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[Einchy]

The people who get upset about people liking MLP are like the people who get upset at gay marriage.

Haha, oh lord.

 

[CHEEZMO™]

Every time I've seen an inside look into the Brony fandom, it's always extremely misogynistic, racist, homophobic, and generally super-inclusive. My Nationalist Pony, people freaking out at Twilight Sparkle being drawn as a black human, instantly thinking Apple Jack is a lesbian because she enjoys stereotypical-boy pursuits and thus most definitely wants to fuck the other ponies, and, of course, bashing little girls who like the show and trying too hard to make the show "theirs" through gender-inclusive terms like Bronies and Pegasisters, with the latter always being subjugated in terms of importance.

And I'm being serious. I know not every Brony's like that, obviously, and I know you can say the same about video-game fans in general, but it's bizarre how many close-minded people have latched onto a show whose main message is "love and tolerate".

 

[Arjen]

The people who get upset about people liking MLP are like the people who get upset at gay marriage.

Wow, that's pretty insulting towards gay people who are fighting for same sex marriage.

 

[Uchip]

is that a shmorky cartoon?

 

[NinjaBoiX]

Nice CHEEZMO, that's pretty funny!

Uchip, your avatar is amazing. Just sayin'.

 

[Slayven]

Yo Jessica Nigri is great.



Someone's on fire lately.

long time no see

 

[CHEEZMO™]

is that a shmorky cartoon?

I think so.

 

[Uchip]

Uchip, your avatar is amazing. Just sayin'.

the only thing cuter than a cat is a cat in a hat

I think so.

too bad the guy is an absolute nutcase

 

[demidar]

I think demidar wants to be the new eggman

Do not want. Better start taking my un-crazy pills because that's a title I don't want foisted upon me.

 

[Violet_0]

lets look at something cool a fan made instead of a terrible thing

define "cool"

like with many other nerd subcultures (think D&D or trading cards), MLP tends to attract a lot of socially awkward fans (because let's face it, most well-adjusted people don't get obsessed with a cartoon show about ponies marketed to children). Bronies frequently display abnormal or creepy behavior and naturally they're going to get called out for this, just like people make fun of Juggalos (where's the Juggalo-Gaf defense force?) or Trekkies, like it or not. Frankly, I believe that in a or two year all but the most hardcore fans of the show will look back with shame and regret and wonder what the fuck they were thinking.

 

[Uchip]

Do not want. Better start taking my un-crazy pills because that's a title I don't want foisted upon me.

what is derpshaker from anyway?

 

[Dude Abides]

Wow, that's pretty insulting towards gay people who are fighting for same sex marriage.

Not really. They are similar in the sense that both groups get all worked up over stuff that doesn't affect them.

 

[OriginofHysteria]

Not really. They are similar in the sense that both groups get all worked up over stuff that doesn't affect them.

You've never been a victim of MLP spam and I wish you never get to witness it.

 

[FlyinJ]

Can someone explain to me how this all started? I just can't wrap my head around it... I mean, some of these guys are definitely hardcore socially-awkward Anime obsessive types who I guess I could see being into a kid's show about horses. However, I'm also seeing straight up bro-types...

How did these people even start getting into this? Is it all a joke? Did it start as a joke and then turned into something darker? How do they find each other?

I'm sure this has all been covered in the thread, but for the past 4 pages has just been Bronies arguing about how they're being oppressed.

 

[demidar]

what is derpshaker from anyway?

Since you know who Earthshaker is I assume you're not asking where he's from, therefore you are looking for the source of my avatar, which is Pyrion Flax's guide to Earthshaker. I can't believe how godly my deduction skills are.

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

That's another reason why I dislike My Little Pony fans, they tend to place the importance of their hobby on the same level of actual social-justice crusades.

It's not that people dislike Bronies, it's that Bronies dislike people not being aware of their existence.

 

[replicashooter]

How can I rebuff an argument that's been pulled directly out of your ass?

No... no, you have to explain your 'analysis' better before any kind of actual discussion can take place.

'analysis'/ass = where else would it come from? Sitting on my brains over here. Seriously though my explanation for my perspective is here and here in all of its armchair glory.

1) The men's mind have been spun back to an childlike state which is inherently asexual.

What is your basis for this assessment? That they're enjoying a kids show? It's already been stated by multiple people that the show is intentionally made to be enjoyable for adults much like most kids shows. Is it because they're buying toys? Toys aren't inherently for children. There is nothing in the action of buying a toy pony that regresses ones mind. The very IDEA of some group of men having 'spun back to a childlike state' is completely illogical. Are they more susceptible to this 'spinning' then other men who watch the show? Is the collective nature of their obsession related at all to the collective nature of other obsessions? Do you have any idea of what you're actually talking about?

My basis for this is the fact that they are grown men parading around a toy store aisle acting like 8 year old girls and deriving similar satisfaction by doing so. How else, other than regression and validation (others are doing it so its ok for me to do it) can you explain what was documented in that video? The sincerity of their pony enthusiasm is quite perturbing.

2) Only difference is they are still grown men with sexual urges and testosterone running around their systems which causes them to act in the bizarre fashion illustrated in the video by swinging the psychological sexual pendulum from its natural male home into an over compensatory feminine state to fit in with

So lets go ahead and assume that your brand new psychological thesis is correct. That a man's mind can be 'spun back to a childlike state' by liking a kids show. So these man-children still have sexual urges not normally associated with children. How does this conclusion lead you to assigning them a 'sexual pendulum'? WHAT IS A SEXUAL PENDULUM? Is this an identified psychological mechanism? That because there is sexual confusion caused by their now childlike state they suddenly swing all the way over into femininity? You really need to explain this better, because it kind of sounds like complete bullshit. Why don't they just remain male identified in their childlike state?

The pendulum idea comes from the work of Itzhak Bentov. In a nutshell everything in this world exists in a state of duality/flux between opposites, male/female, dark/light, hot/cold etc.

You can think of the pendulum as the point of attention or locus, movement of it in one realm causes a correspondence or lack in the other related realm as it deliciously illustrated in the video where they have flipped from the usual adult modality into the realm of childhood as is evidenced by their actions. I based the male to female flip hypothesis on the fact that they (acknowledge) that their preference in entertainment is aimed and marketed at little girls (which is the opposite of what they are) and stated they have therefore been feminized. Had they been whooping in ecstacy over Transformer toys or such like their pendulum would have remained where it was and it would have only been a simple regression.

3)a) the medium that has attracted them in the first place

b) to suppress their natural state to allow the illusion to feel complete without any contradictory urges and

c) seek the gratification/satisfaction in this state that they can't achieve in their ordinary one

Oh I see you've tried to give evidence to the brand fucking new idea of a 'sexual pendulum' that is as fickle as you claim. Lets talk about this.

First you claim that the medium itself is swinging their 'sexual pendulum'. The show is not identified sexually. It remains in between a male identification (Example: Ben 10) and a female identification (Example: Angelina Ballerina). The reason that some people want to identify it as simple a female show is because they're too used to seeing little kids shows aimed at Boys so when a show isn't aimed at boys they automatically assume that it's aimed at girls. It's a form of overcompensation that is a part of gender identity in every medium. The show is not inherently female because the ponies are girls or even because they're ponies. The show is not female because it focuses on friendship morality or has female themes as well as male themes.

The show may not be identified sexually but the demograph invading pendulum swingers most certainly are, as is evidenced by the strange ponies with peni "art" that proliferates certain parts of the internet. Not that I'm suggesting that the folk in the video take their passion this far, only that some of a similar category evidently have previously.

The last part from "The reason..." onwards beggars belief. Even the manufacturer says they are marketed at girls, the guy in the video says they are marketed at girls.

You are the only one (at least in this thread) that seems to think they are marketed at some brand new entity that isn't a boy yet shouldn't automatically be assumed to be girls when it could just as easily be a middle aged man cavorting around in the toy aisle with starry eyes.

Your second point is that they're suppressing their natural state in order to battle back the contradictory urges you've hypothetically given them with zero evidence. This seems out of place given the rest of your argument above since you've given them an already childlike state. Are they suppressing their nature prior to the video and that's why they're in a childlike state? Are they suppressing their male nature? If you're already married to the idea that these men have somehow regressed to a childlike mental state because of a TV show and that childlike state is asexual from a standpoint of identity, then why would they have to suppress a state that has been regressed? Are you talking from a sexual standpoint? Sexually most adults don't identify with ponies and I think we can assume that the men in the video have no sexual desire for the ponies.

The suppression relates to the concept of the pendulum I mentioned (which incidentally is an expansion of the old "every action has an equal and opposite reaction" idea) and is evidenced by their behaviour in the video. You state that most adults dont sexually identify with ponies but a simple search of "My Little Pony" with safesearch off yields some rather perverse results that null your point and appear to codify mine for what is suppressed must be expressed.

Thirdly you talk of gratification or satisfaction. Are we talking about the obsession of the show or sexual gratification? If it's sexual gratification, then why are you assuming that they need sexual gratification from ponies? If they've been regressed and swung by an inherently female show, why then would they identify sexually with female ponies? Are you talking about the satisfaction of an obsessive nature that leads them to collect the toys in the first place? This kind of obsessive collection is not gender identified. When someone has a need to collect, they don't do it on a gender basis normally. They'll collect the female Magic: the Gathering cards just as quickly as they'll collect the male ones.

I don't know why they need sexual gratification from a childrens show, I was simply commenting on what I saw in the video and the eye popping results from a google search to further my research into this dark quadrant of the human psyche.

I'm not mad that you're attacking MLP fans. It's a TV show and fans of any show have a wide spectrum of obsession. Why I'm mad about is your fake analysis. Don't assign a gender identity to a group of people based simply on your theories that are created out of whole cloth with no basis for their existence.

Your rabid attacks on my pendulum concept and thesis length post would disagree with your opening statement but I certainly do appreciate the time you've put into crafting this reply.

I don't need an argument for authority for my "pulled out of my ass" theories, everything starts off in imagination before it becomes reality.

Even magical ponies.

 

[Dresden]

Drawing a direct link between gay marriage and bronyhate is dumb, but it's true that people get worked up about stuff that'll never affect them.

You've never been a victim of MLP spam and I wish you never get to witness it.

Ah yes, the pain of seeing cartoon images of ponies.

 

[demidar]

Drawing a direct link between gay marriage and bronyhate is dumb, but it's true that people get worked up about stuff that'll never affect them.

Ah yes, the pain of seeing cartoon images of ponies.

I think her argument is that both exist because of intolerance and that people should employ a 'live and let live' mindset as long as noone gets hurt.

Also I'd prefer to get waterboarded then have a spike rammed up my ass than be subjected to colourful ponies, because... they're bad... or something.

 

[Amibguous Cad]

Every time I've seen an inside look into the Brony fandom, it's always extremely misogynistic, racist, homophobic, and generally super-inclusive. My Nationalist Pony, people freaking out at Twilight Sparkle being drawn as a black human, instantly thinking Apple Jack is a lesbian because she enjoys stereotypical-boy pursuits and thus most definitely wants to fuck the other ponies, and, of course, bashing little girls who like the show and trying too hard to make the show "theirs" through gender-inclusive terms like Bronies and Pegasisters, with the latter always being subjugated in terms of importance.

And I'm being serious. I know not every Brony's like that, obviously, and I know you can say the same about video-game fans in general, but it's bizarre how many close-minded people have latched onto a show whose main message is "love and tolerate".

My Nationalist Pony is incredibly amusing, though.

 

[Dresden]

I think her argument is that both exist because of intolerance and that people should employ a 'live and let live' mindset as long as noone gets hurt.

Still, one is active discrimination vs. some internet nerds getting their feelings hurt because another nerd told them they were little girls. Nothing the haters do will actually stop the bronies from... enjoying whatever they do.

 

[Stet]

Until Bronies are banned from doing something everyone else in the world can do, let's not consider it a form of discrimination. As a lesbian, that should be obvious.

 

[WarMacheen]

'analysis'/ass = where else would it come from? Sitting on my brains over here. Seriously though my explanation for my perspective is here and here in all of its armchair glory.



My basis for this is the fact that they are grown men parading around a toy store aisle acting like 8 year old girls and deriving similar satisfaction by doing so. How else, other than regression and validation (others are doing it so its ok for me to do it) can you explain what was documented in that video? The sincerity of their pony enthusiasm is quite perturbing.



The pendulum idea comes from the work of Itzhak Bentov. In a nutshell everything in this world exists in a state of duality/flux between opposites, male/female, dark/light, hot/cold etc.

You can think of the pendulum as the point of attention or locus, movement of it in one realm causes a correspondence or lack in the other related realm as it deliciously illustrated in the video where they have flipped from the usual adult modality into the realm of childhood as is evidenced by their actions. I based the male to female flip hypothesis on the fact that they (acknowledge) that their preference in entertainment is aimed and marketed at little girls (which is the opposite of what they are) and stated they have therefore been feminized. Had they been whooping in ecstacy over Transformer toys or such like their pendulum would have remained where it was and it would have only been a simple regression.



The show may not be identified sexually but the demograph invading pendulum swingers most certainly are, as is evidenced by the strange ponies with peni "art" that proliferates certain parts of the internet. Not that I'm suggesting that the folk in the video take their passion this far, only that some of a similar category evidently have previously.

The last part from "The reason..." onwards beggars belief. Even the manufacturer says they are marketed at girls, the guy in the video says they are marketed at girls.

You are the only one (at least in this thread) that seems to think they are marketed at some brand new entity that isn't a boy yet shouldn't automatically be assumed to be girls when it could just as easily be a middle aged man cavorting around in the toy aisle with starry eyes.



The suppression relates to the concept of the pendulum I mentioned (which incidentally is an expansion of the old "every action has an equal and opposite reaction" idea) and is evidenced by their behaviour in the video. You state that most adults dont sexually identify with ponies but a simple search of "My Little Pony" with safesearch off yields some rather perverse results that null your point and appear to codify mine for what is suppressed must be expressed.



I don't know why they need sexual gratification from a childrens show, I was simply commenting on what I saw in the video and the eye popping results from a google search to further my research into this dark quadrant of the human psyche.



Your rabid attacks on my pendulum concept and thesis length post would disagree with your opening statement but I certainly do appreciate the time you've put into crafting this reply.

I don't need an argument for authority for my "pulled out of my ass" theories, everything starts off in imagination before it becomes reality.

Even magical ponies.

I was waiting on your rebuttal.

/thread

Seriously, wrap it up folks. The debate isn't about sexuality, it's about "adult" "men" obsessing over a prepubescent girls cartoon.

 

[demidar]

Still, one is active discrimination vs. some internet nerds getting their feelings hurt because another nerd told them they were little girls. Nothing the haters do will actually stop the bronies from... enjoying whatever they do.

One of the great things about discussions face-to-face is that you can punch the motherfucker for being shit at arguing. Also the fact is that bagging on someone comes from an intolerant core, regardless of how small it may be.

 

[Ferrio]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p6LVZFLSfw

 

[Dresden]

One of the great things about discussions face-to-face is that you can punch the motherfucker for being shit at arguing. Also the fact is that bagging on someone comes from an intolerant core, regardless of how small it may be.

I wonder why I even bother with OT sometimes, dudes are so hostile.

 

[J-Rod]

It's the sexualization that fucks it up for me. Other fanbases do it too, but it seems more common for ponies and you don't have to delve deep into the fanbase at all to witness it, because it is right there at the surface. Even on gaf, you get to see the perverted aspects of it pretty quickly. It is also worse because at least spock and garrus are adults and not representations of child-like innocence for little girls. Lastly, bronies seem to proselytize more. They make it a point to show ponies at every opportunity.

 

[rpmurphy]

Until Bronies are banned from doing something everyone else in the world can do, let's not consider it a form of discrimination. As a lesbian, that should be obvious.

Isn't that the same mentality as saying that people living in first-world countries with depression don't really have a serious problem because at least they don't live in squalid and war-torn countries?

 

[demidar]

I wonder why I even bother with OT sometimes, dudes are so hostile.

You know why I'm so angry? BECAUSE FUCKING PONIES MAN, SUCH A DISGRACE TO MASCULINITY!!!!!.

Joking, I'm actually quite chill right now. I pride myself on not going ballistic every second. But honestly people really need to live-and-let-live, it'd make the world so much better.

 

[Stet]

Isn't that the same mentality as saying that people living in first-world countries with depression don't really have a serious problem because at least they don't live in squalid and war-torn countries?

No, it's saying that they shouldn't compare themselves with those who live in squalid and war-torn countries.

 

[NewFresh]

It's the sexualization that fucks it up for me. Other fanbases do it too, but it seems more common for ponies and you don't have to delve deep into the fanbase at all to witness it, because it is right there at the surface.

Is it really that more common than other fanbases or is it that it's the aspect the people outside of the fanbase focus on the most, thus bringing it to the surface more often?

 

[demidar]

Is it really that more common than other fanbases or is it that it's the aspect the people outside of the fanbase focus on the most, thus bringing it to the surface more often?

Could also be a concentrated dose due to the relative youth of the fanbase, and they'll get it out of their systems in a little while, but it gives a perception of being swallowed up by sexy ponies. Truly a fate worse than death.

 

[rpmurphy]

No, it's saying that they shouldn't compare themselves with those who live in squalid and war-torn countries.

Ok, but it doesn't make it to be that their problem is not a legitimate one, just that it is one under a different set of realities.

 

[Stet]

Ok, but it doesn't make it to be that their problem is not a legitimate one, just that it is one under a different set of realities.

Yes, that is true, but do you see the difference between "I hate it when people judge me because I like My Little Pony" and "I'm not allowed to get married in my country of residence because people don't think my gender is legitimate"?

It's the difference between "I stubbed my toe, I'm having the worst day" and "I stubbed my toe, I'm practically an Afghani refugee."

 

[OriginofHysteria]

Well bronies apparently feel like Hasbro isn't catering to their demographic. That could be some weird form of discrimination lol.

 

[LegatoB]

My mom always told me to talk to the quiet guy on the bus, or share a cookie with the ostracized kid during lunch. I feel like if more people did those things than groups like Bronies wouldn't exist. This is more an issue about socially damaged people than a group of grown men who truly enjoy buying toys for girls.

Glad you've got so much unwanted pity to give there.

 

[J-Rod]

Is it really that more common than other fanbases or is it that it's the aspect the people outside of the fanbase focus on the most, thus bringing it to the surface more often?

I don't know. I just know personally I've never inadvertently run into sexualized sonic material or mass effect porn or anything of the like, but in the 3 instances I went into the brony thread on gaf, I did right off the bat. One time was personified ponies where they of course had gigantic disproportionate tits. Another time it was speculation on the main characters ages with a lot of "she is of legal age" type stuff. And then there were a lot of comics...

It might just be perception, but it does seem to go there pretty often.

 

[demidar]

Well bronies apparently feel like Hasbro isn't catering to their demographic. That could be some weird form of discrimination lol.

Actually, they are so fed up with not being serviced with good toys that they're making it themselves. Some of them are really good. It's an untapped market since all these guys have so much disposable income. I think a piece of fanmade merch went for a few thousand.

 

[Lionel Mandrake]

But without MLP the fan art thread would be so much smaller and less interesting.

 

[G-Fex]

WOW


WOW

 

[Arjen]

But without MLP the fan art thread would be so much smaller and less interesting.

What in the?

 

[demidar]

But without MLP the fan art thread would be so much smaller and less interesting.

This looks batshit crazy. I can tell from some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few batshit in my time.

 

[rpmurphy]

Yes, that is true, but do you see the difference between "I hate it when people judge me because I like My Little Pony" and "I'm not allowed to get married in my country of residence because people don't think my gender is legitimate"?

It's the difference between "I stubbed my toe, I'm having the worst day" and "I stubbed my toe, I'm practically an Afghani refugee."

Yeah, I see the point. It would have been more sensible for the original person to simply make the point that the issue at hand is about gender role enforcement and not make unnecessary comparisons to stronger versions of that.

 

[marrec]

The last part from "The reason..." onwards beggars belief. Even the manufacturer says they are marketed at girls, the guy in the video says they are marketed at girls.

You are the only one (at least in this thread) that seems to think they are marketed at some brand new entity that isn't a boy yet shouldn't automatically be assumed to be girls when it could just as easily be a middle aged man cavorting around in the toy aisle with starry eyes.

I'll reply to this one since everything else you've speculated is not based on any sort of evidence presented in the video.

I never said the show was not marketed at girl. Obviously ALL of the marketing is targeted toward pre-pubescent girls. That's a smart marketing decision based on the source material being ponies (And the 80s version of My Little Ponies being a show that was directly targeting little girls) that doesn't change the fact that the show itself has no specific gender target, which was my original argument.

 

[Fari]

The people who get upset about people liking MLP are like the people who get upset at gay marriage.

True bronies are hardcore conservatives.

 

[SmithnCo]

People trying to fit cartoon characters into their politics and/or religion is endlessly amusing.

 

[Parallax]

But without MLP the fan art thread would be so much smaller and less interesting.

i dont get the signifigance of this. like at all. what the hell is this supposed to convey?

 

[demidar]

People trying to fit cartoon characters into their politics and/or religion is endlessly amusing.

As an outsider, fitting anything into American politics is endlessly amusing. Such a crazy circus.

 

[Violet_0]

People trying to fit cartoon characters into their politics and/or religion is endlessly amusing.

I meant to ask, what's with all these Christian kids and Sonic the Hedgehog?

 

[Ferrio]

I meant to ask, what's with all these Christian kids and Sonic the Hedgehog?

I always assume due to the household they were raised in they were allowed to play/watch certain things approved by the parents. Sonic being one of the "safe" things the parents trust in, and thus becomes an outlet for kids.