Xplatformer
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True. And it's Windows on ARM. Not just Windows. User base is going to be small for awhile (compared to iOS devices). iOS software developers are going to need to see a justification for porting to RT.
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True. And it's Windows on ARM. Not just Windows. User base is going to be small for awhile (compared to iOS devices). iOS software developers are going to need to see a justification for porting to RT.
MrGreencastle
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They play fine. Only format I couldn't play was FLAC for audio and .Mkv for video. Not the biggest deal, but I haven't found a media playing app that will handle those just yet.
The RT is good enough for so much stuff, I'm actually reconsidering whether I'd need the Pro. Most people won't need/want to pay >$1000 for a tablet.
Xplatformer
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I think most people will concur. While the Pro model might sell, I don't see moving anywhere near the # that the RT model will once the apps are there and once the OS (Windows RT) has matured.
Ninja Scooter
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The RT is much more likely to be a success and will probably handily outsell the Pro. If they did Pro model only the entire concept and Windows 8 as a tablet OS would have been DOA.
yup pro model is a great option but I think a lot of people (including myself) will be a little bit wary. If i'm spending that much money on it it will probably be more of a laptop replacement rather than a tablet... and I'm not sure how durable/usable the kick stand will be. The fact that it's non adjustable and will require hard surfaces makes me question how useful it will be to me.
RT on the other hand is clearly meant to supplement your desktop/laptop rather than replace it. Not only that it's a lot cheaper and I won't be surprised if a lot of people don't realize the difference between Windows 8/RT on the surface.
RT on the other hand is clearly meant to supplement your desktop/laptop rather than replace it. Not only that it's a lot cheaper and I won't be surprised if a lot of people don't realize the difference between Windows 8/RT on the surface.
killer rin
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The only reason I want the pro model is for the digitizer(for notes) and Photoshop(for something else to use the digitizer on)
Swipe from right, go to settings. Bottom where it says screen tap it and then tap the screen icon. It should show a lock and the screen won't rotate.
Great! thanks.
Same.... I am actually much more interested in a second gen surface RT now. Something that keeps the same basic form factor but ads in the 1080p screen, pen input from pro and a beefed up cpu/gpu (whatever the hot arm processor is a year from now).
By then hopefully the issues with some of the apps not supporting RT will be gone (games especially... the biggest flaw for me so far is the xbox games on surface. Toy soldiers is not even in the arm app store and games like hydro thunder don't run well with maxed graphics)
Yes. It's called Complete or something.
I bought it for my Surface. $99 and it's exactly the same as apple care, 2 years and 2 replacements for 50 each. Doesn't cover loss either.
Sometimes I have some misclicking problems using IE... usually problems with inputting login/passwords... just now, I simply was not able to input my login/password on a website and just gave up. As soon as the virtual keyboard would come up, it would pop back down. Repeat many times.
HollovVpo1nt
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Just re-watched the Surface launch event. Wow at at the thought and detail put into this device. Panos Panay is a great presenter. It really was a delight to watch and it's nice to see the enthousiasm of the presenters regarding the device and their natural way of presenting. It has this informal vibe which I love.
Are there any good videos of it? All the ones I find are all like 360P.
HollovVpo1nt
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Thanks
Betta Lines
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He reminds me of a salesman demoing a shamwow in a shopping mall. Very engaging, well practiced, hurling lots of chat at you very fast. Which is not really a bad thing I guess. But that's my feelings on the matter.
HollovVpo1nt
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To me, it shows dedication and interest. For example, in high school, I had a talk about 'multimedia' for Dutch class. I had so much passion for the subject that I gave the talk without preparing for it, without stuttering or pauses like 'uhm' etc. Like I said, because of the passion I have for the subject. I think people can relate to this. As long as you work with what makes you happy and geniounely excited, you can demo like he did. I know that, because I've had a similair experience.
Just watched the keynote and thought it was great but to fast.
I know he did a live drop test but it was a hollow, carpeted stage. Still it was a live droptest.
If you're going to go up against the ipad then why is the camera and screen worse FFS?
They're the only two things that have stopped me buying this as an early Christmas present.
BUT I will say one thing, the surface and new windows phone 8 could seriously pull me off my ipad and iphone and make the switch purely because of the direction apple is taking.
Competition is exactly what apple need, as my wife puts it," Apple are getting to big for their boots lately!"
I know he did a live drop test but it was a hollow, carpeted stage. Still it was a live droptest.
If you're going to go up against the ipad then why is the camera and screen worse FFS?
They're the only two things that have stopped me buying this as an early Christmas present.
BUT I will say one thing, the surface and new windows phone 8 could seriously pull me off my ipad and iphone and make the switch purely because of the direction apple is taking.
Competition is exactly what apple need, as my wife puts it," Apple are getting to big for their boots lately!"
the metro platform is built to be easily cross platform between windows rt and windows 8. It doesnt matter if windows rt starts off slow, it has real windows backing it.
Betta Lines
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They made it as perfect as possible apparently.
Green Embers
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Oh sweet! Thanks for the link
I'd appreciate it if you can post your impressions if you ever give remote debugging to it a try.
Alrighty, so got it up and running. Worked pretty easy.
I used this link, which I think is a bit better than my original one.
But essentially you download a remote monitoring tool for ARM onto the Surface. Then in visual studio you set it up for a remote monitor machine, hit the debug with Remote Device as your target.
On the Surface it will have some security prompts and you'll need to get a developer license/confirm. Then it will just run. All works pretty smoothly.
Here are some screenshots taken from my Surface of my app:
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=829D25E3557FA2B8!413&authkey=!ABFmBBxnOvdmEzw
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=829D25E3557FA2B8!412&authkey=!AOsJKhzHuz7334E
https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=829D25E3557FA2B8!414&authkey=!AF9-3Lfy956C300
Sorry about the links, couldn't figure out how to get the IMG thingy to work with SkyDrive. :/
I expect that surface 2 will fix this but so will every other tablet.
This is MS moneybags we're talking about so why skimp on two of the things that make a huge impact as soon as you try one.
I just don't understand why.
If I had to guess: Higher res -> Needs more power -> Performance is sometimes iffy as is -> lots of more expensive parts.
I asked on the last page but no one answered me: Does the MS Store support PayPal. I want to buy the surface but I don't have a credit card.
Seriously why the fuck is the Surface not in any retail stores? There are only 4 MS stores in Canada and they're all in provinces I don't live in.
Seriously why the fuck is the Surface not in any retail stores? There are only 4 MS stores in Canada and they're all in provinces I don't live in.
Yep, it supports Pay Pal.
Yes
Kung Fu Jedi
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One question for those who already own the Surface and have been using it. Yesterday while playing with it in the store I fired up Internet Explorer and surfed a few websites, but they all looked blown way up on the screen. Went to ESPN for example and it was almost as if IE wasn't scaling the site for the screen. Jumped to a couple of other sites, and saw something similar. Anyone else experience this? Is there an option to switch the scaling on or something?
browser was just zoomed in.
There weren't any chipsets capable of driving a resolution of 1080p, much less one as high as the iPad's.
Kung Fu Jedi
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How do you un-zoom? I tried to use the pinch-to-zoom options, but it had no effect. Also, IE wasn't launched before I started playing with the device. The default page came up fine, but when I surfed elsewhere, it started showing the unscaled pages.
ctrl - or go to settings
I'm not sure this is what you're asking, but swipe from the right with a browser open, then select Settings > Internet Options. That's where you'll find the zoom options.
Edit: Or do what Windu says hah.
Kung Fu Jedi
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So it doesn't scale naturally or is there something in the settings that can be turned off? Seems odd that it wouldn't just naturally scale to the screen szie.
I see. I'l do that if I have issues when I get my own Surface.
Xplatformer
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So, Firefox is available through the Microsoft Store?
StudioTan
Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
They are working on a ModernUI browser for full Win8 but it's still in beta. There is no RT version that I'm aware of but I don't know if they're working on one.
Reposting this from the Windows 8 thread, I found this app that some of you might find useful if it's there on the RT store:
http://apps.microsoft.com/webpdp/en-us/app/toolbox-for-windows-8/70e5e6af-017c-47e4-923b-db71bd9110ba
Yeah it's there (if you check details, you'll see it supports ARM). I downloaded it but haven't tried it yet.
MrGreencastle
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If you check supported processors under the details pane, it says ARM is supported - so it will be in the RT store.
The app looks silly, in my opinion, though.
Also, as far as I'm aware, Microsoft does not allow browsers in the Windows Store (unless they are just using a custom wrapper around IE's engine).
StudioTan
Hold on, friend! I'd love to share with you some swell news about the Windows 8 Metro UI! Wait, where are you going?
That's what they're doing it seems but I thought some people would find it useful since you can split the browsers 50:50.
MrGreencastle
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Ah, yes. That is an interesting feature. I'll play around with it, but a lot of the tools are kind of useless and duplicate the functionality that already exists on the Start screen. To each their own I suppose! It's definitely a quality app, all things considered, though.
Works perfectly smoothly for me, constantly scrolls at 60fps, loads content quickly too.
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