Neon Genesis Evangelion
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25 and 26 are some of the weirdest TV ever produced. You should watch them.
Uhm, you 100% need to watch 25-26. You are missing the psychological element to EOE without watching those. The under pinnings that explain everything you see in EOE is there.
XANDER CAGE
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Why wouldn't you watch them?
It's really hard to discern honest opinions from sarcasm here!
Because it's just intellectual masturbation and I consider EoE to be self sufficient. If the budget wasn't THAT cheap, it could have been good. But it just feels like a half-assed draft.
Honest opinion.
XANDER CAGE
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Even if that's the conclusion you came to, shouldn't someone watching the series for the first time watch them too and be able to decide for themselves whether they feel that way? It's not like they're a throwaway, tertiary product like Steel Girlfriend or that chibi Eva show that can be happily ignored. They're part of the main series, and if you're going to watch the main series you might as well watch the whole thing.
They are not "part" of the main series, they're Anno's personal message to Otakus, and the series was never meant to end like that.
You can like it, you can enjoy it, but I don't consider it "necessary". If you don't want to dive into Anno's messages to Okatus and just want to enjoy Evangelion for what it really is in terms of animation and scenario, these two eps are totally optional.
You can like it, you can enjoy it, but I don't consider it "necessary". If you don't want to dive into Anno's messages to Okatus and just want to enjoy Evangelion for what it really is in terms of animation and scenario, these two eps are totally optional.
They are completely part of the series. Message to Otakus? I would say EOE was his message actually.
Episode 25/26 is all about Shinji's character development. You are missing his development as a character completely without viewing them. That would be like forwarding past the middle of "Splitting The Breast" or skipping "Introjection" entirely (those are episode titles) just to watch some robots fight. You lost the point of Evangelion then.
Episode 25/26 is all about Shinji's character development. You are missing his development as a character completely without viewing them. That would be like forwarding past the middle of "Splitting The Breast" or skipping "Introjection" entirely (those are episode titles) just to watch some robots fight. You lost the point of Evangelion then.
XANDER CAGE
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They're part of the original series run and they appear in every box set. Before EoE came out they were also the only "ending" the series had. You don't have to like them but they're not "optional". They're episodes 25 and 26, clear as crystal.
They should absolutely be watched. The eternal argument around them should serve as proof of that.
SteveWinwood
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You should really put anyone telling you to skip episodes (especially the last two) on your ignore list. They are terrible people and not worth listening to.
I have to inform you that you totally missed the message Anno wanted to convey through Evangelion then.
Regulus Tera
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you mustn't run away from reality shinji-kun
This is the sanest post here.
XANDER CAGE
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Anno's facebush is a thing of sheer beauty.
You have to inform me? First, that's just an odd statement. Second, Evangelion was an expression of Anno's state at the time. As he described himself, a broken man who has been running away for the last 4 years (in a 1995 interview). The story of Evangelion at the core is about Shinji and his character development to the conclusion of "I won't run away" from my reality, once again described by Anno. So if you consider that a message, and not just a story theme, sure... but it's not directed at anything specific... it's directed at the viewer, whoever they may.
Now End of Evangelion was directed to everyone that wasn't happy with the original ending. That's a message to a specific group.
EoE is more of a "here's your ending, and fuck you". Ep 25 and 26's message is: "GTFO, stop watching anime all day and socialize with people". ---> death threats
Regulus Tera
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The irony of the situation being that the vast majority of Evangelion fans are normal mainstream people. Anno was a fucking cunt.
EoE conveys that same message through different means.
sixteen-bit
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i don't particularly like the rebuild films
Yes, that's why he alienated Otaku by telling them they should change, and the more moderate fans who wanted a real ending.
But in the end, everything's fine since we got our ending, as it was originally planned.
It does, but it stays within the scenario of the series. Ep 25 and 26 is more like a parental scolding. It wasn't needed, and wasn't originally planned.
The man is responsible for inspiring a large percentage of the doujins in the world, give him some credit!
Nothing about Evangelion went as originally planned, especially not the ending(s). Anno is all about throwing out plans and improvising.
XANDER CAGE
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But 25 and 26 are a "real ending", at least in terms of character development. They certainly weren't the ending a lot of people wanted, but as episodes they're still interesting and worth watching.
Also I feel like we're all teetering on the edge of spoiling too much for the OP, if they're still reading this thread. Just watch the series and End of Evangelion and come to your own conclusions.
Regulus Tera
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I give him credit for making pizzaroll a grumpy old man. He's my hero.
That's true. Anyway, the real "original" ending in the "proposal" is much, much different from what we got in EoE. But EoE was planned during the series anyway, and certainly not after the fans asked for it, as some people tend to think. There were already drafts, and you can find some elements coming from it in episodes 25 and 26.
That's the issue I have with these episodes actually. Long, looong ago I considered it would be better to watch them AFTER EoE, since they could describe what happens during, and AFTER the movie in terms of character development, especially for Shinji.
But Anno ended EoE in a very ambiguous way, and he might have done it on purpose. That might be the "fuck you" I was talking about previously. Is the ending depressing? Is there really hope? Should we take into account the end of ep26 as a psychological reference? I don't think we can answer that question.
VGChampion
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I really want to finish the series but I started with the new rebuild movies and I just think it would be best to finish with them. Shame how long it takes.
Regulus Tera
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After seeing some Eva 3.0 spoilers, you are doing yourself a disservice by not finishing the original show.
Jex
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He was only depressed while making Nadia!
Watch the original show, both are very different. Tons of things differ, even character development. And it's headed in a totally different direction in terms of events and chronology.
Regulus Tera
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The impression I get from watching interviews of him in the nineties is that he lives in a perpetual state of introspective self-depreciation.
Chuckie
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OP hasn't seen anything yet.
XANDER CAGE
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He fought off depression by throwing himself wholeheartedly into Evangelion, but relapsed when he finished the series.
I also don't think it was true that he was over his depression when making Eva. It was just...somewhat at bay.
Jex
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Well I haven't 'dived deep' into the whole production of the show for quite some time so I can't really say.
ViewtifulJC
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Watch the whole thing, including those last two uh..."interesting" episodes and be like "what the fuck did I just waste my time with!?"
then watch EoE and enjoy the strange mix of satisfaction and "wtf was THAT shit"
then watch EoE and enjoy the strange mix of satisfaction and "wtf was THAT shit"
I perfectly got it, and I read tons of Anno interviews back in the days. You should read again what I said about Anno saying "fuck you" in EoE.
If you think Shinji's feeling in episode 26 and EoE are comparable, fine. But I, as well as tons of other people don't seem to agree with that.
I thought they were beautiful first time I watched them. No lie.
I guess i must be really dumb and simpleminded for not getting any of these subliminal messages after watching Eva TV... actually still now i don't think i get anything... someone care to explain?
When i saw it i knew its weird reputation so i just accepted the ending for what it is without thinking too much into it.
When i saw it i knew its weird reputation so i just accepted the ending for what it is without thinking too much into it.
ViewtifulJC
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Congratulations
Thank you all!
Regulus Tera
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I don't think there's anything subliminal about Evangelion at all.
ViewtifulJC
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Just move past all the mountains of useless overt religious symbolism and prepare for the character studies. That's all anybody seems to care about.
Come for the giant robots, stay for the fucked-up cast
Come for the giant robots, stay for the fucked-up cast
Regulus Tera
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Symbolism implies there was ever any deeper meaning behind the iconography used.
King Mystery
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I watched this series recently. Didn't like it. The way the show ends provides no closure to any of the characters and various unexplained things.
Big O is better.
Big O is better.
Well i guess i am really dumb then... is it supposed to be the narration of the story of a new god (shinji?)? is it supposed to be a metaphor of the hikikomori that exits his situation of hikikomori? I read dumb shit like this time to time but seriously watching the tv series i don't totally get it and for one time i would like someone to explain to me.
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