exmachina64
Banned
Do you really want to go down this road?
Wii U clock speeds are found by marcan
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Do you really want to go down this road?
Steve Youngblood
Member
I don't act like the Wii U is doomed. I just haven't seen anything concrete to get excited about in terms of this hardware being technically competent relative to current and future competition. You seem to think that a lot of the criticism is unfounded based on hearsay from people that you talk to. Personally, I find such claims to be mildly dubious, as the hardware is out there. It's launched. We've gotten on our hands on it, and we've seen footage of games that are coming out soon.
Graphics aren't everything. I understand that. I'm sure there'll be some rock-solid games that deliver the fun on the Nintendo Wii U, and I look forward to playing them being an owner of the machine. But at this point, I just don't understand the resistance some still exhibit into holding out that -- while few think it'll be on par with the systems of tomorrow -- this thing is quite powerful in its own right, and those that don't think so are just being too harsh.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
If there is no Gamepad, you might as well have Nintendo games on other people's consoles (OPC).
That didn't happen to the Wii though.
Heck I could argue that all the Wii 3rd party successes were lazy ports/rehashes and all the 3rd party games that were really innovated with the control sold terribly or mediocrely.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
...meaning you are stuck with dreadfully low-powered hardware for the next 5-6 years. They can't release a Wii U+ with a better CPU and faster RAM.
Edit: GPU is shit too.
HAL_Laboratory
Member
That and the slow ram.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
They could have easily went the wiimote route with a few enhancements. While flawed that method of control is way more interesting that the gamepad gimmick. (and cheap)
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
even if the anecdotal evidence is to believed (Honestly i don't:- it sounds full of crap)
It still means the Wii U is going to either have the gimped versions of multiplats or ones with the gamepad gimmicks shoehorned in.
exactly like the wii.
It still means the Wii U is going to either have the gimped versions of multiplats or ones with the gamepad gimmicks shoehorned in.
exactly like the wii.
It was neither worth it, nor necessary for bc.
The consensus of rumors eventually swung around to favor the GPU, and no, they're not comparable.
HAL_Laboratory
Member
Exactly what I thought you'd say. Would you even know the hardware was "drastically underpowered" had you not seen the specs? Probably not, though I'm sure you will think otherwise. This is exactly why Nintendo doesn't release a lot of info on specs; it's irrelevant. It doesn't affect the quality of their games and it doesn't have any bearing on how the generation will pan out, sales wise. An economic, low power solution that outperforms its more "powerful" rivals is genius in any other business -- only in the world of whiny, nerdy manchildren is it an issue.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Well we still don't know much about the GPU aside from clock speed.
And this is actually on the upper end of realistic expectations.
Colonel Mustard
Banned
All the third party ports thus far gave it away. The hard numbers just confirm what we already knew.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
I dunno, dude. The other day I was toying around with the Gamepad's view of Nintendoland plaza, trying to shake it and jerk it around to get it off synch. But no matter what I did, it kept the same perspective it had with it in front of my lap. There is huge potential for fresh and engrossing gameplay with that one perspective trick/gimmick.
TheGreyHulk
Member
Well, ports will continue to suck if it's just a straight port from 360 and it's in order CPU. The next Xbox is rumored to use a IBM Power7 CPU which is quad core, quad thread ea core which gave us the 16 "core" talk we heard about for the Durango conference. It's out of order and the AMD A10 is out of order, so the future seems to be going into that direction for their CPUs in consoles.
Obviously, the CPU's in the PS4/720 will obliterate this little tri-core, so it really sounds like Nintendo was blowing smoke to us all when they talked about wanting to bring in a more gamer audience so we can get our call of duty, grand theft auto games, but it was all a smoke screen in the end. The only thing they did to cater to devs was give us a pro controller option and that's it.
I think you hit the nail on the head in regards to Nintendo only caring about building a system that's cheap and powerful enough for THEIR franchises. Non of their games require complex AI or complex physics. It's just simple shit, so they just threw in a decent GPU to make it look pretty and that's it.
Luckily for me, I know Nintendo is only about Nintendo. History has shown that people don't buy a ton of 3rd party AAA games on their systems and of course they know this too. No point in building a "360" when gamers will grab those games on their competitors console.
Wii U for Nintendo games
Next Xbox for everything else
PC when that console gen starts dying again
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
Would you be surprised if Aliens runs best on Wii U?
Not saying that this means much, but I feel like it should be brought back up because it seems to have been nixed from the conversation completely:
Just in case it was missed. Just seems like some are doing exactly that.
https://twitter.com/marcan42
Just in case it was missed. Just seems like some are doing exactly that.
https://twitter.com/marcan42
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Considering the number of complaints about the slow UI and load times, absolutely.
HAL_Laboratory
Member
Yes because systems always launch with killer apps that exploit the system's full potential.
It's brand new.
Exactly.
While games like Just Dance 1 and 2, Resident Evil 4, Epic Mickey, and Monster Hunter Tri? Horrible sales. Absolutely abysmal.
*facepalm
Steve Youngblood
Member
I'm really, really baffled by the doubt some seem to express in response to the notion that the Wii U may be a bit under-powered.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
...so its rivals/competition are the 360 and PS3, a.k.a. current gen? because it won't even be in the same ballpark as the 720 and PS4.
Shit in relation to the PS4/720's gpus (most likely).
Being on PC would be the best-case scenario for most video games.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Given all the limitations this hardware has imposed on developers, from the pisspoor mem bandwidth, to the woefully underpowered CPU. It's kind of shocking that the ports have held up as well as they have. GPU must be picking up the slack.
Drinky Crow
Banned
paying $350 for a 360 with better shader support kinda hurts, given the relative paucity of content on that new $350 console
HAL_Laboratory
Member
B-b-but underpowered/low specs/last gen/etc
radioheadrule83
Banned
I'm not talking about Dave here, but the moment a title can be said to run or look better on it, we'll revert back to "DUHURR well done beating 2006 hardware!" and round and round we go
RSLAEV
Member
Fucken' ZING!
Welp, with production budgets for AAA games going into the stratosphere perhaps nintendo is positioning themselves as a safe haven for Japanese developers that won't have Orbis level resources-I mean they *did* manage to snag monster hunter even though the Vita is more powerful than the 3DS. Annd Shin Megami Tensei IV. And they've rescued my girl Bayonetta-If they end up having an enticing enough library of exclusives I can see that working out pretty well.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
No gamepad, Nintendo and their fans are always saying it's about the games. Then put your money where your mouth is. While I'm loving the gamepad features right now I think they could have put the money into better motion controls, and ergonomics.
But it they really wanted a screen:
Smaller screen I think something DS or Iphone size would have been fine. It would require less power to run, and less taxing on the system.
Anyone thinking this wasn't going to be the case was likely delusional.
HAL_Laboratory
Member
I love how you completely factor out the interface as if that weren't the focus of the system. Bravo!
It will run best on 360. Having said that, if there was one Wii-U game that might have had some serious care lavished on it, Aliens is that game. The reputation of the dev is at stake more than the reputation of the console.
They always launch with games indisputably ahead of the previous generation. Well, they used to.
I hate the phrase 'fanboys', so I'll simply say 'brand loyalty'.
Absolutely. I don't buy into the idea that the ultimate potential of the hardware is below current-gen.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
What does that have to do with anything? It's not like the hardware is going to magically upgrade itself.
Saint Gregory
Member
No one's missed anything, people are just choosing to ignore it.
The WiiU is not going to compete technically with the other next gen consoles but the hyberbole in this thread is just amazing. Nintendo may have well released a Tandy computer based on the assumptions of some.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Is there a car analogy for this?
I don't know, this remembers me of people saying 3DS was doomed because of the lack of second analog. Then they added it, then only a few games used it, then the XL didn't have it...
I wouldn't want to make ALWAYS THE SAME COMPARISON, but Vita has 2 sticks but still, 3DS is stronger.
I'll just buy my WiiU tomorrow and keep it for first party titles and such, I would've bought Xbox and PS3 successors anyway.
And hopefully I'll get a Vita for Christmas
I wouldn't want to make ALWAYS THE SAME COMPARISON, but Vita has 2 sticks but still, 3DS is stronger.
I'll just buy my WiiU tomorrow and keep it for first party titles and such, I would've bought Xbox and PS3 successors anyway.
And hopefully I'll get a Vita for Christmas
Well based on the final spec leaked thread, the GPU really isn't anything special. Clock speed is about what I expected, ROPs likely match current gen at 8 ROPS, DX10.1 design, and we don't know if there have been any modifications that can be seen as an upgrade.
It's true that there is still much we don't know, but so far all signs point to "meh" IMO. Keep in mind this is just in comparison to what's expected from the other two next gen.
Drinky Crow
Banned
buying a honda fit with a spoiler and big ol' pipe draggin' off the back? throw on a type-r sticker or 3, 'cuz edram! gpgpu!
theman5141
Neo Member
I realize we have no hard quantitative data for the GPU outside of the clock frequency, but might one of the more sensible Gaffers post several possible scenarios for raw FLOPS performance (with likely shader unit counts)?
Steve Youngblood
Member
Or, if it really is just a matter of a rushed launch where Nintendo is polishing their aces in the hole and third parties just haven't had enough time to get acclimated, you'd think we'd have at least gotten some glimpse into what that dazzling first party software might be. The only thing the Wii U can point to as technological accomplishments is "hey, for as bad as the hardware supposedly is, those rushed ports could have been worse," and "hey, remember how awesome that thirty second Zelda demo looked."
When will the VTEC kick in?
I think we'll see some handsome first party software by the time all's said and done but the notion that we will say 'wow' is well out of the window.
Saint Gregory
Member
Ah yes, this is the Drinky Crow I know. Glad that you got your account back from those damn hackers.
prag16
Banned
Modern Warfare 3 for Wii was probably the one that nailed this the best. Goldeneye and Black Ops were good too.
test_account
XP-39C²
For some reason, this reminded me of that old Sega Genesis commercial hehe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rDpTLY6dpXQ#t=18s
I will probably use Wii tablet for many things besides gaming. While I agree that it'll be inferior to a decent tablet, I don't feel the need to fork $200-250 just to replace the Wii U pad by a tablet in my living room.
Steve Youngblood
Member
I agree with this.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
When the thieving twoc'er nabs it off your drive in the middle of the night.