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girls in general seem to like the bigger guys, though

i know it can seem that way, but i don't think it's true. some girls say stuff like that too, you know, men only like skinny women with big tits, etc. but that's not true either. look at all of the different body types of people that are getting laid out there.


coming off pills isnt exactly working
get no sleep and feel extra shitty

but on them is just as bad in a different way
its a lose lose situation

i wish you luck with that, man. done it multiple times myself, shit is rough.
 
i know it can seem that way, but i don't think it's true. some girls say stuff like that too, you know, men only like skinny women with big tits, etc. but that's not true either. look at all of the different body types of people that are getting laid out there.




i wish you luck with that, man. done it multiple times myself, shit is rough.

Representing 'skinny guys are hot!' ladies right here.

I dislike big muscley blokes, I love the more slender guys.
 
Just whip up something, it's always better than nothing. I did the bulk of my written thesis in two weeks so you just need to go into zen mode and it's possible.

Nah man, I think this will finally be my breaking point. If I have somehow managed to squander this opportunity as well ( along side every other single occasion in my entire life that I can think of ) then that's it, I don't know what I'll do. Right now I'm just going to show up on Thursday, swallow my nonexistent pride and see what happens.

Slender fan.

Meat fan.

What about us poor guys in the middle? =[
 
Nah man, I think this will finally be my breaking point. If I have somehow managed to squander this opportunity as well ( along side every other single occasion in my entire life that I can think of ) then that's it, I don't know what I'll do. Right now I'm just going to show up on Thursday, swallow my nonexistent pride and see what happens.





What about us poor guys in the middle? =[

Not too skinny, not to muscular, not too fat. I like in the middle guys. =D But you're prolly straight.
 
Not too skinny, not to muscular, not too fat. I like in the middle guys. =D But you're prolly straight.

Sounds like me. I don't even know what I am anymore. Feels like my libido died in the medieval times. That's how long ago it was.
 
I just realized that all I had to eat yesterday was 4 hard boiled eggs and some chocolate. No wonder my stomach hates me from eating a couple pieces of toast. I've lost like 5 pounds in the past week from a lack of eating. I'm down ~20 pounds from the weight I was when I was working out 3 times a week and putting a ton of effort into eating a lot. My appetite has been shit for months now but until the past few days I've managed to eat enough to maintain. Shiiiiiiit.

Also my sleep cycle has gone to hell. A month ago I was waking up at noon every day, then 1pm, then 2pm, now I'm sleeping until 3pm everyday. I need to buy some weed to get this shit under control.
 
Another lonely evening... =/ This feeling sucks.

I'm here. As always.

Can't sleep. Hungry as shit, can't eat.

Although I feel...good? Nah not good but something... heard a friend didn't get a job he wanted. If I ever needed to know there's something wrong with me it's the realization that the misery of others suddenly make me happy and vice versa, their success makes me sick to my stomach. What's wrong with me :/
 
Well another Monday... Another day/week to feel that pain in my chest that won't go away.

Woo... ._.

Well at least I know the day of today is though. Thanks for reminding me to make sure!

And we'll help make the pain at least somewhat bearable, you have us.
*hugs*

Representing 'skinny guys are hot!' ladies right here.

I dislike big muscley blokes, I love the more slender guys.

Are you sure we're not secretly twins?
(Yes skinny guys are the best, muscles tend to scare me off rather than attract me to a guy...Is that normal?...)


Last night got bad...somehow my mother discovered my knife in my room and removed it.
But she still hasn't said anything to me about it.
Eh, still can't talk to her about it.
I was still feeling like shit even without finding a knife and started slashing myself again.
(Turned out to be a lot sharper than the dull knife weirdly enough.)
Only contacted one person (when I should have contacted two but thought I would bother the latter) about it...
I'm starting to really accept the idea that I can't be helped in any way what so ever, and I'm ok with it.
 
You're not worthless.

If it helps, some girls like scrawny guys. Don't ask me why, I'm not going to complain. (16.5 BMI :( )

But seriously, you're not worthless. I'll be on a 4h overlay where you live in a few weeks, if you wanna visit me at the airport? I'll give you a real-life hug. Til then: -virtual hug- Your parents don't sound very understanding, I'm sorry to hear that :/

You're not worthless. Not even close.
It's my opinion, of course. In my opinion you're worth quite a lot. It's up to you whether you think my opinions are total trash :)

Re: being skinny. I feel you man. I dipped so low a couple of times I had to go see a doctor. As Smiley said, though, there are some girls that are into it. Sure, we'll never be 'built'...but at least I don't feel obligated to try!

Plus your weight will grow and stabilize a bit through your college years. I was all up and down through age 18/19 but have been a tiny bit heftier and much more consistent since.

Thanks for the confidence boost, guys. Really needed that.

Smiley, I'd love to come see you at the airport, but the shitty thing is, I have no clue how to get there by public transportation (could look it up, though!), though it may be awkward if I tell my parents I'm meeting someone (that I don't know xD) at the airport. Yeaah. Dammit, you just need to come spend a week in TO, and enjoy our... crazy weather. :D

And Piano, I don't care to be "built", just toned. Always been a slim guy, so being bulky seems rather weird to me.

Kinda know how you feel. I trouble on the motivation end and have a hard time focusing and getting work done.

It really fucking blows. I'm so behind on assignments and homework that I have no clue where to start.
 
(Yes skinny guys are the best, muscles tend to scare me off rather than attract me to a guy...Is that normal?...)

Yeah most girls prefer that. Big muscles are unnatural so of course they would be a turn off. They also allude to insecurity as well, also a turn off.

Anyways, meditation class is in session again.

Lesson 6(60 seconds of meditation)
Hopefully you've been finding that you are more relaxed after each lesson. Even taking one deep breath relaxes you, so even these 1 minute lessons should see you temporarily feeling significantly more relaxed.

This lesson aims to develop your concentration. Concentration is a key skill in life and also one of the key skills needed to meditate. When your thoughts are chaotic you'll struggle to relax. When you can concentrate you can better relax. Concurrently when you are relaxed you can better concentrate. A positive cycle :)

We're gonna take a page out of the Yoga book and incorporate some Ujjayi Breathing. This'll get you in touch with your inner Darth Vader. First stand in the wonder woman pose. Breathe in through your nose, and then breathe out through your mouth as if you are trying to fog up a mirror, your throat is slightly tightened. Aim the breath along the back of the throat. You should hear the sound of your breath. Breathe in again and then slowly close your eyes as you fog breathe out. Slowly open your eyes while breathing in and then slowly close them again while fog breathing out.

Then you are going to continue all your breathing through you nose with your mouth closed. Breathe in through your nose, then breathe out through your nose, but with your throat slightly tightened and aiming the air along the back of your throat. You should hear the sound on the outbreath, it's a bit like the ocean and just like Darth Vader.

Try to do the 3,6,3 breathing this way. When you breathe, don't focus on the nose, that makes it harder to breathe deeply. When you start breathing in, focus on your belly, fill and expand your belly and then your lungs. Then when you breathe out empty your lungs and then your belly. Try to do 4 or 5 breaths. Again try to make each breath smoother than the last.
 
Either my body is rebelling and saying it has had enough of my stress hormones raging and has decided to perk me up, or I am slowly beginning to feel better as I am getting through the situation.

Meh.
 
Well at least I know the day of today is though. Thanks for reminding me to make sure!

And we'll help make the pain at least somewhat bearable, you have us.
*hugs*



Are you sure we're not secretly twins?
(Yes skinny guys are the best, muscles tend to scare me off rather than attract me to a guy...Is that normal?...)


Last night got bad...somehow my mother discovered my knife in my room and removed it.
But she still hasn't said anything to me about it.
Eh, still can't talk to her about it.
I was still feeling like shit even without finding a knife and started slashing myself again.
(Turned out to be a lot sharper than the dull knife weirdly enough.)
Only contacted one person (when I should have contacted two but thought I would bother the latter) about it...
I'm starting to really accept the idea that I can't be helped in any way what so ever, and I'm ok with it.

We are totally secret twins, must be. Everyone else looks at me weird when I get all lusty after sharp cheekbones and slender dudes.

*hugs*

Yeah most girls prefer that. Big muscles are unnatural so of course they would be a turn off. They also allude to insecurity as well, also a turn off.

Anyways, meditation class is in session again.

Lesson 6(60 seconds of meditation)
Hopefully you've been finding that you are more relaxed after each lesson. Even taking one deep breath relaxes you, so even these 1 minute lessons should see you temporarily feeling significantly more relaxed.

This lesson aims to develop your concentration. Concentration is a key skill in life and also one of the key skills needed to meditate. When your thoughts are chaotic you'll struggle to relax. When you can concentrate you can better relax. Concurrently when you are relaxed you can better concentrate. A positive cycle :)

We're gonna take a page out of the Yoga book and incorporate some Ujjayi Breathing. This'll get you in touch with your inner Darth Vader. First stand in the wonder woman pose. Breathe in through your nose, and then breathe out through your mouth as if you are trying to fog up a mirror, your throat is slightly tightened. Aim the breath along the back of the throat. You should hear the sound of your breath. Breathe in again and then slowly close your eyes as you fog breathe out. Slowly open your eyes while breathing in and then slowly close them again while fog breathing out.

Then you are going to continue all your breathing through you nose with your mouth closed. Breathe in through your nose, then breathe out through your nose, but with your throat slightly tightened and aiming the air along the back of your throat. You should hear the sound on the outbreath, it's a bit like the ocean and just like Darth Vader.

Try to do the 3,6,3 breathing this way. When you breathe, don't focus on the nose, that makes it harder to breathe deeply. When you start breathing in, focus on your belly, fill and expand your belly and then your lungs. Then when you breathe out empty your lungs and then your belly. Try to do 4 or 5 breaths. Again try to make each breath smoother than the last.


Thank you for continuing to do this, I am trying to work these lessons into my days. You are awesome.
 
Oh, a fucking depression topic. That's real fucking nice.

Well, since this is here, let me tell you what makes me fucking depressed. I make me fucking depressed. I'm fucking depressed because I'm fucking tired of being alone in every one of my fucking opinions and being alone in the things I like. I'm tired of being alone in what I know and think and feel, and I'm tired of spending hours understanding the things I think and whether or not what I like has merit. I'm tired of getting angry when people rip apart the things I like and being unable to control that. I'm tired of trying to explain why I like what I like and the reasons behind why I find merit in things and people calling me a fucking moron and calling what I like a fucking piece of shit anyway instead of trying to fucking understand what I'm saying. I'm so fucking tired of being fucking alone in every fucking opinion I hold that I don't even want to fucking look at anything I like anymore and it's gotten so bad and in such quantity that I am having a mental fucking breakdown right now. So where's my fucking help. How am I supposed to be fucking happy with all these negative opinions of what I love and what makes me happy buzzing in my head with me unable to get through to anybody or just not care about every fucking one of them. Where's my fucking escape from this fucking hell, tell me that.

I cant even fucking discuss something because I see at least one thing I like get bashed every fucking time and I either embarrass myself by getting angry or I have to fucking leave.
 
Oh, a fucking depression topic. That's real fucking nice.

Well, since this is here, let me tell you what makes me fucking depressed. I make me fucking depressed. I'm fucking depressed because I'm fucking tired of being alone in every one of my fucking opinions and being alone in the things I like. I'm tired of being alone in what I know and think and feel, and I'm tired of spending hours understanding the things I think and whether or not what I like has merit. I'm tired of getting angry when people rip apart the things I like and being unable to control that. I'm tired of trying to explain why I like what I like and the reasons behind why I find merit in things and people calling me a fucking moron and calling what I like a fucking piece of shit anyway instead of trying to fucking understand what I'm saying. I'm so fucking tired of being fucking alone in every fucking opinion I hold that I don't even want to fucking look at anything I like anymore and it's gotten so bad and in such quantity that I am having a mental fucking breakdown right now. So where's my fucking help. How am I supposed to be fucking happy with all these negative opinions of what I love and what makes me happy buzzing in my head with me unable to get through to anybody or just not care about every fucking one of them. Where's my fucking escape from this fucking hell, tell me that.

I cant even fucking discuss something because I see at least one thing I like get bashed every fucking time and I either embarrass myself by getting angry or I have to fucking leave.

What are these opinions that you and you alone seem to hold? Maybe you should move to Canada ;)
 
Fuck, I'm not the only one, I know. But when you hold unpopular opinions....it's really easy to feel like you're alone, because everyone else is so vocal. And it builds and builds and builds and builds until I can't even believe in what I think anymore.
 
Fuck, I'm not the only one, I know. But when you hold unpopular opinions....it's really easy to feel like you're alone, because everyone else is so vocal. And it builds and builds and builds and builds until I can't even believe in what I think anymore.

but you like starfox 64
so you're right in that opinion!
 
but you like starfox 64
so you're right in that opinion!

I also like Adventures. Now what do you have to fucking say, because I've heard it all before.

EDIT: Sorry. I had a knee-jerk reaction. I know you meant to be nice, but I don't know how to fix my brain so it's like other brains. Everyone else can just not care what people think. I have to.
 
I also like Adventures. Now what do you have to fucking say, because I've heard it all before.

EDIT: Sorry. I had a knee-jerk reaction. I know you meant to be nice, but I don't know how to fix my brain so it's like other brains. Everyone else cna just not care what people think. I have to.

game was ok
lol
 
Fuck, I'm not the only one, I know. But when you hold unpopular opinions....it's really easy to feel like you're alone, because everyone else is so vocal. And it builds and builds and builds and builds until I can't even believe in what I think anymore.

I have a lot of opinions that aren't widely held either. I comfort myself with the fact from an old George Carlin quote. "Just think of how stupid the average person is, then realize that half of them are dumber than that".
 
Do you guys sometimes look back at a time when you were depressed but still had some things going on in your life and look back at it as the best time of your life?
Yup. My high school years. They weren't too long ago, but back then I still had hope that things would get better. They didn't.

I wish I could live in a small box with just me, a TV, my video games, and my Transformers. That'd be cool.
 
Do you guys sometimes look back at a time when you were depressed but still had some things going on in your life and look back at it as the best time of your life?

My life has been pretty flat, more hopeful of future. Just the getting there part is the struggle for me.

I've had hella brain fog lately. It's like I can't...think. >___<

For me it's a over-thinking but can't put anything to paper, do something tangible so to speak. Time just goes by. Hard to think focus step by step.

Yup. My high school years. They weren't too long ago, but back then I still had hope that things would get better. They didn't.

I wish I could live in a small box with just me, a TV, my video games, and my Transformers. That'd be cool.
That's is what I am in and I want to break out.
 
Failing this class. Digging a deeper hole of an academic record. I had high hopes and trust in myself going in, so how can I be sure for another attempt? Even if I succeeded, further progress would be so slow. Now what to do... reshaping a dream isn't easy. To be realistic about what is in your grasp, yet not give up on every desire. Hope I can land a standard job? Trade school? Either way, I don't want to stay here, but if I have to take one of those routes, leaving may take twice as long. Not breaking out until I'm in my 40s is a maddening thought, makes me want to scream.
 
Failing this class. Digging a deeper hole of an academic record. I had high hopes and trust in myself going in, so how can I be sure for another attempt? Even if I succeeded, further progress would be so slow. Now what to do... reshaping a dream isn't easy. To be realistic about what is in your grasp, yet not give up on every desire. Hope I can land a standard job? Trade school? Either way, I don't want to stay here, but if I have to take one of those routes, leaving may take twice as long. Not breaking out until I'm in my 40s is a maddening thought, makes me want to scream.

How old are you now?
 
I need to clear math to graduate. It is too much for me to be taking with other classes, and it's too much of a risk to take on the costs all the rest of school and then possibly get fucked over with math. I tried to take it first, by itself, but that didn't work out, and it was only the first of 4 classes.

My dream goal would be get the fuck out of here and live/teach/do business in Seoul or Hong Kong. Those require a bachelors degree if you want in any program that isn't shady as fuck. Right now, that seems like dreaming of becoming a billionaire because of the completely irrational yet profoundly powerful issues I have with math. Since I'm brilliant in all other subjects, I am considering school somewhere that does not require math (which are many, fuck you, USA) but that requires getting money to leave and live in whatever said country.

A more realistic goal would simply (lol) be to save up enough money to move out of this shitty little town to somewhere bigger and more cultured, like Portland or something of the sort, and hold together a decent enough life/career that I can sort out some expensive (~40k) medical issues and actually have some sort of retirement, not becoming a burden to someone.

Bear in mind I am starting from ZERO. ZILTCH. NOTHING. No money. No qualifications. No experience besides one food service and one retail job. Homeschooled with a bombed college attempt. I haven't been able to get ANY kind of job for 3 years, so my hopes are not high.
 
That's not really a dream goal. :P

But I like that you're thinking of the steps to get to where you want. That's actually more important than the actual seeing-your-self-under-bright-lights thing. By that measure you're ahead of the game.

Math is the one subject you can't talk your way out of! :P My math teacher said that to me cause I was always late. lol. I remember being 15, and saying to the teacher: so says you! Boy, I thought I was so smart being in the accelerated maths class and all.

Yeah I was more focused on the lights than the actual thinking about the work required to get there.

I'm grateful though. Lessons learnt etc.

My sister says that I've never really failed at anything so I shouldn't talk like I know what it's like. It's not true though. I've failed every expectation I've ever set for my self.

Really, I find my self at a loss as to how to help you guys. Some of the stuff I hear here, makes clear, of the presence of this bubble I might have been living in.

To cheer my self up, I treat myself. Watch a great feel good movie or something. But you guys have to get through another day, another night, another week. I do genuinely feel sorry for all of you guys.

They say trying to be grateful helps. There's science support there, but I can't find a reputable source at the moment. I think you have to think of 3 things that you are grateful for. Is there anything you're grateful for? Like something that went good for you maybe in the past week?

@Dice. You're hell a smart. You know it. I know it. So you know exactly what to do. Now it's time to actually get down and do it. I suppose. That's all I got. :P
 
No, the "just doing it" was the math class, and I "just didn't" and it was several months of perpetual self-fighting turmoil day and night, putting off other things to make as much opportunity for it as possible, not doing it, reminding myself all the reasons it is important, reminding myself it was just one little step at a time, reiterating my commitment to my family/friends/teacher, still not doing it, having nightmares about it, having a nonsensically torturous time even when I would do it, etc. As I said originally, they are "irrational yet profoundly powerful issues" which is the only reason I post about it in here.

I do have great confidence in myself, because everyone I have ever known has said I'm exceptionally intelligent, skilled, and a fast learner, like very few people they had met in their lives. However, to prove one's quality they must be given the opportunity to do so, and that has never happened for me. In what small capacities I was able I excelled and it gained me little appreciation and much exploitation. I believe I have a realistic view of the world, and if you aren't privileged, success either takes foolish risks or a long road of hard work. I don't even have the resources to take the quick and risky road, so it will be slow.

I don't expect advice because I don't believe my perspective is very lacking. It's just an extremely difficult and disappointing reality. Aside from my father, who just made bad decisions, everyone in my entire family has been similarly fucked over in some way or another. It's like we're cursed or something, and I'm sure it doesn't help lighten the mood or give me a more hopeful view of how many people in the world can actually accomplish their dreams.
 
If I had channeled my intelligence into learning new languages or music theory instead of theology I would have an exceedingly useful skillet by now. Fuck religion. Held me back 15 years.
I've actually wondered if I'd be useful in one of those anti-religion/humanist/atheist asshole organizations, though I'm not that militant yet.
 
If I had channeled my intelligence into learning new languages or music theory instead of theology I would have an exceedingly useful skillet by now. Fuck religion. Held me back 15 years.
I've actually wondered if I'd be useful in one of those anti-religion/humanist/atheist asshole organizations, though I'm not that militant yet.

15 years is long time. What made you lose your love of theology? You can still be atheist and like theology, no?
 
Urgh, today has not been good. Been feeling so much better the last few months. I've been travelling Japan for 9 days now and have been having a wonderful time. I've noticed huge improvements in my sleeping and eating, and willingness to socialise even when I don't I don't feel like it. Today is my 21st birthday though and that seems to have all gone to shit. I had hoped to so something yesterday evening in Osaka but the hostel I stayed in was practically empty so I didn't meet anybody. Today I am staying in Hiroshima and I've had a nice afternoon, but now I find myself in my room having an anxiety attack. So frustrating, I thought I'd finally put this stuff behind me but here I am again. Feeling quite homesick but don't want to get in contact with my friends or family because I don't want to have to explain that my 21st has totally sucked :(
 
I suppose you can, but for me the appeal was in thinking it was real and using it to function as a minister. It bores the fuck out of me now.

but now I find myself in my room having an anxiety attack. So frustrating, I thought I'd finally put this stuff behind me but here I am again. Feeling quite homesick
Quite normal for many people when they leave home. I can't say I experienced it in the two times I left the country for extended periods to do humanitarian work, but I saw it plenty in others. I think there might be some evolutionary instincts to remain in your home territory with your loved ones. Stray too long and it may catch up with you. I wouldn't worry too much about this being old symptoms coming back, even if they are the same thing.
 
I suppose you can, but for me the appeal was in thinking it was real and using it to function as a minister. It bores the fuck out of me now..

Really? A subject you spent half a life on bores you now? I guess its possible. But to me, looking from a distance, you just sound angry at it. And that's okay. I guess. Whatever works for you.
 
Really? A subject you spent half a life on bores you now? I guess its possible. But to me, looking from a distance, you just sound angry at it. And that's okay. I guess. Whatever works for you.
I think my main criticism of modern theology is that it tends to focus on the Abrahamic schools of thought, using that as its sole foundation to justify pre-existing beliefs. Seems a tad ethnocentric.
 
I think my main criticism of modern theology is that it tends to focus on the Abrahamic schools of thought, using that as its sole foundation to justify pre-existing beliefs. Seems a tad ethnocentric.

I'm not sure I follow. Theology is Christian centric (Islamic theology is kalam, and nowhere near as mainstream/popular as Christian theology is), but fundamentally any academic discipline includes a diverse set of schools of thoughts it looks into. Thinking again, Jewish centric Theology too would be separate to the academic study of theology.

I think Hierology is possibly what you are looking for perhaps. Or religion studies per say.
 
Theology is as useful as studying theories on leprechaun pot-making methods or faerie dancing traditions, except it has this tendency to focus on what is most important to people, and in being directly opposed to reality, sends mankind in the opposite direction of where they should be going and ruins lives. I am angry at what it did to me, but that has nothing to do with how utterly worthless it is. The only value in knowing it is better knowing how to cure people of it.
 
And now it feels like I need to kill myself. The lows and the highs, multiple times a day. Lol.

This is a very serious problem and one that is extremely difficult to cope with on your own. Are you able to see a doctor? Bipolar disorder (if that's what it is, although I can't diagnose it obviously) is treatable and you really need to find a way to do that. Nobody deserves to feel the way you do.
 
Theology is as useful as studying theories on leprechaun pot-making methods or faerie dancing traditions, except it has this tendency to focus on what is most important to people, and in being directly opposed to reality, sends mankind in the opposite direction of where they should be going and ruins lives. I am angry at what it did to me, but that has nothing to do with how utterly worthless it is. The only value in knowing it is better knowing how to cure people of it.

Certainty is the mother of fools, eh?

On a separate point, I don't think any discipline is utterly worthless. Studying folklore is kinda awesome and a reward in of its self. Puts the fun back in learning! :P
*goes google searching for leprechaun pot-making methods *

I'm rethinking whether I think your anger is healthy. You can't maintain objectivity and be angry at the opposition's claims. Kind of a like a doctor performing surgery on their SO. It's not good practise for a reason.
 
There is no need to give a fair chance to fairytales. The complexity of pure, emotionally unspoiled objectivity is not necessary when the premise is so absurd and so far removed from standard and verifiable perception and experience. We have already debated in the AvT thread and I found you to be exceedingly "open-minded" to a fault. I have not the will to debate it and this is not the thread for it. That said, I only deconverted in March and came out/left the church in July. It's still fresh, so it may yet cool down.
 
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