OriginofHysteria
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Really? I've been seeing different in the past 32 pages of this thread.
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Really? I've been seeing different in the past 32 pages of this thread.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Why are you basing it on this thread though? This is a video game player-centric thread with some people dwelling into other fandom, but still a video game-centric forum.
No different from saying that you have those creepy anime fans who cosplay too far though.
I guess it just depends on what you consider a 'brony'.
Someone who's a fan of the show and will gladly discuss it with other people who are fans
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Someone who slathers over the newest 2" Rarity figure and who writes Macintosh/Shining Armor FanFiction
If you're talking about the second group. I agree and I don't want them around my son.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
When hasn't it been like that?
War never changes...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA that made my day. Though I have no idea how you know those names.
I don't see it as a minority of 'bronies' being weird, I see the 'bronies' as the warped minority of the expanded fanbase. My take is, if you enjoy My Little Pony to the point where you describe yourself as a 'Brony' and eagerly collect MLP merchandise, you've gone wrong somewhere.
I keep typing up a longer post and then editing it back down to nothing so I'll just say that I don't get this shit and that's that. Of all the lifestyle choices that scream 'I'll never get laid', this one is almost top of the heap.
Anime fan is to loli lover as TMNT fan is to furry as MLP viewer is to Brony.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
I just really want a Rainbow Dash toy.
Kano on the Phone
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We aren't walking into these peoples' houses to ridicule them for watching a show, they're defining themselves by it, and that makes them completely open to ridicule. I like the show House but if I called myself a Housie and made videos of myself at Toys R Us buying the latest Hugh Laurie action figure and made a point to let everyone know about it, they would rightfully ask what the fuck is wrong with me. And that isn't even getting into the "this show is for children" factor.
People have to hurt someone in order for me to form an opinion of them? Who made that rule?
Your analogous relationship description is okay with me, though I think the language has gotten confused for some fans where they'll identify themselves as 'Bronys' without knowing exactly what connotations that brings. You don't see Sonic fans saying they're furries without knowing full well what a furry is.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
See, the problem is that to others brony isn't automatically the derogatory term (like how Trekkie isn't necessarily a derogatory term) since some apply it as a "general" term for an x fan. That's where the trouble starts.
I got your point though.
And thank goodness furries don't associate with Sonic. Thank goodness.
The problem is that well-adjusted people might also self-identify as a Brony, and they'll be caught under your criteria. Personally I hate the term, something is just off about it, but when I see a crazy person, I call them a crazy person, regardless of self-identified titles or associations.
RedNumberFive
Banned
By definition, "well-adjusted" people would not identify themselves as a "brony".
I think it's time to update the geek hierarchy
The problem with all fandoms of sufficient size have is that their label almost always becomes the picture of the most extreme, hardcore fans. Blame the media or social networking but that's pretty much always been the case. Even if the majority of people in that fandom are otherwise completely average people who are simply fans of that genre/medium, calling them by their fandom's label instantly groups them with the most extreme nut-balls.
What the Majority Inside the Fandom Think:
Trekker = "Anyone who enjoys watching Star Trek and possibly collecting paraphernalia."
Otaku = "Anyone who enjoys watching anime and possibly collecting paraphernalia."
Furry = "Anyone who enjoys anthropomorphic art and possibly collecting paraphernalia."
Bronie = "An adult male who enjoys watching MLP and possibly collecting paraphernalia."
What the Majority Outside the Fandom Think:
Trekker = "Pocket-protecting, basement dwelling virgin who wears a Star fleet uniform to work."
Otaku = "Lolicon lusting creeper who collects hentai and thinks English dubs are 'Baka'."
Furry = "Fursuit wearing deviant who yiffs at conventions and believes they have the soul of a fox."
Bronie = "An adult, single male who gets off on Pinkie Pie and sings the MLP theme in public places."
Now, this is assuming the majority of each fanbase likely falls into the first category and the minority of extremes into the second. When I look objectively at these various fandoms this is what I see typically going on. However, I have to be honest and say that the whole Bronie thing is so new I'm not really sure if the majority are casual fans or obsessives.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
Mmmm, their Mothers must be proud.
Is it because they self-identify as a brony or because they like MLP?
There are many people who self-identify as a brony simply because they watch MLP, they are perfectly well adjusted.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
You got the last one wrong.
That's otherkin
But then you are using the "brony automatically means the crazies" identification.
Or would you agree a gamer is misogynistic, rude, and dorrito-eating slob too?
How About No
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I don't see the big deal. Can't the Marlon Brando lookalikes get together without it getting creepy?
By definition, "well-adjusted" people would not identify themselves as a "gamer".
But then who was definition?!?!
SonicMegaDrive
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And most importantly, keep it to yourself.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Nothing will ever get learned in threads like these on the Internet, because some people have decided in advance that there exist a "never get laid" box in which people can be inserted due to a label attached to them, or how they express their like for something, or the hobbies they have.
If you believe there is an objective score card for life, and that someone can literally "lose" being a human being based on criteria outside of being destructive, sociopathic, amoral, or a just plain feckless asshole... then you're always going to find it easy and convenient to go about dividing people into categories that, almost inevitably, lift you up while lowering them. Because I've rarely seen someone who thinks this way, fail to place themselves higher in life's imaginary leaderboard than the people they pass judgement on.
As has been stated in this thread your "life has gone wrong" if you are, say, a brony. This statement is completely ridiculous in its presumption to judge the complete life and existence of another human being, but that's how shallow (but convenient) attitudes can be. I believe the supposed justification for such attitudes would go like this: "But look! The brony has defined his entire life by this thing I say is silly and foolish! Therefore I may accurately observe that there is nothing to this person's existence than silly foolishness!"
Aside from the fact that this entire rig is based on the assumption that there's an objective standard for what is "silly", for what human beings should all be acting like, and behaving like (spoiler alert: there isn't), it is self deceiving to presume you understand everything about a person by a thin slice. The fact that said slice "outrageous" you means nothing.
Generally, I believe the most morally justifiable grounds on which to judge other people in life involve their attitudes, behavior, or activities inflicting harm on others or society. In point of fact, we commonly attempt to stretch definitions in order to pass judgement on others - we weasel our way to insinuating that someone is in fact causing some form of nebulous "harm" to someone, somewhere, in order to slap them with censure and feel justified. This is the kind of rationalization that, in more serious topics, forms the foundation of The Gay Scare, or racism, or transphobia as just a few examples: arguing that X person is deviating from one's claimed norm of behavior. And somewhere down the line, that's just got to be causing this critical harm to people and society, so they've got to be stopped right now. Even if the chain to this supposed harm is vague and illogical.
The brony thing really pulls that thinking into the spotlight because, yeah, it's pretty inevitable the clash of contexts is going to make a lot of people uncomfortable. There's plenty of insinuations flying around that "brony" by definition somehow vaguely and inevitably leads to "pedophile" among other things down the line.
The cold irony of this entire subject in the context of where we are, is that despite some defense oriented claims made on GAF, video games are not wholly accepted by society even now. Oh sure, they're a lot more normalized today. But sad to say, you'll still find plenty of people who laugh at people who play video games, say they're losers. And - wait for it, it's coming - snort that they will never get laid.
(Getting laid does seem to be the primary criteria by which to judge whether someone deserves to continue life in the world as we know it. People do realize that even those you think don't deserve it have probably had sex, and may be having it right now? It's not as difficult as you think.)
And fear of this condemnation is still strong in many people who play games (using games as the example for contrast, here). Plenty of people will, when pressed, go on about despising the term "gamer" because it invites associating them with a stereotypical group that they feel still receives censure from society.
Turtles made of scorn, all the way down.
Baconsaurus Rex
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Well this thread sure got ugly
And just behave when you're in a public place and all is well
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
Damnit, now i can't stop thinking of the hotel gag and the french waiter
Many don't. I haven't called myself a gamer in years after seeing the stigma attached to it.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I bet you trap your teammates with your fissure all the time.
Well guess what, who gives a shit what you think, I am going to apply my connotations as to what being a gamer mean, and foist it upon you and you have no say in it.
You are a fucking a gamer, and that means that
you're a really cool guy and we should totally hang out, fistbump?
Also Kaijima, I greatly appreciate everything you say, but I fear your well reasoned arguments will fall on deaf ears.
Jokes on you I trap people with Jarvan. And I don't play Earthshaker, I play Rubick.
sorry for double posting.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
The thing is, noone is defining people as bronies if they like mlp, some fans identify as bronies unaware of the stigma currently involved.
People will apply whatever label they see fit to disparage others, and will work tirelessly to make the connotations as negative as possible. But in order to conclusively prove what you're saying we should poll every single hater as to how they see pony fans. I think you can see the problem with that.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
Most people in this very thread said they have no problem with pony fans, but instead the extreme fanbase, and even then, i may be proven wrong, but I don't see anyone applying the term brony to anyone who didn't call themselves that.
Drugula's Wrath XXX
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The Brony Excuse: "There's other people out there being creepy so why can't we be creepy too".
I would hope so since Gaf is generally smarter and more informed than the average person. But the greater internet? You can't possibly speak for them all, the recent elections have proven that people can be very intolerant, irrationally so, and they'll say that with full unironic pride.
What do you expect? Everyone should tolerate everything about everyone else all the time?
'Getting laid' is just shorthand for 'forming a meaningful long-term sexual relationship with another adult'. It isn't literally about dipping one's wick.
I also think you're overlooking the fact that people don't actually want Bronies wiped off the face of the planet. They merely wish to express their scorn and confusion at the 'lifestyle choices' that these people are making.
Apologies for the brevity of this post in the face of your well reasoned argument. I felt I'd better reply since you paraphrased me once or twice but I'm on the way out.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I think this is where the ambiguous core lies on this issue: the line between fan and Brony, which is interpreted differently by, well, pretty much everyone.
OriginofHysteria
Banned
I think we should ask...
MLP GAF, do you consider yourself a brony?
MLP GAF, do you consider yourself a brony?
Broder Salsa
Banned
Bronies are low level. I'm a clopper.
OriginofHysteria
Banned
Dat sweet pony ass?
Dreams-Visions
Member
I can't believe this thread is still going.
Brownies seem to touch a special nerve on GAF. Are they the new emos to be beaten up on?
Brownies seem to touch a special nerve on GAF. Are they the new emos to be beaten up on?
I think it's because bronies are perceived as overlapping considerably with furries. The perception isn't helped by the "extreme" fanbase, probably because it's true for many of them.
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Kageshinzo
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I think GAF just prefers cakes to brownies.
What I don't get is why there is scorn in the first place? Unless someone has wronged me personally, I don't really care what you do (unless you're hurting someone else in a non-consenting manner, you are scum if you do this), you can be white, black, Asian, Hispanic, mixed, gay, bi, trans, kink, furry, scaly, Sonic lover, fan-fic writer, Christian, Islamic, Athiest, Sikh, Scientologist, Flying Spaghetti worshiper and any infinite number of combinations of this non-exhaustive list. But guess what? Who cares. Unless they actually did something bad to me there is absolutely no reason to hate them. Those titles don't inherently make a person bad.
That is why I am confused, and why I find all this so fascinating.
I feel like I'm gonna get banned for this.
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