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[KillerTravis]

Personally I didn't bought a Vita because I knew the situation was going to be EXACTLY like the PSP on the west. Although I didn't expect it to bomb so hard in Japan. All the signs were pointing to it. Cutting edge graphics on a handheld trying to replicate what can be done on consoles, but not really doing it well. I was a PSP owner day 1, even before I bought a DS, and I don't understand how anyone can say they were happy with the support it got on the west.

 

[AlexM]

Personally I didn't bought a Vita because I knew the situation was going to be EXACTLY like the PSP on the west. Although I didn't expect it to bomb so hard in Japan. All the signs were pointing to it. Cutting edge graphics on a handheld trying to replicate what can be done on consoles, but not really doing it well. I was a PSP owner day 1, even before I bought a DS, and I don't understand how anyone can say they were happy with the support it got on the west.

As far as the graphics go I'm pretty impressed. LBP and Gravity Daze both look really good. The lower res requirement certainly helps the weaker hardware.

 

[Takao]

Personally I didn't bought a Vita because I knew the situation was going to be EXACTLY like the PSP on the west. Although I didn't expect it to bomb so hard in Japan. All the signs were pointing to it. Cutting edge graphics on a handheld trying to replicate what can be done on consoles, but not really doing it well. I was a PSP owner day 1, even before I bought a DS, and I don't understand how anyone can say they were happy with the support it got on the west.

I don't understand how someone can say this. PSP has a very robust library of quality content. Maybe not from third party western developers but expecting that on a handheld is a joke.

 

[staticneuron]

Why does the phone thing keep being brought up? I thought they brought out a PSP-like phone and it bombed.

Are you blaming Sony's customers for not finding a reason to buy their handheld? The obligation is on Sony to make people want to buy it!

You aren't really a customer until you buy it. I think you aren't getting exactly what I am saying. I did touch on justification put I pointed out sometimes appeal is the strongest part of the decision making process. It is an uphill battle for the Vita if people aren't interested to begin with. Even looking at Nintendo's numbers the 3DS sold 15 million in its first year. That is before the big stapes of their franchise hit. I would hazard to say that before that date the most talked about titles were updated 3D ports of the N64 Games Starfox 64 and LoZ:OoT. The 3DS still hit numbers because of appeal. Outside of an updated port of FFVII the Vita would be attacked even more if the biggest titles were PS1 ports.

People bringing up excuses for not buying something? You know that nobody has to excuse or justify himself for something like that?

It seems you misunderstand what I was trying to point out.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

Your anti-Sony schtick is really getting tiresome, and with this latest comment becoming more and more wacky. I mean, it's not like you can't back up shit or anything.

Don't be sensitive just because you spent so long as a Sony mod over at the IGN boards. Memory card prices are obnoxious and no one will deny that. It is something that holds the system back.

 

[AlexM]

Agreed there. If they are going to have a proprietary memory card it should be the same price or cheaper than SD memory.

 

[staticneuron]

Agreed there. If they are going to have a proprietary memory card it should be the same price or cheaper than SD memory.

If they have proprietary memory cards of course it is going to cost more because they have to shoulder the burden of making them on their own. If they went with SD they wouldn't have to deal with designing or retrofitting one of their factories to make the cards.

Given what happened with the PSP though it should be understandable "why" they went this route.

heh... sony doesn't need a portable (insert ps3 title) game. The vita needs its own unique franchise that you can't find on any other console.

You mean like Gravity Daze, Escape Plan, Little Deviants, Unit 13, Dokuro, Sumioni and upcoming titles like Tearway or Soul Sacrifice?

Post like these are "exactly" what I was talking about earlier. People are looking for a reason "Why" it might fail/or they don't want it, instead of looking for reasons why they should. That mentality is really what is harming the Vita and why it will be an uphill battle for Sony even when more unique games hit the market.

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

lol.

Everyone's trolling, but you still won't pick one up until it drops in price.

Problem?

Currently there are no games out for it I really want to play.

Senran Kagura and PSO2 are the two games I am interested in. Sadly the Vita library skews too heavily in favor of Western audiences presently, so I'm hoping it gets a bit of that classic PSP software shine later in life.

Plus I'm hoping the hardware revision will include TV out.

I'm one of those screwballs that's incredibly fascinated by the idea of a console that is both your portable console and your home console. I think that is the future for dedicated handhelds.

Don't see how that's "trolling" as I'm not spewing unsubstantiated, or moronic nonsense.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

If they have proprietary memory cards of course it is going to cost more because they have to shoulder the burden of making them on their own. If they went with SD they wouldn't have to deal with designing or retrofitting one of their factories to make the cards.

Given what happened with the PSP though it should be understandable "why" they went this route.

The PS3 supported open memory and the system was the most secure out of all other systems.

 

[exmachina64]

Sony's current smartphones sell much, much better than their videogame consoles.

And their smartphones are garbage! It puzzles me so.

Spoiler

/Nexus purist

 

[AgentOtaku]

The Vita is the only system I play. These theads lamenting "no games" started by people who don't own one are hilarious

Agreed

90 percent of my gaming nowadays is on MAH VITA

 

[AlexM]

If they have proprietary memory cards of course it is going to cost more because they have to shoulder the burden of making them on their own. If they went with SD they wouldn't have to deal with designing or retrofitting one of their factories to make the cards.

Given what happened with the PSP though it should be understandable "why" they went this route.

Yeah but passing that expense on to the consumers is not going to help the Vita's adoption rate.

 

[alterno69]

People always say they want original games instead of ports or spinoffs but truth is if that were the case the console would be in even worse shape. Every console or handheld in history has thrived thanks to a healthy mix of both, original games and spinoffs. Just look at the 3ds, what are the best selling games for it? The classic Nintendo franchises plus a franchise that isn't new like Munster Hunters.

The problem with the Vita is not ports per se, but the fact that many of those ports are just not good enlugh or lazy jobs like Fifa and COD. If those to games alone were 70% of what the console versions are the console would be in much better shape. Fuck, i own the thing and i'm a huge Fifa and Cod fan but there's no way i'm giving those lazy fuckers my money until they get their shit together. Problem is those games are so succesful on consoles that maybe it's not worth it for them to invest more than they are right now.

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

People always say they want original games instead of ports or spinoffs but truth is if that were the case the console would be in even worse shape. Every console or handheld in history has thrived thanks to a healthy mix of both, original games and spinoffs. Just look at the 3ds, what are the best selling games for it? The classic Nintendo franchises plus a franchise that isn't new like Munster Hunters.

Nintendo always gets a free pass on this.

If you call them out on this, then expect the argument to change to the intangibles about how Nintendo franchises are magically more acceptable than other companies franchises, yadda yadda yadda. Sleep mode was the best thing about the PSP and made every game "bite sized" and convenient.

Sadly what most people seem to be saying is they only ever want Nintendo handhelds, and now iPhones.

 

[Father_Brain]

The PS3 supported open memory and the system was the most secure out of all other systems.

Also, 3DS uses standard SD cards, and yet there's no piracy after over a year and a half. Cash grab is cash grab.

 

[Takuan]

FF Type 0 bundle. It's all I need.

A new Tactics title couldn't hurt, either.

 

[JonnyBigBoss]

I see no hope for it. It's expensive to make and really has very little to offer over devices that are cheaper and have better games.

 

[staticneuron]

The PS3 supported open memory and the system was the most secure out of all other systems.

So secure it got hacked right?

Nintendo always gets a free pass on this.

If you call them out on this, then expect the argument to change to the intangibles about how Nintendo franchises are magically more acceptable than other companies franchises, yadda yadda yadda. Sleep mode was the best thing about the PSP and made every game "bite sized" and convenient.

Sadly what most people seem to be saying is they only ever want Nintendo handhelds, and now iPhones.

^

Also, 3DS uses standard SD cards, and yet there's no piracy after over a year and a half. Cash grab is cash grab.

The Legacy of the DS

Not 24 hours since its release, here's the Nintendo 3DS running the notorious R4 flash cart. It's not that much of a surprise - probably doesn't even qualify as a hack, as a 3DS is fully backward compatible with DS cartridges, essentially what this is.

Carried over to the3DS

Well, the veil around that has been punctured. Pirates Concerned citizens who pirate back up their legitimately purchased and owned copies of 3DS games may be interested to know that "Crown3DS," a new flashcard developed in the middle of last month, is capable of running Splinter Cell 3D. It'll take some time to get the thing down to a manageable and distributable size, but hackers have proven it's possible.

It's been done. It isn't mainstream yet but the sheer fact that this happened so quickly doesn't really bode well for using regular media to secure these content.

 

[jman2050]

Sadly what most people seem to be saying is they only ever want Nintendo handhelds, and now iPhones.

That seems to be more or less what it boils down to now. How does Sony compete against that sentiment?

 

[Kodiak]

The hardware is so good, so complete that the vision for it is completely self explanatory. Here it is:

"A really great dual analog gaming experience."

That's it. Deliver full, tasty games that realize that experience and you would have a system that appeals to a big enough base to be successful. Put some god damned effort in to original titles that capture that classic Dual Shock experience. Give us a new Ape Escape, give us a decent Monster Hunter, give us a great Devil May Cry 3 port.

They even have a beautiful killer app sitting on their doorstep called Call of Duty, and they farmed it out to one of the worst companies imaginable at a crucial point when such a hit would reverse the systems fate.

On top of that, bring over the god damned indie stars. If I have Limbo or Closure on my PS3, let me play the damned games on my Vita. They would look great on that screen. Do what Nintendon't and get The Binding of Isaac. Rayman: Origins was fucking beautiful on the system and the screen is literally begging for more HD 2D goodness.

Games with buttons. Games with Dual Analog. Sony has the niche sitting on their plate and they are pissing on it.

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

That seems to be more or less what it boils down to now. How does Sony compete against that sentiment?

Like I said in a previous post.

Make the portable the console. Do not have two different markets, and do not pull a Nintendo and make a tablet a controller. Make the console portable and sell a docking station that hooks up to your TV and controllers for the home.

That is my dream. None of this Transfarring nonsense, and buying two copies of games. Yeah that's great for the bean counters, but how many people would actually do that?

Sadly this will most likely never happen. Who knows what will become of the Vita and Sony's handheld division, and worst case scenario Sony just flees back to TV consoles exclusively.

Such a shame after the absolutely amazing PSP run. So many exceptional games.

 

[Qwell]

Well just wanted to report in that I just got myself the Vita CoD bundle. Traded in one of my PS3's I wasn't using anymore because it got too loud along with an old PSP and some other stuff. Using a gift card it only cost me $16 real monies.

After the PS+ announcement I figured it was time. Considering how much stuff I have gotten for the PS3 from my plus sub, and since the Vita+ stuff is just rolled up in it, I figure I would get my monies worth over time.

Really looking forward to getting PS Battle Royal which should be here Wednesday or so, loved the beta. I'm hoping LPB Vita gets released on PS+ eventually, and I'll probably pick up Rayman Origins as I still haven't played it yet.

 

[TheSeks]

TV out not being in is absolutely bonkers after it came in the PSP-2000's, yeah.

But I don't see how consolidating the systems into Sony just being a handheld company is going to fix the stigma around the system, Take-out.

 

[Mentaiko_Allergy]

The hardware is so good, so complete that the vision for it is completely self explanatory. Here it is:

"A really great dual analog gaming experience."

That's it. Deliver full, tasty games that realize that experience and you would have a system that appeals to a big enough base to be successful. Put some god damned effort in to original titles that capture that classic Dual Shock experience. Give us a new Ape Escape, give us a decent Monster Hunter, give us a great Devil May Cry 3 port.

They even have a beautiful killer app sitting on their doorstep called Call of Duty, and they farmed it out to one of the worst companies imaginable at a crucial point when such a hit would reverse the systems fate.

On top of that, bring over the god damned indie stars. If I have Limbo or Closure on my PS3, let me play the damned games on my Vita. They would look great on that screen. Do what Nintendon't and get The Binding of Isaac. Rayman: Origins was fucking beautiful on the system and the screen is literally begging for more HD 2D goodness.

Games with buttons. Games with Dual Analog. Sony has the niche sitting on their plate and they are pissing on it.

Thank you! Damn, I've been begging for that shit since it came out. They are sitting on a gold mine with ps2 content. What is the malfunction?

 

[OldJadedGamer]

So secure it got hacked right?t

It still stands as the most secure system out of all systems for decades now. All systems get hacked but comparing the PSP to the PS3 in regards to running pirated games is comical at best. PS3 had open memory and was/is super secure.

 

[neptunes]

TV out not being in is absolutely bonkers after it came in the PSP-2000's, yeah.

But I don't see how consolidating the systems into Sony just being a handheld company is going to fix the stigma around the system, Take-out.

I don't know why people want TV out on the Vita when devs are pulling all sorts of sub-native res trickery to get their games to look good. I think vita games blown up would look very ugly.

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

TV out not being in is absolutely bonkers after it came in the PSP-2000's, yeah.

But I don't see how consolidating the systems into Sony just being a handheld company is going to fix the stigma around the system, Take-out.

But it wouldn't be just a handheld company.

It would be a new console paradigm.

Vita already has gobs of great hardware features that mimic the popular input mechanisms of tablets and smartphones.

Plus we would lose all the "This is a dumbed down version of X", because it would be The Version of X. What you play on the road is what you would play when you get home and docked.

But yeah, I'm probably like one of six people who would love to see this new console paradigm come to pass.

 

[Father_Brain]

It's been done. It isn't mainstream yet but the sheer fact that this happened so quickly doesn't really bode well for using regular media to secure these content.

Yeah, grasping at straws to defend a blindingly obvious cash grab.

That was over a year ago, and as far as I can tell, there have been no updates from Crown3DS or any other reports of progress towards a working 3DS flashcard from any other group since then. I think it's more likely than not that the Splinter Cell video was faked.

 

[chickdigger802]

I still won't believe sony gives a fuck about vita until the day they give capture kits to press.

Seriously, zero screenshots, zero direct feed footage of their probably biggest vita game for the west this holiday?

 

[Hydrargyrus]

I don't know, but with the PN+ announcement for VITA I have really changed my mind.

Now, I see vita like a portable device that gets free games all the months and only costs 200€ (+shitty memory cards).

I suppose that I won't be the only that have changed his point of view in this week...

 

[Spinluck]

Man, can't remember the last time I rung up someone for a Vita. I actually really can't. But I know for sure I have... or was that a PSP??.. No, it was definitely a Vita, they bought no games with it, I think.

 

[DangerousDave]

Memory card prices are obnoxious and no one will deny that. It is something that holds the system back.

I'm not sure that memory card prices is something that hold the system back from the average consumer. Most packs have a memory card included, and I'm sure that people don't go to the shops to buy a Vita and then, when they see that they need to pay an extra $20, they decide to go back empty-handed.

This is like saying that 3DS is not selling as much as DS on west because it's not region free.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

I'm not sure that memory card prices is something that hold the system back from the average consumer. Most packs have a memory card included, and I'm sure that people don't go to the shops to buy a Vita and then, when they see that they need to pay an extra $20, they decide to go back empty-handed.

This is like saying that 3DS is not selling as much as DS on west because it's not region free.

That $20 just lets you boot games. In order to use things like PS+ or to hold things like patches for your games (COD patch is 1/8 the size of the smallest card) you need to get bigger cards. Point is, it is an extra cost that should be included with the system and is a turn off to consumers consider most games won't even boot without one.

The 3DS and even DS can boot games out of the box without the consumer paying more money.

 

[faridmon]

I don't understand how someone can say this. PSP has a very robust library of quality content. Maybe not from third party western developers but expecting that on a handheld is a joke.

By the end of its life: Sure, it had a great library. But Pre-Monster Hunter boom, its library was lacking.

 

[pharmboy044]

I still won't believe sony gives a fuck about vita until the day they give capture kits to press.

Seriously, zero screenshots, zero direct feed footage of their probably biggest vita game for the west this holiday?

Any idea why they would do this?

 

[snap0212]

Any idea why they would do this?

Because video coverage is the thing at this day and age and there's none* for any Vita games.

*A developer walkthrough here and there really doesn't count. We need video reviews, screenshots, gameplay footage.

 

[staticneuron]

It still stands as the most secure system out of all systems for decades now. All systems get hacked but comparing the PSP to the PS3 in regards to running pirated games is comical at best. PS3 had open memory and was/is super secure.

Point stands that them trying to be open ended up biting them in the end. With the next console I wouldn't be surprised if they either didn't offer some features or worded the Eula/tos in a way that the consumer can't say anything about them stopping support of a compromised console.

Yeah, grasping at straws to defend a blindingly obvious cash grab.

That was over a year ago, and as far as I can tell, there have been no updates from Crown3DS or any other reports of progress towards a working 3DS flashcard from any other group since then. I think it's more likely than not that the Splinter Cell video was faked.

The project stalled simply because they are out of money but the point still stands that this was done quickly. I doubt Nintendo invested in some supersafe unhackable tech and thier policy on using established/proven hardware doesn't help at all.

But in regards to the Vita cartridges I am not defending it (someone always has to resort to that on these forums don't they) I am pointing out that there is more reasons to it that simply "cash grab" Security being one and the other is Sony's history with new formats. The love playing around with that stuff.

 

[Ronok]

It's been done. It isn't mainstream yet but the sheer fact that this happened so quickly doesn't really bode well for using regular media to secure these content.

You say it's not mainstream yet, but is crown3ds even released to the public? Has it been verified as being a legitimate hack? :-/

EDIT: I see you replied to someone else... Basically no proof it was ever a real hack.

 

[Tobor]

But it wouldn't be just a handheld company.

It would be a new console paradigm.

Vita already has gobs of great hardware features that mimic the popular input mechanisms of tablets and smartphones.

Plus we would lose all the "This is a dumbed down version of X", because it would be The Version of X. What you play on the road is what you would play when you get home and docked.

But yeah, I'm probably like one of six people who would love to see this new console paradigm come to pass.

It would be a step down from the quality of games available on PS3, and next gen multiplat ports would disappear. It would be suicide.

Nintendo could have pulled it off, since a handheld with Vita's power would still be a step up from the Wii.

 

[Amory]

am I the only one thinking the vita is stabilizing, at least in terms of a game library? In the last month we've got littlebigplanet, liberation, nfsmw, call of duty (yeah, i know, $50, but it sounds like it turned out ok), ragnarok odyssey, p4g is out next week...

it's not all that bad.

 

[Captain Tuttle]

Sony's current smartphones sell much, much better than their videogame consoles.

Is this true? Do you have numbers? That's...troubling to say the least.

 

[evilromero]

That seems to be more or less what it boils down to now. How does Sony compete against that sentiment?

People said the same thing about Sony hardware for years. Things can change.

 

[DBT85]

Is this true? Do you have numbers? That's...troubling to say the least.

I don't understand why that is troubling? Almost everyone has a phone, not close to everyone wants a console.

Samsung alone sold 94m smartphones last year, Apple about the same, Nokia 77m, RIM 51m, HTC 44m while Others sold 132m.

The PS3 and X360 didn't even crack 30m combined last year.

The PS2's best year was only 22m

 

[pharmboy044]

Because video coverage is the thing at this day and age and there's none* for any Vita games.

*A developer walkthrough here and there really doesn't count. We need video reviews, screenshots, gameplay footage.

No, you misunderstood me. I wanted to know why Sony doesn't give out capture equipment for the Vita.

 

[Social]

I love this handheld a lot. The 3DS has so much less going for it atm. There really aren't any games coming out for it that I want apart from Paper Mario (despite mediocre reviews) and Luigi's Mansion. What else is there to look forward to or to own?

With the Vita I did not have much fun in the beginning but then it got more games and it's just awesome now!

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Why does the phone thing keep being brought up? I thought they brought out a PSP-like phone and it bombed.

To be fair the Xperia Play was a incredible overpriced product with lackluster hardware. It was before Sony introduced more reasonable prices, better hardware and design to their Xperia lineup.

 

[Baconsammy]

am I the only one thinking the vita is stabilizing, at least in terms of a game library? In the last month we've got littlebigplanet, liberation, nfsmw, call of duty (yeah, i know, $50, but it sounds like it turned out ok), ragnarok odyssey, p4g is out next week...

it's not all that bad.

It has a Metacritic average of 29 at the moment. 29 is not a game that "turned out OK". 50 dollars for that is a crime against nature.

 

[Canis lupus]

Why does the phone thing keep being brought up? I thought they brought out a PSP-like phone and it bombed.!

Xperia Play was as expensive as an iPhone. Sony should make a 7" Vita tablet.

 

[DBT85]

No, you misunderstood me. I wanted to know why Sony doesn't give out capture equipment for the Vita.

That may in part be because if I were to capture video from it and display it on my site, it would look fucking terrible for many games. You only need to look at the screenshot thread to see what some of the screens look like.

Maybe that's also why there is no HDMI, Golden Abyss would look god awful on a 40" display.

 

[Balb]

I was never a big fan of the PSP-style shell. If they based the Vita on the PSP Go's design, I'd be much more enticed to buy one.