That's why they needed the exemption. If they beat FSU, they'll be 7-6, but if they lose, they'll be 6-7.
College Football Week 14 - Conference Championship Games and Pseudo Championships
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Man tears.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjpnnR_W4oc
Bridgewater & Watson (OC) embrace after winning game at RU last night...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjpnnR_W4oc
Bridgewater & Watson (OC) embrace after winning game at RU last night...
This stuff about Gruden is some of the strangest stuff I have seen in a coaching search and I would like to think of myself as an expert at this point. It is like on one hand you have boosters/Gruden's agent leaking that they have are almost done and just need more money for assistants. On the other hand you have the AD leaking out that there are no talks going on and we haven't contacted anyone or that the deal had fallen through.
Seems like it has turned into straight up Boosters vs. Dave Hart fight. With boosters wanting Gruden and Hart wanting someone he is close with like Fisher.
Seems like it has turned into straight up Boosters vs. Dave Hart fight. With boosters wanting Gruden and Hart wanting someone he is close with like Fisher.
I'm not sure which would be more comical, Gruden there or Jimbo Fisher.
mre said:
I see. It's weird to see that they were granted an exemption after all the efforts to prevent this situation from occurring.
GoldenEye 007
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To be fair to GA Tech, they kind of got screwed. It's hard to punish them when not one but two teams in front of them for the CCG are ineligible for being dirty, stinking cheaters. If either Miami and UNC were eligible, this wouldn't be a discussion.
Of course, I also think that any team that goes 10-2 should be in line for a bowl game before a 6-6 team, regardless of conference affiliation. If SJSU is left out of a bowl game, then that's going to be really disappointing.
Don't really post in this thread, but there's been quite a few rumors going around that Ga. Tech will announce for the B1G after the ACCCG. Clemson's 24/7 site reported this morning:
As for UNC, insiders say that, sadly, UNC powers-that-be favor B1G due to a perceived ability to better marry "elite athletics with elite academics" :rolleyes Never mind the fact that the geography/travel is retarded and a move to the B1G is a death knell for Mike Fox and UNC baseball (which has been heavily invested in for the past 5 years with a recently built brand new stadium). Apparently UNC AD Bubba Cunningham prefers a move to the SEC, but the BoT prefers B1G.
As for UNC, insiders say that, sadly, UNC powers-that-be favor B1G due to a perceived ability to better marry "elite athletics with elite academics" :rolleyes Never mind the fact that the geography/travel is retarded and a move to the B1G is a death knell for Mike Fox and UNC baseball (which has been heavily invested in for the past 5 years with a recently built brand new stadium). Apparently UNC AD Bubba Cunningham prefers a move to the SEC, but the BoT prefers B1G.
GoldenEye 007
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Those floodgates starting to crack open on the ACC.
Baseball? Non revenue sport so who cares. But yeah BIG isn't expanding to 15, and they strike pretty quietly, they're just doing this to spread chaos amongst the ACC.
And right now in football, it's better to be the southernmost state in a northern conference than the northernmost state in a southern conference.
Not saying this isn't happening, but I highly doubt they'd do it without 16.
Rumor is B1G wants 18 teams and is looking to bring GT, UNC, UVA and Duke along. Divisions would end up looking something like:
Leaders
OSU
PSU
Wisconsin
UNC
UVA
Duke
UMD
GT
Rutgers
Legends
Michigan
Nebraska
Iowa
Michigan St
Northwestern
Illinois
Purdue
Indiana
Minnesota
I always heard the 16 with UVA/UNC (Georgia Tech is a problem as Georgia belongs to UGA). I'm not sure I like this ... the legends division would destroy the leaders division especially with how PSU is currently down.
Those cheers you hear are coming from UConn and Cincinnati.
B1G will always keep OSU and Michigan separate for the simple fact of a B1G Championship matchup possibility. Would probably play 9 conference games and 3 OOC games. Conference games would be 8 against your division and 1 permanent intra-division "rival" (so OSU/Michigan happens every year). I'm assuming the 3 OOC would include one FCS/patsy, one out-of-conference "rival" (likely NCSU for UNC) and one other random team/matchup (in UNC's case, maybe ECU?).
GoldenEye 007
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You'll soon hear them from me too the second FSU and/or Miami is out the door. That's our only shot.
It would have to be pods. The real question is after pods how long till conference championships become final four type set ups? Two games at a neutral site one weekend followed by another game the next?
Also new report of Gruden declining. Would he please just publicly say he isn't coming so the wacko portion of the fan are can get over it and move to more realistic candidates.
And if that Big 18 happens I guess VT and NCSU to SEC.
Also new report of Gruden declining. Would he please just publicly say he isn't coming so the wacko portion of the fan are can get over it and move to more realistic candidates.
And if that Big 18 happens I guess VT and NCSU to SEC.
GoldenEye 007
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Getting?
You'll get NCSU and VT most likely- both of which will be solid additions.
possibly NCSU/UNC.
B..b..but you guys are going to be big shots in the Big East-West! Big fish little pond or little fish big pond?
Couldn't happen with the 18 teams you've stated. 18/2 is 9! That's 8 conference games just to play your division. 9 games lets you have 1 game a year against the other division. Everyone sets up a rival and never plays anyone else again? 10 games lets you have 2 games in the other division. That means you'll get home and home completed once a decade. Oops, rivalry games screws that up. So, once every 2 decades.
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...land-acc-50-million-buyout-sec-big-ten-pac-12
Yes you're right, missed that. Maybe you only play the other 7 teams if you and one of them make it to the championship game? Not sure.
About the "Big 4"
We always knew who 3 of them were (SEC, B1G, and PAC).
It's been the battle over who the 4th was going to be, ACC or Big XII. Crazy See Saw action. Remember when the Big XII almost fell apart, back in the MDC days. Hell, the conference lost 4 teams. Then the ACC picked up some Big East teams and ND (kinda).
But now it's swung heavily the other way, and now it seems the B1G has decided, it'd rather have the Big XII stick around, and instead put a pillow to the ACC's face.
Not sure about adding even more games, to "unpaid student athletes."
I'd imagine teams would demand to have larger scholarship rosters, more bye weeks, and other changes, to overcome the added chances of injuries.
Bowser: Yeah, I wondered about if these uber conferences would actually become "2 separate conferences" that would meet in a championship. Like the NL/AL in baseball before interleague play.
We always knew who 3 of them were (SEC, B1G, and PAC).
It's been the battle over who the 4th was going to be, ACC or Big XII. Crazy See Saw action. Remember when the Big XII almost fell apart, back in the MDC days. Hell, the conference lost 4 teams. Then the ACC picked up some Big East teams and ND (kinda).
But now it's swung heavily the other way, and now it seems the B1G has decided, it'd rather have the Big XII stick around, and instead put a pillow to the ACC's face.
Not sure about adding even more games, to "unpaid student athletes."
I'd imagine teams would demand to have larger scholarship rosters, more bye weeks, and other changes, to overcome the added chances of injuries.
Bowser: Yeah, I wondered about if these uber conferences would actually become "2 separate conferences" that would meet in a championship. Like the NL/AL in baseball before interleague play.
GoldenEye 007
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I think the ultimate endgame is to get presidents to essentially boot the NCAA. Just run things for themselves and not worry about any NCAA bureaucracy. Or at least create another tier of divisions.
bucknuticus
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Fuck all this.
The big 4 was cemented this year with the ACC's absolutely shitty TV deal compared to the B12's. B12 also has stronger football with the marquis of marquis schools, and the exit provisions are a big stronger (GOR won't stand up in court I believe either, but the BIG doesn't want to pick up a GOR School as that's what the BIG's exits rights are).
Gtech should be seconds (after FSU) on the teams that you guys want to poach.
BertramCooper
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Outside of Texas, the Big 12 doesn't have any media markets that are attractive to the B1G. The ACC, on the other hand, has several. So it makes much more sense for the B1G to pick apart the ACC rather than the Big 12.
After the MDC days I've never been worried about the Big XII's solvency. Since the TCU/WVU pickup I've always thought they're one of the "guaranteed" 4, especially with the Big XII/SEC bowl agreements. There's been basically no talk about anybody taking Big XII schools (just like there's been no talk about SEC, B1G, or PAC schools leaving) while there's been a lot of talk (and, now, of course, actual action) on ACC schools leaving or wanting to leave and being "held hostage" by the buyout.
As for who the Big XII might add I've never been all that big a fan of adding Miami but if GTech is really off the board I don't know who else would be noticeably better.
My thoughts exactly.
This is the pecking order for schools
Tier 1:
FSU
Clemson
SEC-quality schools already. An asset to whoever takes them.
Tier 2:
UNC
NCSU
VT
UVA
UNC has the basketball but benefits the most from ACC corruption. NCSU doesn't have the results, but has a large,loyal fanbase, VT has a good program all around, and UVA is on VT"s coattails. Also VA and NC are the biggest prizes TV-wise that are unclaimed
These schools would need some work to get up to standard, VT is the closest, then NCSU, then UNC, then UVA.
I don't see any scenarion where any Tier 1 or 2 school is left in the cold
Tier 3:
GT
Pitt
Syracuse
Louisville
GT has academics but isn't a big player in the Atlanta market, Pitt/Syr/Louis are small markets
Tier 4 and likely to be left out:
Miami
BC
Duke
Wake
Tiny fanbases and few folks watch their games.
Tier 1:
FSU
Clemson
SEC-quality schools already. An asset to whoever takes them.
Tier 2:
UNC
NCSU
VT
UVA
UNC has the basketball but benefits the most from ACC corruption. NCSU doesn't have the results, but has a large,loyal fanbase, VT has a good program all around, and UVA is on VT"s coattails. Also VA and NC are the biggest prizes TV-wise that are unclaimed
These schools would need some work to get up to standard, VT is the closest, then NCSU, then UNC, then UVA.
I don't see any scenarion where any Tier 1 or 2 school is left in the cold
Tier 3:
GT
Pitt
Syracuse
Louisville
GT has academics but isn't a big player in the Atlanta market, Pitt/Syr/Louis are small markets
Tier 4 and likely to be left out:
Miami
BC
Duke
Wake
Tiny fanbases and few folks watch their games.
GoldenEye 007
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If the Pac 12 gets itchy again, though....
If they ever find a compromise on the Longhorn Network, things could get interesting on that front again.
FelixOrion
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Uh...Duke Basketball?
Means nothing markets then football are driving expansion.
FelixOrion
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Well when he lists that UNC has a positive in having a good basketball team but omits that from Duke...
GoldenEye 007
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UNC football has shown more promise (despite the cheating) and probably has longer term upside versus Duke football, though.
Oh State fans...love your inferiority complex. Nice clown coaching search with Dykes going to Cal most likely and Morris taking himself out of consideration.
This is more because nobody really wants the Big XII schools other than Texas and Oklahoma. Most of the other schools would make excellent complements to Texas or Oklahoma should one of those schools bail on the conference, but, on their own, are not really desirable additions.
When did that happen? Or was it one of those times where nothing really came out other than the "I am happy where I am" thing. I would have liked him but I didn't think he was a realistic choice since it takes a special kind of person to leave a job after one season ( also why I think the people throwing Mora out are retarted).
Todd Graham to Tenner.
Sirpopopop
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Now that Rutgers has its parachute out, I agree.
This will seriously impact our ability to get a good coach in the post-Flood era.
Gamecocks625
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This is all so crazy. A part of me just wants to see the ACC burn to the ground but...dang. FSU and Clemson to the Big 12 and UNC/Duke to the SEC would be wild. At least UNC athletic/academic ethics probably play nicely with those in the SEC West.
Texas A&M received an F from the Black Coaches and Administrators for its hiring of Kevin Sumlin: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...hiring-report-card.ap/index.html?sct=cf_t2_a6
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