Halo 4 Story Spoilers and Speculations

wwm0nkey said:
In the books Chakas (343 GS) thinks he knows where the Librarian is at, she could very well be alive.
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Chakas, who is a dead guy himself (well, he's many dead guys now... uh...)

Alienshogun said:
Dani, I TOLD YOU THAT WASN"T HALSEY!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
now that that's out of the way, just beat the game on legendary solo. Really, really loved the legendary ending. It's like a dealer giving you a little hit of what you've been begging for, but not enough to "satisfy" the fiend.
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How... why... how and why did you get addicted to seeing some developmentally disabled guy's face?
Also, why would you even care about getting this "fix", if you know that it would change radically depending on the medium it's shown in, or even on the number on the cover.
You should just go ahead and search for some random aging ginger fellas on OkCupid. It's sure to prove far more "satisfying".
 
Ein Soph Aur said:
2) The Didact mutated himself further to try and become immune to Flood infection.

3) The Didact was the commander of the entire Forerunner military. The Librarian was the most powerful Lifeworker, a Forerunner rate which specializes in all livings things and medicine. The third Forerunner was the Master Builder who later created the Halo Array. At the time, the Master Builder was the most powerful Forerunner in terms of politcal power and influence.
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Thanks, this is really informative.

wwm0nkey said:
In the books Chakas (343 GS) thinks he knows where the Librarian is at, she could very well be alive.
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But didn't The Librarian say Didact is the last living thing in the universe?

..unless shit is real crazy and she's holed herself up somewhere outside of it.
 
Alienshogun said:
Dani, I TOLD YOU THAT WASN"T HALSEY!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
now that that's out of the way, just beat the game on legendary solo. Really, really loved the legendary ending. It's like a dealer giving you a little hit of what you've been begging for, but not enough to "satisfy" the fiend.
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We must be brothers, Shogun. Felt the same way.
 
dragonelite said:
I think it just a re imaging of the suit and i personally will keep it at that for my own sanity :p
Like they changed the covenant models better that way new team new style.
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But i thought that it wasn't a retcon because Cortana had upgraded the armour to look how it does now? If it's how you say it is that would mean every version of MJOLNIR is wrong.
 
enzo_gt said:
3) So the Didact and The Librarian are the two head honchos of the Forerunner in their time or what? Who was the third dude mediating discussion?
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Funny how that is. The Didact and the Librarian belong to the two lowest rates in the Forerunner caste system: warrior and lifeworker, respectively.

Inorigo said:
He's a Spartan-II. All the ones aboard Infinity (including Commander Palmer) are Spartan-IVs. They're not as tall.
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Or as awesome.
 
Regarding any Cortana future, as with many, I'll sure miss her. But the ending was powerful and I assume a catalyst for John/MC to possibly start becoming more human, more social in the next games...and perhaps think more independently of military command. Defying Del Rio regarding Cortana (and the Didact) seems like the start of something bigger.

If somehow there is a reconstituted Cortana (the Cortana) that might be dramatic in how they reuinte, but there at very least needs to be some time to explore how MC deals with her absence. His right-at-the-end realization of how important she was to him was as potent as her more outright affection.

Very interested to see where they go with this.
 
BuckRobotron said:
Regarding any Cortana future, as with many, I'll sure miss her. But the ending was powerful and I assume a catalyst for John/MC to possibly start becoming more human, more social in the next games...and perhaps think more independently of military command. Defying Del Rio regarding Cortana (and the Didact) seems like the start of something bigger.

If somehow there is a reconstituted Cortana (the Cortana) that might be dramatic in how they reuinte, but there at very least needs to be some time to explore how MC deals with her absence. His right-at-the-end realization of how important she was to him was as potent as her more outright affection.

Very interested to see where they go with this.
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I really wasn't a fan of this games MC. Talked too much and felt too much. He's meant to be a weapon, not a person.
 
LiK said:
He's learning to be more human than machine. The new direction!
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This saddens me. It was the first Halo game were I didn't feel like I was the Chief, something Bungie did really well. I just hope it doesn't become too much of a drama and the MC being a dramatic girl.
 
7he Talon said:
This saddens me. It was the first Halo game were I didn't feel like I was the Chief, something Bungie did really well. I just hope it doesn't become too much of a drama and the MC being a dramatic girl.
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I don't think he'll be hosting a futuristic Avon party any time soon. Just having a modicum more to say in general, not just walking by almost everyone without a word will be welcome.
 
With them delving so much in the military complex, it would be weird to see John not react to what has happened in his past. Same goes for his relationship Cortana, him feeling nothing or showing no emotion for what happened to her would be the most bizarre thing ever.

There are tons of things the game doesn’t do right, but one of the few areas that I felt it did push enough forward was story and characters. Even though I feel that they should have explained everything in the main game, without resorting to putting in Terminals.
 
Chief in HALO 1 - HALO 3:

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HALO 4 - Chief:

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7he Talon said:
This saddens me. It was the first Halo game were I didn't feel like I was the Chief, something Bungie did really well. I just hope it doesn't become too much of a drama and the MC being a dramatic girl.
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you do know there is a middle ground between mute and dramatic girl right? in the books chief had a personality, he wasn't just a weapon. everyone complains that shooters are nothing more than bald space marines shooting things, and then when a developer changes their main character from being a bald space marine shooting things to something with some personality, it's a bad thing..

..only on GAF

also, Bungie did nothing well after CE
 
the Legendary ending was somewhat disappointing IMO, when compared to Halo 3's that shows Requiem and lets you know something completely different lies ahead of John

starting my 2nd play through tonight, hopefully the last 1/3rd of the game makes more sense then it did the first time through. Still wish we had some levels like The Ark or The Covenant in regards to combat scenarios, doubt it will get near the replays i put into 3, but definitely more then i did Halo 2
 
Clint Beastwood said:
also, Bungie did nothing well after CE
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Come on, son. The ending to Halo 3 was the perfect ending for Chief. The stoic - now legendary hero, going back to slumber eternally, waiting for the call to save the day again.

Chief was stoic, not a dudebro. He had a sense of humor in the other games. His banter with Cortana was perfect. Their relationship didn't need to be something said out loud, it was very much the underlying, unspoken relationship between them.

HALO 3's 'There's two of us in here now.. remember?' moment was better than any interaction they had in HALO 4. The music and EXTERNAL factors imposted onto their interactions made characterised them.

'I've waited SO long to do that.'

'Cortana, please...'

This isn't Bold and Beautiful. Yikes.
 
Clint Beastwood said:
you do know there is a middle ground between mute and dramatic girl right? in the books chief had a personality, he wasn't just a weapon. everyone complains that shooters are nothing more than bald space marines shooting things, and then when a developer changes their main character from being a bald space marine shooting things to something with some personality, it's a bad thing..

..only on GAF

also, Bungie did nothing well after CE
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But Master Chief doesn't really have a personality and if that's them trying to give him one in Halo 4, they failed. The books such as FoR were just giving back story. the purpose wasn't to give MC a personality and make him care.

I disagree, I think Bungie did most things right with the Halo story, especially with 3.

Scullibundo said:
Come on, son. The ending to Halo 3 was the perfect ending for Chief. The stoic - now legendary hero, going back to slumber eternally, waiting for the call to save the day again.

Chief was stoic, not a dudebro. He had a sense of humor in the other games. His banter with Cortana was perfect. Their relationship didn't need to be something said out loud, it was very much the underlying, unspoken relationship between them.

HALO 3's 'There's two of us in here now.. remember?' moment was better than any interaction they had in HALO 4. The music and EXTERNAL factors imposted onto their interactions made characterised them.

'I've waited SO long to do that.'

'Cortana, please...'

This isn't Bold and Beautiful. Yikes.
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Pretty much hits the nail on the head.
 
TheOddOne said:
With them delving so much in the military complex, it would be weird to see John not react to what has happened in his past. Same goes for his relationship Cortana, him feeling nothing or showing no emotion for what happened to her would be the most bizarre thing ever.
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Can't wait for the posttraumatic stress disorder QTE. It's only some 40 years late.

TheOddOne said:
There are tons of things the game doesn’t do right, but one of the few areas that I felt it did push enough forward was story and characters.
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Except now 99% of those characters have gone rampant and "died" and 343 has yet to prove that they're able to replace even a walking one-liner dispenser like Sgt. Johnson.
 
I haven't been following this thread too much.

Can somebody explain to me why Cortana's emerging out of the light-bridge and physically restraining Didact wasn't absolutely ridiculous in a Fonzie-jumping shark way? Or is it something I should just roll with and forget about like Didact's telekinesis ability.

Because both of those seemed like very lazy/convenient narrative devices.
 
Scullibundo said:
I haven't been following this thread too much.

Can somebody explain to me why Cortana's emerging out of the light-bridge and physically restraining Didact wasn't absolutely ridiculous in a Fonzie-jumping shark way? Or is it something I should just roll with and forget about like Didact's telekinesis ability.

Because both of those seemed like very lazy/convenient narrative devices.
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The best explanation I have is that she was able to do that because she spread her fragmented parts across the ship, allowing her to control the light bridge. Its not that far-fetched considering people can walk on those things.
 
Scullibundo said:
Come on, son. The ending to Halo 3 was the perfect ending for Chief. The stoic - now legendary hero, going back to slumber eternally, waiting for the call to save the day again.

Chief was stoic, not a dudebro. He had a sense of humor in the other games. His banter with Cortana was perfect. Their relationship didn't need to be something said out loud, it was very much the underlying, unspoken relationship between them.

HALO 3's 'There's two of us in here now.. remember?' moment was better than any interaction they had in HALO 4. The music and EXTERNAL factors imposted onto their interactions made characterised them.

'I've waited SO long to do that.'

'Cortana, please...'

This isn't Bold and Beautiful. Yikes.
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uh, no. it wasn't even better than the example you gave.

nothing in Halo 3 was good, especially nothing in the 10 minutes that Cortana and Chief had to interact.
 
Clint Beastwood said:
uh, no. it wasn't even better than the example you gave.

nothing in Halo 3 was good, especially nothing in the 10 minutes that Cortana and Chief had to interact.
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Eh, that line was pretty good imo. But the chief/cortana relationship in halo 4 is miles better than in any previous games, it's also told in a much better way.

Actually, in general, story in halo 4 is told miles better than any of the bungie halo's. Bungie Halo games always felt like something that they didn't want to be related to any of the books.

Halo 4 is the exact opposite, and I freaking love that. 434i is probably the best thing to ever happen to halo, for the people that love the whole halo universe, and don't just like the games for the shoot bang aspect.
 
I went back and watched the H2 cutscenes last night, and it astonishes me that people are saying H4's story even comes close, let alone is better. The plot of 4 simply oozes melodrama, the characters are all one-dimensional, there's plot holes all over the place, too often the writers relied on an improbable deus ex machina, and half the key concepts in play weren't even explained in game.

The story of 4 was something I didn't really have high hopes for, given 343i's previous handling of lore with Karen Traviss (may she be infected by the Flood), but they managed to flop even below that. Late in the game I got killed a couple times because I was standing around trying to figure out what the hell was even going on.

Huge disappointment.
 
7he Talon said:
I really wasn't a fan of this games MC. Talked too much and felt too much. He's meant to be a weapon, not a person.
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It's sort of how it is in the older games. MC wasn't a character, he was just a guy you played as. Now it's bringing in his backstory and showing who he is, which is really not that interesting at all IMO. Unless they do something to change him, he's basically a 12 year old with military training. His logic is very linear and predictable, he either always follows orders or protects Cortana no matter what the cost.
 
LAUGHTREY said:
It's sort of how it is in the older games. MC wasn't a character, he was just a guy you played as. Now it's bringing in his backstory and showing who he is, which is really not that interesting at all IMO. Unless they do something to change him, he's basically a 12 year old with military training. His logic is very linear and predictable, he either always follows orders or protects Cortana no matter what the cost.
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no
 
spootime said:
Except waypoint lists Palmer at like 6'9 240lbs
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPmBT08zcc4 uhhh spoiler I guess?

pause at 1:24 unless there's some weird perspective thing going on she's a damn child compared to him

what's the point of calling Spartan IV's, Spartans? that's what I don't get. Why bother? they aren't half as effective as the II's, Chief alone is probably more effective than everyone else on that ship combined. The franchise is slowly eroding the legendary status of the Spartans (which for me was one of the only things it had going for it) :/, pretty soon they'll just regular Marines with cooler armor
 
Darkmakaimura said:
I wonder if we'll ever find out more about this thing. I just came across it today, saw the picture and thought it was a Reaper from Mass Effect until I noticed the things that looked like tentacles were the back of the ship.

I mean, we do keep hearing about other species in the galaxy but have never seen them beyond the Forerunners or Covenant.
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Yeah I expected something to be said about this or hinted at since they were going with ancient evil etc.

But since then we have nothing about this ship, really strange.

I think I will wait with my ultimate judgement of Halo 4's story after Silentium hits the shelves.

Right now I think many thing were left out, even with the Terminals and are just unclear.
 
LAUGHTREY said:
It's sort of how it is in the older games. MC wasn't a character, he was just a guy you played as. Now it's bringing in his backstory and showing who he is, which is really not that interesting at all IMO. Unless they do something to change him, he's basically a 12 year old with military training. His logic is very linear and predictable, he either always follows orders or protects Cortana no matter what the cost.
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Funny you should mention that, considering Spartan IIs were stolen in early early childhood (think Kindergarten years). The books even mention them doing some oddly out-of-place things like writing faces or expressions or even words on their own/eachother's visors with their fingertips as indicators. This is one of the few franchises where that actually makes sense; yeah, they grew up and went through rigorous training, but they are in several aspects developmentally disabled compared to an average human of the time. It's why they're so stoic to begin with.

Overdoziz said:
The problem is that it's never been done before, ever, in any way. If we had seen Cortana (or someone else) ha deform light bridges or other things made out of hardlight before it wouldn't have been so silly. Now it just came out of nowhere and felt incredibly cheap. All the Cortanas walking on the bridge was also pretty lame.
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I don't think it's too crazy. She's been projecting her avatar out of the little terminal things across UNSC, Covenant and Forerunner ships for ages; just look at hardlight generators as larger-scale "projectors," so to speak. They can probably create more forms than they do, but when all you're trying to do is make bridges, there's no point in flashy additions like structural support since you don't need them with light-based constructs. Rails I could understand, but otherwise it's a rare instance of the Forerunners just being practical.
 
mjc said:
The best explanation I have is that she was able to do that because she spread her fragmented parts across the ship, allowing her to control the light bridge. Its not that far-fetched considering people can walk on those things.
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The problem is that it's never been done before, ever, in any way. If we had seen Cortana (or someone else) ha deform light bridges or other things made out of hardlight before it wouldn't have been so silly. Now it just came out of nowhere and felt incredibly cheap. All the Cortanas walking on the bridge was also pretty lame.
Evolution_1ne said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPmBT08zcc4 uhhh spoiler I guess?

pause at 1:24 unless there's some weird perspective thing going on she's a damn child compared to him

what's the point of calling Spartan IV's, Spartans? that's what I don't get. Why bother? they aren't half as effective as the II's, Chief alone is probably more effective than everyone else on that ship combined. The franchise is slowly eroding the legendary status of the Spartans (which for me was one of the only things it had going for it) :/, pretty soon they'll just regular Marines with cooler armor
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Regarding Spartan IVs; did Chief or Cortana even see or know about them before they saw them for the first time during Halo 4? Why the hell didn't they ask anything about that?
 
Evolution_1ne said:
pretty soon they'll just regular Marines with cooler armor
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After playing Reach and seeing the generic IVs that tag along at times, they pretty much are to me.

Overdoziz said:
Regarding Spartan IVs; did Chief or Cortana even see or know about them before they saw them for the first time during Halo 4? Why the hell didn't they ask anything about that?
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I don't really see what they'd ask, Cortana's catch-all "A lot can happen in 4 years" just fits, I guess. Chief is pretty single minded so I don't see why he'd care, and I see no reason for Cortana to care about it either. From the surface they can see that new Spartans have been produced, and that's all they really need to know.
 
Evolution_1ne said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPmBT08zcc4 uhhh spoiler I guess?

pause at 1:24 unless there's some weird perspective thing going on she's a damn child compared to him

what's the point of calling Spartan IV's, Spartans? that's what I don't get. Why bother? they aren't half as effective as the II's, Chief alone is probably more effective than everyone else on that ship combined. The franchise is slowly eroding the legendary status of the Spartans (which for me was one of the only things it had going for it) :/, pretty soon they'll just regular Marines with cooler armor
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You do realize that's the exact reason any military - real or fictional - invests in super soldiers, right? Spartans becoming the standard is the whole point. (Whether Halsey approves or not.)

Rickenslacker said:
After playing Reach and seeing the generic IVs that tag along at times, they pretty much are to me.
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You're ~30 years too early there, partner. They're all Spartan-III's in Reach, not IVs.
 
LAUGHTREY said:
It's sort of how it is in the older games. MC wasn't a character, he was just a guy you played as. Now it's bringing in his backstory and showing who he is, which is really not that interesting at all IMO. Unless they do something to change him, he's basically a 12 year old with military training. His logic is very linear and predictable, he either always follows orders or protects Cortana no matter what the cost.
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They're fucked either way, you actually wanted or expected another 3 games of stoic chief? People would easily complain either way and we've already had our fill of MC bein just a dude.
 
Inorigo said:
You're ~30 years too early there, partner. They're all Spartan-III's in Reach, not IVs.
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I didn't mean to imply they were IVs, I meant that they seemed like regular marines in cool armour with how they were handled. The generic IVs you see in 4 just reinforce it both mechanically and psychologically to me is what I meant.
 
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