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[Aguirre]

Voiced by Rosie Perez, too. Lol.

Fuck yes it should. Black people already have a princess. Now the white African people need one.

think they nailed it, imo

 

[GungHo]

Example Nick fury from marvel comics wasn't a stereotypical black guy when he was changed from being a white guy but yet people complained, your just not going to please everyone no matter what you do.

Ultimate Nick Fury is Samuel L. Jackson. He wasn't changed to a "stereotypical black guy". He was changed to a very specific black guy.

 

[Lesath]

No furry princess? Disappointed.

 

[Sanky Panky]

Weird that this thread has not devolved into a "post hot light-skin latinas" yet.

I'd be more interested in knowing the mom's background. Disney is taking a woman from Spain (lived in Galdiz?) and marrying her with a German (Birk from Freezenberg). Is Disney making a statement here?

It will be hilarious when Disney does go all out full feature film about a hispanic princess. Sombreros, tacos, and maracas everywhere.

 

[KtSlime]

Prove it.

Japanese nouns generally don't distinguish between number (few exceptions exist with redoubling and a few suffixes for people). They don't get pluralized forms as loan words. Samurai in this case is plural. Just like "I ate sushi for lunch" doesn't mean you only had one piece, or "I saw geisha when in Kyoto" doesn't mean you only saw one.

 

[tenchir]

Weird that this thread has not devolved into a "post hot light-skin latinas" yet.

I'd be more interested in knowing the mom's background. Disney is taking a woman from Spain (lived in Galdiz?) and marrying her with a German (Birk from Freezenberg). Is Disney making a statement here?

It will be hilarious when Disney does go all out full feature film about a hispanic princess. Sombreros, tacos, and maracas everywhere.

I don't think Disney is making any statement, european royalties marrying into another country happens quite often back then.

 

[Dark Octave]

The mother looks Latino, but the dad and kids don't.

Femshep playing Cinderella though? :/

Damn. I haven't seen Princess and the Frog yet, but Hispanics got the shaft for their one and only shot at Disney recognition. Looks horrible and they're all white.

 

[Amakusa]

Can't see the pictuire at work, went to google and typed in Disney first Latina Princess... all I keep getting are pictures of some little white girl.

 

[Baconsaurus Rex]

Well it actually reflects in children what they consider beautiful. There's a well known study, you can google it where little girls are given barbies and asked which is the most beautiful, they keep picking the blonde blue-eyed white barbie despite their own racial heritage. It's kind of sad too, they don't consider all of the barbies beautiful but that specific one because they're inundated with imagery that leads them to that conclusion.

It's funny that you mention it because I actually looked up the Kenneth and Mamie Clark Doll experiment before posting and you're right: The majority of (African-American) children considered a white doll more beautiful than the same doll with brown skin and dark hair. It is indeed sad that children even at a young age already make a distinction based on skin colour. I wonder however if children with a Latino heritage would mind the looks of this Sofia and wouldn't be able to connect with her based solely on her appearance that is apparently considered too Caucasian or whatever. At that point it is safe to say that there's something wrong with society when people start arguing about this.

 

[out0v0rder]

Can cartoon characters even have a "race"?

Someone tried to tell me I couldn't cosplay as Woody because he is White. I thought he was CG/Plastic.

 

[Zoe]

When filling out information about myself, on the self nationality identification, doesn't Latin/Hispanic get lump together though? It's easy for most people to not be able to differentiate between the two.

The main point of that was to emphasize that they're not races.

One of the ongoing debates from the last census was whether Filipinos are Hispanic. I personally checked 'No', but some would argue that I should have checked 'Yes' because I'm 1/4 Spanish.

 

[A.E Suggs]

Well it actually reflects in children what they consider beautiful. There's a well known study, you can google it where little girls are given barbies and asked which is the most beautiful, they keep picking the blonde blue-eyed white barbie despite their own racial heritage. It's kind of sad too, they don't consider all of the barbies beautiful but that specific one because they're inundated with imagery that leads them to that conclusion.

The doll study is kinda weird when I think about it now that i'm older. When I was a child I never thought my on race(black) of people were ugly, however I did think the chocolate colored dolls outside of white was ugly. I just think that any color other than white just don't work on some toys like babydolls.

 

[charsace]

I wonder if her design is based on testing.

 

[grimshawish]

Wait...so she is based on being Spanish? Well fuck off then she looks fine for Spanish royalty and this has zero to do with latino. European royalty.

Moving onwards and away.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Can cartoon characters even have a "race"?

Someone tried to tell me I couldn't cosplay as Woody because he is White. I thought he was CG/Plastic.

Woody is a toy modeled after a white cowboy voiced by Tom Hanks. Go as Jafar and shut up and be happy.

 

[Dark Octave]

Well it actually reflects in children what they consider beautiful. There's a well known study, you can google it where little girls are given barbies and asked which is the most beautiful, they keep picking the blonde blue-eyed white barbie despite their own racial heritage. It's kind of sad too, they don't consider all of the barbies beautiful but that specific one because they're inundated with imagery that leads them to that conclusion.

Yup. I couldn't agree more. It's really sad. We simply need more diversity in media, be it movies, cartoons, games and commercials (commercials I've seen are pretty diverse though). If the world is using your product then it does make a difference and it does matter.

 

[Dark Octave]

Wait...so she is based on being Spanish? Well fuck off then she looks fine for Spanish royalty and this has zero to do with latino. European royalty.

Moving onwards and away.

Oh she's Spanish? Well, this is how they look right?

 

[tenchir]

Wait...so she is based on being Spanish? Well fuck off then she looks fine for Spanish royalty and this has zero to do with latino. European royalty.

Moving onwards and away.

I think the reason this is a big deal is because someone at Disney said this Princess is a "Latina". That term is causing a backlash among latinos because of her complexion.

 

[Dark Octave]

I think the reason this is a big deal is because someone at Disney said this Princess is a "Latina". That term is causing a backlash among latinos because of her complexion.

Ah. Disney needs to just come out and admit to the mistake the person made, then actually plan and develop a movie starring a latina princess.

Not because of this, but because they probably should anyway.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

I think the reason this is a big deal is because someone at Disney said this Princess is a "Latina". That term is causing a backlash among latinos because of her complexion.

You can be latino and from Spain but that basically just makes her another white european princess, which we have more than enough of.

 

[Darth Pinche]

Case in point: Guillermo del Toro.

The fact that Guillermo del Toro's photo is quoted in a thread about Latina princesses is hilarious to me. But a good post since there are many Latinos/Hispanics with light hair eye complexion.

 

[Pau]

Even though I'm one of the whitest Hispanics you'll meet (to the point where people tell me I can't possibly be Hispanic and other shitty things erasing my identity), I do think it's more important for girls to be able to see a wider variety of what is considered beautiful and who's "important enough" to be a protagonist/princess. So while being pale doesn't make her any less Latina, this was definitely a missed opportunity and I would love to see a Hispanic princess for girls who rarely ever get to see someone who looks like them in this type of media.

Of course the real issue is that we're asking for one image to represent a group of very diverse people and the solution to that seems to be to acknowledge the fact and just make more characters. There's a bunch of European princesses so why does there have to be just one token representation of every other race or ethnicity?

 

[bjork]

I wonder if her design is based on testing.

Very probably.

 

[charsace]

Whiter skin is considered to be more attractive to spanish speaking people.

The fact that Guillermo del Toro's photo is quoted in a thread about Latina princesses is hilarious to me. But a good post since there are many Latinos/Hispanics with light hair eye complexion.

You mean that there are white, black and native Latinos right?

 

[KillGore]

I'm Hispanic/Latino and I'm white

What is the difference between Latin and Hispanic?

Latino usually refers to people in the americas who come from countries where they speak romance language (Spanish, Portuguese and French) and has Spanish/French/Portuguese ancestry. Hispanic usually refers to people in the americas who speak spanish/come from spanish ancestry.

 

[Anticitizen One]

Why is this a big deal? Oh right this is the country thats about to let Mitt Romney take over the White House

 

[Zoe]

Whiter skin is considered to be more attractive to people.

Fixed.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

Whiter skin is considered to be more attractive to spanish speaking people.

to all people you mean and there's a reason for that.

 

[Frankenstrat]

The mother looks Latino, but the dad and kids don't.

Femshep playing Cinderella though? :/

Wow, this looks bad. Just, bad.

 

[Dark Octave]

Even though I'm one of the whitest Hispanics you'll meet (to the point where people tell me I can't possibly be Hispanic and other shitty things erasing my identity), I do think it's more important for girls to be able to see a wider variety of what is considered beautiful and who's "important enough" to be a protagonist/princess. So while being pale doesn't make her any less Latina, this was definitely a missed opportunity and I would love to see a Hispanic princess for girls who rarely ever get to see someone who looks like them in this type of media.

Of course the real issue is that we're asking for one image to represent a group of very diverse people and the solution to that seems to be to acknowledge the fact and just make more characters. There's a bunch of European princesses so why does there have to be just one token representation of every other race or ethnicity?

If that avatar is you, then I can tell right away you are some hispanic by your eyes.

Spoiler

I know I'm smooth as silk but I'm already taken, girl

 

[charsace]

Fixed.

to all people you mean and there's a reason for that.

I didn't want to say it. Its the truth though. Most of the black latinos I know don't considered themselves to be black even though they are. The white ones usually think of themselves as being white though.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

You know what, I'm just glad the villain in that pic doesn't look like Cheech. Minor victory.

 

[Xun]

Who gives a shit? Seriously.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

They should have called her Hispanic,or Spanish then.

 

[charsace]

Even though I'm one of the whitest Hispanics you'll meet (to the point where people tell me I can't possibly be Hispanic and other shitty things erasing my identity), I do think it's more important for girls to be able to see a wider variety of what is considered beautiful and who's "important enough" to be a protagonist/princess. So while being pale doesn't make her any less Latina, this was definitely a missed opportunity and I would love to see a Hispanic princess for girls who rarely ever get to see someone who looks like them in this type of media.

Of course the real issue is that we're asking for one image to represent a group of very diverse people and the solution to that seems to be to acknowledge the fact and just make more characters. There's a bunch of European princesses so why does there have to be just one token representation of every other race or ethnicity?

They probably focus tested and this is the one that people liked the most.

 

[Dark Octave]

Who gives a shit? Seriously.

Of course you wouldn't.

 

[KillGore]

If that avatar is you, then I can tell right away you are some hispanic by your eyes.

Spoiler

I know I'm smooth as silk but I'm already taken, girl

Well, brown eyes and hair doesn't necessarily mean she's hispanic. She could have some middle-eastern in her. Anyways, she's definitely whiter than the stereotypical hispanic person lol

 

[Zoe]

I didn't want to say it. Its the truth though. Most of the black latinos I know don't considered themselves to be black even though they are. The white ones usually think of themselves as being white though.

Well it's not just about looks. It tends to be a social thing--people get darker from more manual labor outdoors.

Sometimes being more tanned is desired because that means you're free to lounge around outside.

 

[Dark Octave]

Well, brown eyes and hair doesn't necessarily mean she's hispanic. She could have some middle-eastern in her. Anyways, she's definitely whiter than the stereotypical hispanic person lol

I never said anything about the color. It's the shape. She just has that "look", but yeah, I do see what you mean. Yeah she could be middle eastern.

 

[Seth C]

From that picture, if one had no information before hand, one can easily assume the adult female is new to the family and the show is about the kids dealing with a new mother. Disney has made new princesses before. Why would they do it this way is what I'm wondering. Why just a latina mother as well? No father or brother and sisters of the same background? Fantasy setting? *shakes head*

Well they can't really have a story set in Latin America until that community provides them a mythology to completely rip off.

 

[KillGore]

I never said anything about the color. It's the shape. She just has that "look", but yeah, I do see what you mean.

No, I get what you mean, and you're right. If she's on our part of the hemisphere she would automatically be labeled hispanic, or better yet, hispanic descent but if she were on the other side of the hemisphere, then it would be another story.

 

[KtSlime]

I think the reason this is a big deal is because someone at Disney said this Princess is a "Latina". That term is causing a backlash among latinos because of her complexion.

Yeah, my guess is Jamie Mitchell simply put his foot in his mouth, and referred to her as "Latina", when it appears the official Spokesperson had said that Sophia's mother was from a country with "Latin influence", which would be much of Southern Europe, in particular Spain. But I don't have all day to read all of Disney's press releases to find out what their goal with this character and background are.

 

[Baconsaurus Rex]

This whole Latino archetype doesn't make sense when you take a look at the clarification of the Latino ethnicity
"Like non-Latinos, a Latino can be of any race or combination of races: White/Caucasian, Black/African American, Asian, Native American, Native Hawaiian/Other Pacific Islander American, or two or more races."

Sofia is Latino if she's from Latin-America, no matter if she had green skin and purple hair.

 

[Spat_triate]

Latina

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

Way to conservatively dressed for the furries.

 

[Link1110]

I always thought Jasmine from Aladdin was "Hispanic" Latina looking

when I was a kid....

just a thought

I thought of Jasmine reading this thread because Agrabah is a fictitious country too. Middle Easterners and Latinos

 

[shintoki]

Best Latina princess will forever be the girl from El Dorado.

Man knows what's up.

 

[charsace]

Yeah, my guess is Jamie Mitchell simply put his foot in his mouth, and referred to her as "Latina", when it appears the official Spokesperson had said that Sophia's mother was from a country with "Latin influence", which would be much of Southern Europe, in particular Spain. But I don't have all day to read all of Disney's press releases to find out what their goal with this character and background are.

People from Spain don't considered themselves to be Latino. Latin is a term used for spanish speaking people from places close to the US.

 

[Pau]

They probably focus tested and this is the one that people liked the most.

That in itself is a symptom of stuff that's already been discussed in this thread, and honestly I feel like choosing this design just continues the cycle. Although of course it's hard to say without seeing the other designs. It'd be interesting if they released them.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

There's something terribly wrong with society when there are certain ethnic/racial qualifications for a new Disney princess

"Ok we've got an Asian, Middle-Eastern, Native American, African-American and a fair variety of Caucasian princesses. I feel like we're forgetting something."

Creating a character specifically for an ethnic group to relate to is only reachable with a fair share of stereotyping, which I consider to be a pretty bad thing when you think about it. Are children really asking for "their own" character instead of just dreaming to be a Snow White or a Sleeping Beauty? Or is it just that parents have noticed that they're underrepresented by Disney in the realm of fairy tales, all the while their children don't really care and just want to play and have fun.

Because people bitch, moan and shout racism if they don't do different ethnicities.
that was all I remember hearing before Princess and the Frog.