Considering one of the few quotes in the OP specifically compares it to Sony's pretty games, no, not really.
Digital Foundry -- Halo 4 Tech Analysis
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Actually Gears 3 doesnt do many things that U3 or KZ 3 does.
And what do You call linear? KZ 3 has quite big environments that You can navigate with jet pack for example, yeah, its more narrow, but Halo has many narrow spaces too and multiplayer is limited space all along and yet nothing new in terms of effects comes out of it.
I dont really buy empty space as performance limit and actually most of the stuff You are probably think about in terms of scale in Halo is calculated by CPU and it does not differ that much from what Halo 3 was doing.
BTW Killzone increased fidelity and improved tech and then made environments and battles bigger, without almost any sacrifices [even though i think that per pixel object motion blur adds a lot], yet Halo 4 have similar battles in scope to Reach and cut so many features back.
And about Resistance to do know now why they've decided to go route of their Ratchet and Clank res tech, which is not simple 960x704 upscaled to 720p, but they are using MSAA to upscale it somehow, dont really remember how though, ive read about it quite long time ago. Still, I dont like the effect too
If I remember...
Gears 3 has self shadowing
High Quality Object Based Motion Blur
Camera Based Motion Blur
SSAO
God Rays
Yeah. Beat it.
Felt like a ultra polished COD campaign to me. The mech parts seemed a little bit more open IMO.
Sure most games have baked shadows but they also mix in real-time ones. The top tier looking games all use that combination. I'm not expecting 100% GI here but Halo's shadows all look pre-baked as they don't interact with moving objects and characters at all. It's using the same technique as all Insomniac games.
Yea, but that was a statement that XB360 now has its own supreme cake and can eat it too and that's that. This thread has pretty much devolved into scrutinizing and blowing up faults of games in comparison to make other one/s look better. Back and forth. Looks like appreciating technical achievements in vacuum or in simple co-habitation is not possible.
I'm not that sure about those but I don't know, personally. In any case, the light system in UE3 is really cheap.
How you can say area are restricted corridors then? :\ It's completely false.
I drink Halo ale deep but you drank something found floating down at he creek. Put the mug down.
How come? They were blatantly obvious...
dragonbane
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Until the next game by Kojima or Beyond Two Souls comes out. Yeah blahNoInteractivityblahMovieGames, but since we are only talking about real time cutscenes here, I think those two games will probably look better.
Because you mention SSAO, motion blur etc etc but with that system light it's very easy give the space to others specs.
Because there lots of sections of K3 where I couldn't venture off the beaten path. That's corridor design 101. It looks pretty... I just can't go there.
The UC3 corridor stuff is funny. When I played as young Drake the control is taken away from you and makes you go back to where you are supposed to go if you venture off the beaten path.
Because the only other game on Xbox 360 with those 3 checklists is Crysis 1 & 2 on console.
It's a difficult thing to parch I guess. Obviously there are some fanboys who only care about 'their' system winning, but there also people who are just interested in the technical comparisons I think.
Personally, I want to know which system is more capable. I don't know why, but it's interesting to me, maybe because despite of all the positioning and shit talk from the fanbases, and first parties themselves, neither system has really excelled beyond the other. I thought Sony had, I was pretty confident at this point that the PS3 was technically superior, as it's been a few years since the 360 had anything graphically impressive to me. Not that it makes any difference to the platform, certainly Halo Reach as a game completely outclasses both KZs and GoW3 for me, but Halo 4 really stunned me visually.
I think it's the first generation where it's really difficult to tell. The N64 and Xbox were both so far ahead of their peers that it was blatant, and as far as I remember, there was considerably less smack talk between users during that period. I think the fact it's closer is what makes it more venomous actually.
They were obvious. The lighting in Gears 3 is the best seen on console so far.
Sorry but the last time I have played Halo, corridor area are in, too. If you are talking to play more like a 'free roam', yes Halo gives more that feeling, but not means kz3 are only corridors. To be honest, I remember the corridor only in the last levels (like Halo).
Raitosaito
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Even if we forget the graphics race, this game's art is so good. My god, it makes me realize even though I can run a game with immaculate IQ on a PC at the end of the day you still want developers to invest in the look of the game just as much as they are pushing on the technical side.
Like I said... KZ3 is more akin to COD in design with ultra polish & significantly much better graphics. There's really nothing wrong with it. But trying to design a game like Halo, Crysis, or Far Cry with a 720p framebuffer is going to come with compromises.
Next Gen will level the playing field. Watch Dogs is easily comparable to the best looking linear games.
IcyRhythms
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I'm not a Halo fan. I would not buy a 360 to play just this one game in Halo 4. What I can say is, what 343 has done with Halo 4 is more impressive than some other games mentioned here. Larger in scale while still keeping a (do I say it? Yeah I say it because console only owners have accepted it for years)playable framerate and it looks absolutely amazing for a console game. God of War 3 was my king, but I have a feeling if I played Halo 4 at this very moment, that would change quickly based on scale alone.
A ghost being exploded in a open area, one piece rolling has pop-in shadow. Wow.. talk about nitpicking.
always the same guys.. lol
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In case anyone was wondering, splitscreen gets some pretty harsh framerate drops in the 3rd level (the purple canyon area). The controls felt awful when it dropped.
I suspect areas with a lot of geometry that don't fall under the split-screen LOD pass fuck it up.
I suspect areas with a lot of geometry that don't fall under the split-screen LOD pass fuck it up.
XtremeXpider
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UC3 have a lot of scripted gameplay, you can't deny it.
That looks terrible.
I was going to buy it, but that's just too extreme for my liking.
Most games do it.
I beg to differ. It's just matter of details scaling, no more. Compromises ever exist.
Lion Heart
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No its not, KZ has actual AI unlike COD. You have to move because they will flank you, COD is stop and pop, whack a mole gameplay.
One of these games is not like the other. Hint, its Halo. Far Cry (especially 2, dont know about 3) and Crysis are MUCH more open, hell FC2 IS an open world game.
Halo 4 is linear.
Until I see a game of those designs with all bell & whistles of linear games in 720p with an optimal framerate on this generation of consoles... I'll stand by what I say.
Open sandbox gameplay actually. Like Crysis.
Don't mistake that for open world gameplay.
XtremeXpider
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Like what I said above, developers just scaling the engine.
Oh, yeah:
It looks "cheap".
But it is cheap, not use any sort of deferred tech or HDR.
Baconsammy
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Could post pics of Enslaved as well to show how "cheap" UE3 games are. Or Bulletstorm. That game is as good looking as most anything released this gen, and its fun as hell.
It's not bad. But it is an eye sore if you've seen games with higher resolution transparencies on PS3. You can't have everything on console. And those explosions are really low res.
You can be surprised how it can ruin the illusion.
Funny how FXAA managed to slip in Mass Effect 3 and not Gears of War 3... lol
While the effects are "cheap" it certainly looks better on the eyes compared to Crysis on console. There's that smoke and mirrors again with console exclusives. Got to give and take if you want better performance.
Backfoggen
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Threw the game right in the trash what an ugly piece of shit.
XtremeXpider
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We need more bullshots xD
not_so_special
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dont wanna be that guy but kz3 still looks better,halo 4 is on the same league now and thats good
its not farcry but is not cod either
Or you know, anti-aliasing...
gaming_noob
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Gears 3 :bow
XtremeXpider
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You means UE4 maybe.
Worked wonders for Mass Effect 3. Gears 3 had a extra year for polish and Epic still refused to put it in. the new Gears game isn't using AA either...
Halo 4 looks awesome, but i think dyamic environmental shadows would greatly add to the visuals. It looks weird in the forest stage where you dont see any tree canopy shadows casting onto your gun and enemy models.
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I don't understand how you can play GTA4 and say that any technical aspect of that game is in any way impressive.
Well, as I said, I don't know technically, but it has a stronger visual impact to me.
I apologize.Was a joke...
I actually think Gears 2 had AA if I remember correctly. It was shitty AA, but at least it was there, at times. UC3 was a step back image quality wise too.
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It mirrors the field of depth for high speed effects, it looks good in Killzone, having a high res with no distinction of depth or motion blur would have been worse.
That smoke effect was also all on Polyphony rushing GT5, they never had any kind of massive graphical glitches & problems before in their series.
What a dumb post.
It is not realistic to have low res alpha effects, nor does it add anything to "ambiance"
What is next, are you going to complain about PC games being too "angular"?
It has nothing to do with rushing it, the PS3 lacks bandwidth and fillrate for the res it runs games at compared to the PS2.
Ehhh... That smoke effect was due to PS3 not having enough bandwitdh, and lack of RAM.
PD did all they could do actually.