staticneuron
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It didn't get a pricecut, they simply offered a different build entirely.
Just what is Sony doing with Vita? If they've given-up, they should just kill it.
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It didn't get a pricecut, they simply offered a different build entirely.
jimmypython
Member
Got you fixed:
but
Vita is very good. I can never go back to PSP after playing PSP games on Vita's OLED screen with the second stick.. just the company behind it sucks.
olimpia84
Member
No, it's a great handheld with (imo) an already decent library.
grimshawish
Banned
I don't know. You bought it, you must have had a reason to.
It was definitely an impulse buy, i was daydreaming of playing FFIX on it and then i came across a used one, like new, on a store and BAM, all reason gone out the window.
Im hoping that sony invests more on the platform but thinking about a big lineup on E3 2013 being overshadowed by the Orbis announcement is kind of a given.
The hardware really is amazing, fingers crossed!
There's no OT anymore, so, can i ask for some cheap recommendations here?
Im hoping that sony invests more on the platform but thinking about a big lineup on E3 2013 being overshadowed by the Orbis announcement is kind of a given.
The hardware really is amazing, fingers crossed!
There's no OT anymore, so, can i ask for some cheap recommendations here?
For my money, it is the definitive way to play PSX games, and will be for quite some time.
I purchased mine cheaply MIB off of craigslist, and it is one of my best gaming related purchases ever. Certainly the horizon looks bleak, but I bought mine because there's enough software for it for me NOW rather than in the future.
bishopcruz
Member
Dreamcast failed because Sega ran out of money. Yeah, the sales weren't PS2 levels and piracy hurt it too, but Sega simply didn't have the cash on hand to compete with the PS2. The system sold well, software sold well too and it could have lasted a few more years. The problem was that Sega was selling it at a loss and not making up enough on the software side. They were simply not in a position to ride it out after the failure that was the Saturn.
I agree on Sony not killing off the platform though. What are people thinking?
Father_Brain
Banned
They're thinking that the platform is in a far worse position than 2007 PS3 in every respect (sales, third-party support, first-party support) but the amount of money Sony is losing on it, and that Sony has repeatedly demonstrated through its handling of Vita that they're unwilling or unable to make salvaging it the priority that PS3 was five years ago.
Being much less of a money-loser than PS3 counts for something, true, but there's simply no apparent path to turning it around at this point when Sony has never been able to sustain a platform on its own.
that's before we find out memory cards cost a leg and an arm. Once the public found out memory card is not included, the price was never "reasonable" again.
As I see it there are basically two options to save the platform.
1) Massive price cut
2) vita phone/tablet relaunch
OldJadedGamer
Banned
PS3 got the first price cut at E3 2007. 7 months after launch. You may be thinking of the 40gig which came out 6 months after E3 and shave a second $100 off the price.
There's plenty of ways Sony could fix this. Sorry to play as broken record here but the most obvious one is just get Monster Hunter on there. They could also do a Price Cut, or try to get other popular Japanese franchises like One Piece, Resident Evil, Final Fantasy, etc.
Jaded Alyx
Member
You say that like it's oh so easy.
Why would publishers put those games on a system that barely sells when they could put them on 3DS which sells several times more? There are so many 3DS' sold already that it's extremely close to overtaking the PS3!
What's a price cut going to do without the software that people want?
DeaconKnowledge
Member
Haha, oh boy.
There is no reason for anyone to buy a Vita in Japan right now. None. Why would anybody buy a Vita for Monster Hunter? 3DS already has it!
Yeah they were, but as usual consumers didn't know that they didn't want that price.
The Vita is suffering from the same problem 3DS suffered from. 250 dollars for a dedicated handheld is too much in this post iPhone/iPad world. Forget the tech included, it just wasn't going to sell at that price.
Admiral Bone to Pick
Banned
The only way I could see Sony really salvaging the Vita is cutting the price by $100 immediately and money hatting some major third party titles. At least that way, the Vita would have a niche of being a high end games machine at a lower price. Unfortunately, games and memory cards would still be expensive and Sony would likely lose a significant amount of money. So I'm really not sure what their options are at this point.
I would say that Sony should have had more foresight and been able to predict market trends, but that has kind of been their main problem over the last decade.
I would say that Sony should have had more foresight and been able to predict market trends, but that has kind of been their main problem over the last decade.
a relaunch would indeed be the best choice, but not phone/tablet if you don't want to experience 1k weekly sales. I think Sony should FIRST get a big exclusive, or better, two, one for japan and one specifically for the west, then release a stripped down model at a much lower price. If they keep carrying the console as it is today nothing will save it
DeaconKnowledge
Member
Not to pick on you specifically, but people really need to divorce themselves from this thinking.
Vita has an endemic problem - nobody on either side of the globe wants to develop for it. It's a guaranteed money sink.
Considering this, how much would Sony realistically have to "moneyhat" in order to get the system rocking in either territory? I assure you the answer would be north of "more than Sony would ever want to pay". There is no one franchise that will jump start Vita sales in either territory.
Sony is better off keeping to their internal studios and hoping that one of them can generate a hit that will start moving kit. Paying for exclusives that have next to no guarantee of being long term successes on the platform is a great way to turn a console that Sony says is making them money into a turd.
Yeah, that's true, there's plenty going for 3DS but I'm just suggesting though. If Sony wants the Vita to pick up some steam. They gotta get some popular franchises on there, either through contracts or deals with publishers.
But I just saw DeaconKnowledge's post, and yeah, considering this generation with the PS3, It'd more realistic that Sony would rather put their money towards their internal studios than paying for exclusives.
Not really sure what else they could do though. Their Japanese PSN Plus for Vita seems to be lacking too, Maybe add more to it and bundle a 3 month sub with new vitas?
metalslimer
Member
PSN+ isn't going to do anything for the system's sales. The people who think it's an amazing deal would buy a Vita anyway because those games are very appealing to them. It's a nice gesture to those who own the system though.
Surely people who were undecided about buying one would me more likely to if they have a library waiting for them? The ratio of people owning a vita and ps3 is almost 1:1 anyway so ps3 owners are who they should be targeting.
Admiral Bone to Pick
Banned
You basically reiterated my point. Any strategy Sony could have that would make the Vita more successful would also make the system just that much more of a poor investment. It's a total money sink. And I can pretty much 99.9% guarantee you that a Sony first party game won't help to significantly spur the system's sales.
DiscoJer
Member
That's what Sony has been doing, and I don't think it's worked. If you look at the PSP, I think a lot of people had that and a 360, not PS3. They like 3rd party software, not Sony's.
The Vita needs its own identity, not simply just a PS3 add-on. But Sony can't really give it one (and doesn't even want to try, seemingly), and third parties don't want to (with the exceptions of Borderlands 2, who want it on the Vita but Sony apparently doesn't want to pay for the development of it)
DeaconKnowledge
Member
Your point appeared to be "the Vita can be salvaged by..."
My point is that the Vita is not salvagable.
PuppetMaster
Member
The Vita is the only system I play. These theads lamenting "no games" started by people who don't own one are hilarious
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Sony's current smartphones sell much, much better than their videogame consoles.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
PS+ is only a good service for the Vita if you have a decent sized memory card and we all know about those.
Puppet Shadow
Member
It's not that it doesn't have games, it's that it doesn't have enough games for people to justify buying a Vita. Needs a lot lower price, or games that people can only, or prefer to play on Vita. Neither seems likely, both issues being Sony's fault.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
I know I said I still have hope in the Vita, but after buying SFxT and Persona 4 next week, and seeing that there really isn't much coming early next year, I'm beginning to think that I wasted money.
Ys would save it for me at this point. Don't want another console game spin-off. I want original stuff like Ys.
Ys would save it for me at this point. Don't want another console game spin-off. I want original stuff like Ys.
The Take Out Bandit
Member
Same shit as the PSP.
Sony portables can't catch a break, and the trolls are too lazy to come up with a new schtick for a new handheld. :\
Planning on picking one up next year after:
Price Drop
or
Hardware Revision
DeaconKnowledge
Member
lol.
Everyone's trolling, but you still won't pick one up until it drops in price.
PapaEmeritus
Member
I kept hoping and hoping that something "big" would happen, the PS plus stuff is nice sure, but its for games that are now a yr old and nothing new coming out. Anyway decided to sell mine, no use for it. Was literally sitting and collecting dust. Lesson learned, never buy a handheld unless it's from Nintendo, I went through a vita and a psp and both were great tech sure, but huge disappointments. Won't be doing that again. I don't like the trolls and stuff, because hey, Sony went balls out and made great hardware, software support and what's been going on with the console is horrible. I hope they prove me wrong, but can't see that happening
staticneuron
Member
You are correct sir, I didn't even remember that bit.
It is all subjective. So whether the "games" are appealing or the "price" is a barrier, the "No games" blanket statement is simply subjective opinion.
What people or the mainstream "Justify" is mind boggling. In a nation willing to spend more than that on "off brand" phones or cheap tablets, people have the money, they are willing to spend it on certain items without justification but on others they will bring up an excuse.
In my view alot of what happens on this forum seems to be drivin by comparisons between Sony handheld and nintendo's. I doubt anyone is on the fence when it comes between a decision of the two because the offerings of each company is normally very different in terms of tone and overall experiences.
Didn't take long to point out an example.
It all comes down to the games. "Handheld Uncharted" and "Handheld LBP" aren't doing it, for whatever reason. Maybe people want to play those games on their TVs.
Everybody has a different system seller. If Vita had Etrian Odyssey, Resident Evil, and Ace Combat, I would own a Vita. Instead I own a 3DS.
Everybody has a different system seller. If Vita had Etrian Odyssey, Resident Evil, and Ace Combat, I would own a Vita. Instead I own a 3DS.
Come on. Don't be ridiculous that's way too soon.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
Why does the phone thing keep being brought up? I thought they brought out a PSP-like phone and it bombed.
Are you blaming Sony's customers for not finding a reason to buy their handheld? The obligation is on Sony to make people want to buy it!
People bringing up excuses for not buying something? You know that nobody has to excuse or justify himself for something like that?
famousmortimer
Banned
Whether or not they should drop the vita is irrelevant. They aren't going to.
i think it will be too late if cacpcom ever release mh for vita. the userbase is already established with 3ds by the time it launches and they wouldn't do a straight port of mh4 because come on, that's shameful on the vita's part with the hardware its carrying.
You are probably talking about the xperia play. It was a outdated phone both in software and hardware, don't know if it bombed though.
Had nothing to do with the PSP.
The reason a phone would be such a good business decision is Sony could subsidize it thorough a contract, making it cheaper for the consumer. Increasing their library if they run Android underneath for phones and texts, but also for the games it has.
Perfect.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
Wouldn't they need to create an entire new OS to be able to run Vita games and still be able to receive calls/texts? Can't imagine a non Android/WP/Apple phone OS would be very appealing. Not that I understand that much about phone software ;P
Just seems like a confused message to me. As in - could the vita part access any part of Android? Could the Android part see the Vita games? How would they run while still allowing calls/text etc?
I think we can both agree they need to do something. Unless they roped in a heap of customers on CoD's name before the shit reviews came out, I'd say their two big games for the end of the year sound like a bit of a failure.
DidntKnowJack
Member
Your anti-Sony schtick is really getting tiresome, and with this latest comment becoming more and more wacky. I mean, it's not like you can't back up shit or anything.
Possibly not, they could have the android as the base then boot the vita OS on top of that. Running a Vita game will keep Android in the background so you can still receive calls and texts.
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