2x as much power as the PS3.
In 2013, Microsoft releases the Xbox 3. It has 2x as much power as the Wii U.
In 2013, Sony releases the PS4. It has 2x as much power as the Xbox 3.

In 2016, Nintendo releases the NES 7. It has 2x as much power as the PS4.
In 2017, Microsoft releases the Xbox 4. It has 2x as much power as the NES 7.
In 2017, Sony releases the PS5. It has 2x as much power as the Xbox 4.

In 2021, Nintendo releases the NES 8. It has 2x as much power as the PS5.
In 2022, Microsoft releases the Xbox 5. It has 2x as much power as the NES 8.
In 2022, Sony releases the PS6. It has 2x as much power as the Xbox 5.


I have separated the consoles into their generations if we were defining generations by release date. How would they be split up if they were defined according to power?

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of Fanboy Brains suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

 

[NewFresh]

Yeah this.

Honestly I don't want to return to this thread but I am fascinated by posts.

Can't help but look at the train wreck.

 

[EloquentM]

no its current gen.

the 3ds i dont know.

You realize how silly this sounds, right?

 

[sTeLioSco]

even if we accept that the wiiu is next gen it will be only for 1 year because next year new consoles will be out in the market and it will become last gen....

1 year is a long time.

 

[EloquentM]

It's like if I had a son and my friend had a son. My son is superior to my friends son in intellect, talent, and physical potential so I consider him a generation beyond my friends son? Now that notion is totally broken based on the fact that they're born around the same exact time period, so no matter how inferior my friend's son is he will always be in the same generation of my son. I mean, the concept is simple. Do I really need to slap some of you with a dictionary?

 

[TGO]

I don't know, but I'm jealous of all those Wii U owners being able to play nextgen games like Assassins Creed 3 & Mass Effect 3, Tekken Tag 2, & Batman AC
Yeah I know they're ports, but they nextgen on Wii U

 

[EloquentM]

even if we accept that the wiiu is next gen it will be only for 1 year because next year new consoles will be out in the market and it will become last gen....

1 year is a long time.

Just, please stop posting. Ouya, Wii U, ps4, and Xbox 3 will all be competing with each other in the next generation of consoles.

I don't know, but I'm jealous of all those Wii U owners being able to play nextgen games like Assassins Creed 3 & Mass Effect 3, Tekken Tag 2, & Batman AC
Yeah I know they're ports, but they nextgen on Wii U

How do the games have anything to do with it? Ever generation has had ports from the last gen? C'mon son.

 

[King of the Potato People]

even if we accept that the wiiu is next gen it will be only for 1 year because next year new consoles will be out in the market and it will become last gen....

1 year is a long time.

Wii U won't be next-gen for a year, it will be next-gen for about 1 more month until it's released and becomes current gen.

 

[GuessMyUserName]

I don't know, but I'm jealous of all those Wii U owners being able to play nextgen games like Assassins Creed 3 & Mass Effect 3, Tekken Tag 2, & Batman AC
Yeah I know they're ports, but they nextgen on Wii U

Why are you pretending that the Wii U is the only new system in the history of time to get ports of previous gen games?

 

[chertipros]

I have a short exercise for the people who understand generations in terms of hardware power.

In 2012, Nintendo releases the Wii U. It has 2x as much power as the PS3.
In 2013, Microsoft releases the Xbox 3. It has 2x as much power as the Wii U.
In 2013, Sony releases the PS4. It has 2x as much power as the Xbox 3.

In 2016, Nintendo releases the NES 7. It has 2x as much power as the PS4.
In 2017, Microsoft releases the Xbox 4. It has 2x as much power as the NES 7.
In 2017, Sony releases the PS5. It has 2x as much power as the Xbox 4.

In 2021, Nintendo releases the NES 8. It has 2x as much power as the PS5.
In 2022, Microsoft releases the Xbox 5. It has 2x as much power as the NES 8.
In 2022, Sony releases the PS6. It has 2x as much power as the Xbox 5.


I have separated the consoles into their generations if we were defining generations by release date. How would they be split up if they were defined according to power?

And I'd like to point out that based on how little we know for sure about the upcoming consoles, a scenario like this isn't completely unreasonable like some of the other hypothetical scenarios suggested (except maybe the names).

well, we would all know that Nintendo's console would be current gen by default.

 

[sTeLioSco]

Just, please stop posting. Ouya, Wii U, ps4, and Xbox 3 will all be competing with each other in the next generation of consoles.

and ill ask again:

if i get some 100mhz pentium processors,some 3dfx voodoo cards and put them in a box and name them next-gen console,that would be a next gen console for you??
if i release it next year.

ooya would be old technology competing with next-gen consoles yes.
just ilke the wiiu.

 

[Penguin]

Wii U won't be next-gen for a year, it will be next-gen for about 1 more month until it's released and becomes current gen.

That's another thing I hate

How everyone spent like 5-6 years calling Ps3/360 next-gen consoles
You aren't next-gen during the current gen.

GAH

Also I hate folks dubbing next-gen as Gen4 as well! >.<

 

[Paddling Ghost]

I don't know, but I'm jealous of all those Wii U owners being able to play nextgen games like Assassins Creed 3 & Mass Effect 3, Tekken Tag 2, & Batman AC
Yeah I know they're ports, but they nextgen on Wii U

Just like I was jealous of all those launch xbox 360 owners getting to play next gen games like Gun, Need for Speed most wanted, King Kong and Tony Hawks american wasteland plus a million ultra quick last gen sport title ports.

 

[EloquentM]

and ill ask again:

if i get some 100mhz pentium processors,some 3dfx voodoo cards and put them in a box and name them next-gen console,that would be a next gen console for you??
if i release it next year.

ooya would be old technology competing with next-gen consoles yes.
just ilke the wiiu.

of course it is because the definition of the word isn't up for interpretation. If you want to even talk about it on a technical level the only way you could do so is through the lineage of the console itself meaning Wii u is a progression of Wii, Wii is a pregression of GCN and so on and so forth. If it makes you feel better to think of it that way then do so but your opinion on the word isn't going to change what it means.

 

[Eusis]

Capacitative touch screens are shit for gaming and I hate that the Vita uses one.

Just putting that out there.

I didn't see it as a big deal until I tried VLR's demo on Vita... and you know what? At the very least there's a clear advantage for certain types of control. It's almost like saying you can just slice off D-Pads as being irrelevant compared to analog, even though D-pads definitely have some advantages over analog whether for certain types of games, or just menu navigation (as hard as the 360 pad tries to fuck THAT up). Maybe worse in ways, capacitive was mainly adopted for the iPhone I believe because it works better for casual use, IE as a phone, but for more intricate operations it can definitely be more obnoxious and even tiring than just using a good stylus.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

and ill ask again:

if i get some 100mhz pentium processors,some 3dfx voodoo cards and put them in a box and name them next-gen console,that would be a next gen console for you??
if i release it next year..

If Sony did that with ps4, or ms with durango, then yes. That is exactly right. It would be a next gen console.

 

[EloquentM]

Do the people arguing over touch implementation or the meta argument of which form of touch screen is clearly better even own/have owned a DS?

 

[AkimbO_Arcana]

no its current gen.

the 3ds i dont know.

at least you got that part right.

 

[Eusis]

Oh yes, something to think about with the launch games:

I swear a huge chunk of the 360 launch period games were PS2/Xbox/GC titles, and at the time it was speculated the PS3 would be a complete beast in comparison. Granted the 360 DID end up a huge leap with the PS3 being about even where it counted for most games, but there's still the point that sharing games with existing consoles =/= not a leap forward. And until we DO see their next systems we don't even know how big of a leap it will be, it may well be in the PS2 zone rather that Dreamcast zone. Or be just powerful enough to get most of the big multiplatform titles anyway.

 

[chertipros]

Why does this shit even matter on a gaming forum? If It was the Merriam Webster Message Board I'd understand But when half of you "gamers" play retro games anyway I don't see how it would be so important to know what generation a console falls under. Just play the games

 

[ohlawd]

Next gen already started with the 3DS and Vita.

Sorry, but Wikipedia doesn't lie.

 

[sTeLioSco]

If Sony did that with ps4, or ms with durango, then yes. That is exactly right. It would be a next gen console.

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so if sony/ms buy old processors and gfx cards ftom ebay and just brand them next-gen you would buy that cause you would believe its a new product and deserve to buy them like the ps360?

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i have nothing more to add.

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Next gen already started with the 3DS and Vita.

Sorry, but Wikipedia doesn't lie.

another historic comment.

 

[nmanma]

I have a short exercise for the people who understand generations in terms of hardware power.

In 2012, Nintendo releases the Wii U. It has 2x as much power as the PS3.
In 2013, Microsoft releases the Xbox 3. It has 2x as much power as the Wii U.
In 2013, Sony releases the PS4. It has 2x as much power as the Xbox 3.

In 2016, Nintendo releases the NES 7. It has 2x as much power as the PS4.
In 2017, Microsoft releases the Xbox 4. It has 2x as much power as the NES 7.
In 2017, Sony releases the PS5. It has 2x as much power as the Xbox 4.

In 2021, Nintendo releases the NES 8. It has 2x as much power as the PS5.
In 2022, Microsoft releases the Xbox 5. It has 2x as much power as the NES 8.
In 2022, Sony releases the PS6. It has 2x as much power as the Xbox 5.


I have separated the consoles into their generations if we were defining generations by release date. How would they be split up if they were defined according to power?

And I'd like to point out that based on how little we know for sure about the upcoming consoles, a scenario like this isn't completely unreasonable like some of the other hypothetical scenarios suggested (except maybe the names).

Quick and dirty

alternatively

 

[EloquentM]

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so if sony/ms buy old processors and gfx cards ftom ebay and just brand them next-gen you would buy that cause you would believe its a new product and deserve to buy them like the ps360?

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i have nothing more to add.

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That's not even what you initially asked...


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Yes, please add no more.