Nah it's always there.
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Video: Bronies (grown men) invade little girls' section of Toys R Us
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Nah it's always there.
I would think nothing bad of a man who played MLP or princess with his daughter and went out of his way to enjoy her interests. I would nothing bad of a man either who enjoyed every second of those moments. The difference here is they are doing in 100% intrinsically, but I argue that its the same pull that allows them to be fathers and husbands that is being channeled towards fictional characters. Its up to the fan as to whether they see them as a waifu or some sort of adopted daughter.
Chuckie
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So is the correct term also bronies, or pegasisters? Or just fans of the show.
Well, of course I know they exist, lol. I was musing on the lack of attention towards them compared to male fans, but as others pointed out it's apparent that it's because they're unlikely to garner as much ire as male fans do.
I'd love to have a discussion with replicashooter about his feelings on the video, I just don't want it to be couched in his faux-intellectual language of trying to pidgeon hole these men into some kind of mental state where he can understand their motivations.
People like toys, grown men buy action figures all the time.
ClassyPenguin
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While I have bought Disney Blu Rays, I don't go to a toy store and start ripping on Disney for not catering to "the true adult audience" or buy 100 apple pies for a plush toy.
Plus MLP has none of the redeeming qualities of Disney or Pixar films (animation quality, scripting, music etc.). It's a cheaply made cartoon for kids with some geek references thrown in to spare the adults that have to watch it with their kids or something.
The only problem with enjoying the show is that it's not good.
WarMacheen
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I will be glad when this fad is over. If you had told me 15 years ago that grown ass men will come to be obsessed with My Little Pony, I'd have laughed you out of the building.
I've said the same thing about a lot of TV shows and people still watch and enjoy them.
Those stupid bastards.
Chuckie
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Damn you man! You made me Google Image pegasisters...who know what could have crossed my eyes
replicashooter
Banned
I couldn't think of another term to describe their behaviour apart from feminized. As I see it they've done exactly what I said a few few posts back in order to make their new found mental state synchronous so they can view the world from a certain perspective without contradictory messages from reality intruding upon their fantasy.
I'm not threatened in any way shape or form by it, simply offering my opinion on what I saw in the video. Lots of people have stated theirs about what they thought, this is mine - That's it, I ain't holding you at gunpoint to agree with it.
As for the last part, you can't rebuff/reply to what I stated so you cop out. You're a great role model chief, can't win/don't try.
MrCunningham
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This is far creepier....
Also, they're all wearing flip flops. I don't know why I feel the need to point that out. But I just did.
Damn you man! You made me Google Image pegasisters...who know what could have crossed my eyes
Well, all's well that ends well （´ー｀）┌
freenudemacusers
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DrForester
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Plenty of people who watch this show don't go after all merchandise, just like with any fandom. is every adult who watches Adventure time seeking out merchandise? no. Are there some who do? yes.
ClassyPenguin
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But then this thread isn't about the normal fans is it?
All three are technically correct. Bronies coined off 'bro + pony' aimed at the male fanbase, while Pegasisters was the female equivalent. However, from the majority of the female fans I came across, they prefer being called bronies because pegasister isn't as catchy.
The comics are pretty good!
DrForester
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I was originally addressing a question about why people like this show at all.
Reposting, fuck this thread moves fast.
WarMacheen
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My Little Pony crap, in Toy's R Us. Small plastic colorful horses.
replicashooter
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Thanks for that, I sometimes speak in a bit of an "unvarnished" fashion that raises hackles. If I may ask, what do you (as an observer) feel my motivations are in this post and my replies? I'd be interested to hear the direct truth that pops into your mind cos the only way one can learn how you truly are is by how you appear to others. Cheers
Then surely they should be working on the issues that make them feel that way instead of burying their head in the pony coloured sand and thinking "It's OK now". Escapism as a way of dealing with psychological discomfort cannot bring about any good results for anyone and this appears to be a cultural phenomenon meaning a lot of people must be in the same boat ergo requiring the same help.
Me neither, I think it's great when a parent (like the poster who watches it with his son) applies themselves wholeheartedly in their childs interests and hobbies for it provides them with the security and attention they need at a developing stage to express confidence in themselves at a later age.
Maybe this is exactly what this generation of regressed male pony fans lacked and is the reason why they are acting the way they are now? Who knows? Either way it doesn't seem healthy nor beneficial for them in the long run.
I feel this conversation is a treadmill and I am going over old territory, I've offered you the chance to discuss this so we may all learn from it and you've declined after acting in a childish and aggressive fashion based on my posts. So be it, enjoy and all the best.
OriginofHysteria
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Some people find bronies annoying for many different reasons. Idc if they like MLP mainly because I don't associate myself with them in the first place so they don't really exist to me, its just on Facebook I happen to know someone who is a brony and I would get comments on statuses with pony memes unrelated to what I or mutual friends were saying all the damn time. That got old really quick.
I like how you've already diagnosed them with mental disabilities. You're entire argument hinges on this one thing but you cannot conclusively prove it. C'mon son, just hang your head in shame, you've lost.
edit: ^^ You should probably tell him to cut it out, that shit's annoying regardless franchise.
Aw, poor baby.
I dont give a crap what random people think of me; I enjoy the show, met and gained a ton of friends from it. Yes, some people take it a little too far, but overall its been a pretty fun experience.
But hey, it's the internet, a place where everyone has to be a douchebag to somebody else so they can feel better about themselves in one way or another.
replicashooter
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I like how you've already diagnosed them with mental disabilities. You're entire argument hinges on this one thing but you cannot conclusively prove. C'mon son, just hang your head in shame, you've lost.
edit: ^^ You should probably tell him to cut it out, that shit's annoying regardless franchise.
Look at it objectively. Men of a certain age (that don't appear to be acting in an ironic fashion) are clamouring around in the toy store at a section aimed at little girls in a heady state of glee over their latest acquisition and you pull me for thinking theres something wrong with their psychological processes?
Fa realz?
Oh ok, thanks. Whatever makes people happy I guess. I won't judge.
Don't listen to Htown, he's a joke character. He's jealous really
More assumptions? Ya realz. When your answer to a question is conspiracy bullshit then you have already lost.
And no, you can't look at it objectively. What you think what is weird is subjective.
How can I rebuff an argument that's been pulled directly out of your ass?
No... no, you have to explain your 'analysis' better before any kind of actual discussion can take place.
1) The men's mind have been spun back to an childlike state which is inherently asexual.
What is your basis for this assessment? That they're enjoying a kids show? It's already been stated by multiple people that the show is intentionally made to be enjoyable for adults much like most kids shows. Is it because they're buying toys? Toys aren't inherently for children. There is nothing in the action of buying a toy pony that regresses ones mind. The very IDEA of some group of men having 'spun back to a childlike state' is completely illogical. Are they more susceptible to this 'spinning' then other men who watch the show? Is the collective nature of their obsession related at all to the collective nature of other obsessions? Do you have any idea of what you're actually talking about?
2) Only difference is they are still grown men with sexual urges and testosterone running around their systems which causes them to act in the bizarre fashion illustrated in the video by swinging the psychological sexual pendulum from its natural male home into an over compensatory feminine state to fit in with
So lets go ahead and assume that your brand new psychological thesis is correct. That a man's mind can be 'spun back to a childlike state' by liking a kids show. So these man-children still have sexual urges not normally associated with children. How does this conclusion lead you to assigning them a 'sexual pendulum'? WHAT IS A SEXUAL PENDULUM? Is this an identified psychological mechanism? That because there is sexual confusion caused by their now childlike state they suddenly swing all the way over into femininity? You really need to explain this better, because it kind of sounds like complete bullshit. Why don't they just remain male identified in their childlike state?
3)a) the medium that has attracted them in the first place
b) to suppress their natural state to allow the illusion to feel complete without any contradictory urges and
c) seek the gratification/satisfaction in this state that they can't achieve in their ordinary one
Oh I see you've tried to give evidence to the brand fucking new idea of a 'sexual pendulum' that is as fickle as you claim. Lets talk about this.
First you claim that the medium itself is swinging their 'sexual pendulum'. The show is not identified sexually. It remains in between a male identification (Example: Ben 10) and a female identification (Example: Angelina Ballerina). The reason that some people want to identify it as simple a female show is because they're too used to seeing little kids shows aimed at Boys so when a show isn't aimed at boys they automatically assume that it's aimed at girls. It's a form of overcompensation that is a part of gender identity in every medium. The show is not inherently female because the ponies are girls or even because they're ponies. The show is not female because it focuses on friendship morality or has female themes as well as male themes.
Your second point is that they're suppressing their natural state in order to battle back the contradictory urges you've hypothetically given them with zero evidence. This seems out of place given the rest of your argument above since you've given them an already childlike state. Are they suppressing their nature prior to the video and that's why they're in a childlike state? Are they suppressing their male nature? If you're already married to the idea that these men have somehow regressed to a childlike mental state because of a TV show and that childlike state is asexual from a standpoint of identity, then why would they have to suppress a state that has been regressed? Are you talking from a sexual standpoint? Sexually most adults don't identify with ponies and I think we can assume that the men in the video have no sexual desire for the ponies.
Thirdly you talk of gratification or satisfaction. Are we talking about the obsession of the show or sexual gratification? If it's sexual gratification, then why are you assuming that they need sexual gratification from ponies? If they've been regressed and swung by an inherently female show, why then would they identify sexually with female ponies? Are you talking about the satisfaction of an obsessive nature that leads them to collect the toys in the first place? This kind of obsessive collection is not gender identified. When someone has a need to collect, they don't do it on a gender basis normally. They'll collect the female Magic: the Gathering cards just as quickly as they'll collect the male ones.
I'm not mad that you're attacking MLP fans. It's a TV show and fans of any show have a wide spectrum of obsession. Why I'm mad about is your fake analysis. Don't assign a gender identity to a group of people based simply on your theories that are created out of whole cloth with no basis for their existence.
replicashooter
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I'm confused now. I'm pretty sure that looking objectively means looking at it from a practical, logical perspective free of emotional or psychological responses and that's what I've done. For example:
He's saying the same thing as me but with less armchair psychology. What do you want me to do? Not have an opinion beside WOOO thats great BRONNNNIEEISSSSSS?
PS. Could you show me the conspiracy BS please, I appear to have missed it.
In terms of your motives it is honestly hard to say. It may just be they way you deal with criticism or critique but it puts up an obvious veil which is hard to see what is underneath. I would suggest apologizing less for your conduct, or be brief about it, and let your opinion or sincerity be known in your approach towards the content in the discussion itself. Is English a second language to you by the way? You speak it well, but the construct of your diction is pretty unique.
It's definitely not healthy to ever take such obsessions to such extremes. I will say that those men in the video seem to be taking what I mentioned earlier to the extreme. Not sure how it will affect them in the long run, but I expect the trend to pass and they will move onto what ever fills the void.
I was referring to your "ironic" point there. If you have to spin a narrative to squeeze it in to your argument then you have already lost. Though conspiracy is too hard a word there to be fair.
I seen a couple eps, and I don't see any elements aimed at adults. Not to a level of tiny toons or animanics. It's your pretty standard e/I kids show. Nothing wrong with that, but lets not pretend it has hidden depths unless you hyper analyzed it.
WarMacheen
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You should know by now that logical assertations on Gaf, are met with illogical responses
No, I just have serious trouble understanding the show's appeal. I mean, in theory I get that people say they like the writing and animation, but it just.. there's nothing there.
TOP SHOTTA
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No fucking shit. I can't wait either. Like it wasn't hard enough to be a nerd in my teens with sci-fi shit, fantasy, sea-stories/pirates/sea-non-fiction - if I had added this to my quiver of nerd-dom I would have been fucking shot. I absolutely don't get the appeal. My 5 year old daugfhter and I have watched the show, I thought it was intolerable and she told me it was dumb.
She's 5. And wicked fucking into horses, unicorns etc. So... I don't know what else to tell ya...
I watched it because a podcast I listen to called "Skeptic's Guide to the Universe" discussed the show once, praising the writing and the general spirit of the show. I HUGELY weighted that when I was watching. I saw none of it. I was as nonplussed as my 5 year old who lives & breathes horses. I mean horse riding lessons, horse posters all over the wall, horse sheets. We never watched the show again.
I don't know how more primed my daughter and I were as potential audience members. Me looking for clever writing, her because HORSES. It was absolutely annoying as fuck and hard to tolerate even for 22 min.
Just like all other shows you don't like and someone else does.
OriginofHysteria
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I'd consider going to a bronycon event just to meet some of those voice actresses. Hayyyy.
WarMacheen
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Musical theory is serious business
Yep some people like that shit and they don't get harassed and mocked (enough).
its a bad show and the writer's should feel bad
'Tis low brow humour utilizing a combination of sex and nerds, commonly thought to be completely incompatible. I cannot tolerate such crassness with my refined palette.
*Adjusts monocle*
Heh heh heh... nerds are funny.
Why can't people be obsessed with a genuinely fantastic cartoon like Phineas and Ferb? I got nothing against MLP (I still watch it with my son), but man Phineas and Ferb is where it's at.
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